Mig3 - the dark horse of the FM changes

[=IL2AU=chappyj]

Anyone else?

 

i feel like its a completely new aircraft. super stable now and excellent guns package for BOM era a2a

[Finkeren]

Really? I think it's one of the aircraft that have changed relatively little.

 

Maybe it has just become a bit more accessible? I have flown the MiG alot, and I don't see that much difference. On the other hand I haven't flown the La-5 very much, and that now feels much improved and IMHO is now the most potent VVS fighter below 2K - but people who have flown it a lot insist, that the performance hasn't changed, only the handling.

 

Maybe the FM changes have just made some of the planes easier for us n00bs?

[=IL2AU=chappyj]

that could be it. my last attempt at it involved me barely getting airborne

[Finkeren]

Take offs and landings have gotten simpler - no doubt about that. I've had tremendous problems, especially with the take off in the MiG. Now it's a breeze.

[Max_Damage]

It may be super stable. But keep in mind it is less so then lagg or yak. This plane naturally has low pitch stability. Not to a degree spitfire does but still it will wobble in pitch when doing sharp maneuvers.

[Guest deleted@30725]

Also sometimes I have this effect that I feel I am better in a plane and then I find the plane is the same, but perhaps some change in feeling or a short break or mental state, even some controller setting make the plane feel better and I am better. Sometimes I have this effect and the plane is the same! I think 'wow', I am so good with a plane now when I was bad.

 

Sometimes it's hard to tell. Like some days you can be really bad driver, other days a lot better. The car is the same, the road is the same, but you are different.

 

Perhaps this is it with the mig.

 

I have always found this plane fairly easy to use. But I think some changes made, made every plane feel a bit different without the plane being changed.

Edited September 6, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Finkeren]

Well, for this update at least we can say, that none of the planes are exactly the same apart from the Spitfire Everything else has changed in some way or another.

[indiaciki]

What I really don't get is that you have to adjust power with mixture?! Would somebody please explain? It doesn't make any sense to me.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Sort of. Until about 4500m I think you need to keep the mixture in the middle, using the throttle, leaning above that. Use the throttle normally. To enter boost mode, push both throttle and mixture to 100%.

[indiaciki]

Thanks. I still do not get the logic. 

[von-Luck]

Dunno if this is just an easy way to fly this or the most optimal but it works for me.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRyni_xGjpI

 

von Luck

[Guest deleted@30725]

Well, for this update at least we can say, that none of the planes are exactly the same apart from the Spitfire Everything else has changed in some way or another.

 

True. I feel like an expert in landings now. I don't remember being that good!

[sniperton]

The MiG is a sturdy and agile little beast now, it's quite stable even at lower speeds, and it doesn't fall out from the sky in tight turns either. I love it. Now you can fly it with less discipline and more intuition.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

The main thing I noticed is that it felt more stable in turns, and that it was waaayyy easier for me to take off. But, it has been a while since I flew the Mig so I may have just gotten better at the game. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've flown the MiG-3 quite a lot (I really like it) and I haven't actually put much time into it since the FM update. I really didn't think it was that different but... I'm going to have to fly it a bit and find out.

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

Anyone else?

 

i feel like its a completely new aircraft. super stable now and excellent guns package for BOM era a2a

This has been my ride of choice for some time now and agree with previous posts that this plane's changes have been less drastic especially as it already had the heavy stick in dives at speed.

 

It now feels and fly's heavier and this has helped it as a gun platform and most definitely in some maneuvres such as looping over and not getting stuck at the top.

 

The 12mm guns rips holes in everything, has a lot of ammo and should be your only choice when kitting it out.

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

What he said. ^

[Boaty-McBoatface]

 

 

The 12mm guns rips holes in everything, has a lot of ammo and should be your only choice when kitting it out.

 

Do you mean the internal nose mounted setup? The .50 cals are great but the additional external kit is just too heavy and draggy. 

Edited September 7, 2017 by temujin

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

Do you mean the internal nose mounted setup? The .50 cals are great but the additional external kit is just too heavy and draggy. 

 

Yes, only the 2x 12.7mm internal nose guns, and really it is all that you need.

 

With the 2x 12.7mm you can easily take out 111's with a single pass either by taking our the engine(s) or even pilot kills. The 2x 12.7mm have a fantastic habit of lighting up the twin engine planes a lot and a quick burst can easily take off the wing of any fighter.

 

It dives faster than most Russian planes and keeps the speed which is fantastic for running down the German planes.

 

 

The only time I pass on the Mig is when the Yak 1b is available.

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

Sort of. Until about 4500m I think you need to keep the mixture in the middle, using the throttle, leaning above that. Use the throttle normally. To enter boost mode, push both throttle and mixture to 100%.

I find it easier to set my fuel to 84% and fly and not have to worry about accidentaly engaging boost. Then when I need to go vrooooom vrooooom I use 100% fuel engage the boost mode which is good for 10 minutes.

[216th_Jordan]

I find it easier to set my fuel to 84% and fly and not have to worry about accidentaly engaging boost. Then when I need to go vrooooom vrooooom I use 100% fuel engage the boost mode which is good for 10 minutes.

Mixture at 50% is Auto Rich. This setting does not allow boost power that is why you can fly 100% throttle/rpm. When combat power is needed push the mixture lever to 100% (boost mode).

 

Its quite equal to the Il2 which also has Auto Rich on 50%.

Edited September 7, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[senseispcc]

The new patches have made the planes more realistic and near each other during taking off and landing.

The La-5 was and is a great plane to fly, the model in the game actually is still inferior to the German planes but it is still the first and second model wait for the FN and the La-7 to have really the finished plane.

And one major thing never to forget is this is only a simulation never the real world, one does not risk "his" live each time he takes off to do a mission or when he lands his plane that has been shot at during combat.

Real planes have their personality, in this "game" they do not.

Real plane can be tweaked by the pilots and the mechanics in this game they may not be.

I once again ask all to take this in consideration and also the fact that most of you are not pilots.

The world is not perfect why ask this game to be?!

The team that build over many years this simulation is great, formidable of resourcefulness and invention, i thanks them once more!   

[Cybermat47]

The 12mm guns rips holes in everything, has a lot of ammo and should be your only choice when kitting it out.

Me and my Bf-109 can confirm what Teddy says.

[216th_Jordan]

Me and my Bf-109 can confirm what Teddy says.

Don't underestimate the shvak. I love the UBS but the tracerless shvak is a real killer, best used in ambushes. Without the tracers you minimize your chances on being spotted and maximize you chance for a kill of unaware targets.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I'm old fashioned, unloading the ShKAS and UB combo from 100m or less does it for me

[TRRA15]

I'll say. I'm 8 for 8 taking off sucessfully. I could always land it w/o damage but now it's less of a white knuckle affair.

 

I agree with others too: The two 12.7 mm UBS guns are more than adequate for air-to-air work. It's my favorite loadout aspect.

[Finkeren]

I'm so looking forward to doing a BoM career with the MiG at the end of the year.

[Danziger]

I agree with Lucas. The 2x7.92 and single UBS are more than enough for me. The 7.92 has an outrageous rate of fire and a lot of pure ap ammo. It's great for hosing down an enemy and causing a lot of less apparent damage.

[Max_Damage]

Mig3 is a fast plane. In 1941 it is the fastest soviet plane. Still slower then a 109 by like 10 kmh though. It needed just a bit extra thrust. Too bad they didnt install low altitude - high altitude supercharger stages and the engine is not optimal at low alt. How useful is the mig's speed while its still slower then a 109 - this topic is open for debate. Well it can reach higher to try and catch a vertical 109.

Edited September 7, 2017 by Max_Damage

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

I agree with Lucas. The 2x7.92 and single UBS are more than enough for me. The 7.92 has an outrageous rate of fire and a lot of pure ap ammo. It's great for hosing down an enemy and causing a lot of less apparent damage.

The 7.92mm are next to useless at the best of time let alone against a 190. Taking the 7.92mm does not make much sense when you can take 2x 12.7mm which have incredible punching power and still have a bucket load of ammo.

 

I see no value in using a lot of ammo to make 'less apparent damage' when you can just nail him to the wall with the 2x 12.7mm.

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

Mig3 is a fast plane. In 1941 it is the fastest soviet plane. Still slower then a 109 by like 10 kmh though. It needed just a bit extra thrust. Too bad they didnt install low altitude - high altitude supercharger stages and the engine is not optimal at low alt. How useful is the mig's speed while its still slower then a 109 - this topic is open for debate. Well it can reach higher to try and catch a vertical 109.

 

It can dive at 750km making it difficult for the enemy to out dive and outrun you. I often chase down 109's and 190's as the Mig holds it speed well and can have the radiators closed up a lot by default adding to the available top speed.

 

I believe it to be one of the most under appreciated Russian aircraft due to the pre-patch take off difficulties making it a non-starter for 95% of the pilots out there.

[Finkeren]

The 7.92mm are next to useless at the best of time let alone against a 190. Taking the 7.92mm does not make much sense when you can take 2x 12.7mm which have incredible punching power and still have a bucket load of ammo.

 

I see no value in using a lot of ammo to make 'less apparent damage' when you can just nail him to the wall with the 2x 12.7mm.

From a purely "gaming" perspective you are right, but the 2xShKAS, 1xUBS was the standard armament and was carried by the large majority of MiGs and therefore it has value by itself.

 

Personally I find the two ShKAS much more effective than the four Brownings on the Spitfire. When you dish out 60 bullets per second in a tight grouping, your chance of nicking the oil tank or coolant is pretty high.

 

Also, the MiG was never designed to take on the Fw 190.

[=IL2AU=chappyj]

It can dive at 750km making it difficult for the enemy to out dive and outrun you. I often chase down 109's and 190's as the Mig holds it speed well and can have the radiators closed up a lot by default adding to the available top speed.

 

I believe it to be one of the most under appreciated Russian aircraft due to the pre-patch take off difficulties making it a non-starter for 95% of the pilots out there.

Spot on. Simply because it was fidgety it never really got a chance to shine for most people

I think it will have some good times in the sun now and we'll see more of them flying in no

I've been loving it in taw

[Boaty-McBoatface]

It can dive at 750km making it difficult for the enemy to out dive and outrun you. I often chase down 109's and 190's as the Mig holds it speed well and can have the radiators closed up a lot by default adding to the available top speed.

 

I believe it to be one of the most under appreciated Russian aircraft due to the pre-patch take off difficulties making it a non-starter for 95% of the pilots out there.

 

Good point but it still remains that high speed controls are too heavy and the wing-loading is quite high. Add to that quite a viscous stall and I think it's quite apparent that it's not on par with the Yaks and La5.

[Plesski]

Mig-3 is my 13 years old son favourite plane. He just starts his adventure with aviation and I must say I'm quite proud of his choice .

 

And yes, there is a quite big difference in Mig's FM. A least for me who never actually really liked this plane. It was always too treacherous.

 

P.

[Max_Damage]

Spot on. Simply because it was fidgety it never really got a chance to shine for most people

I think it will have some good times in the sun now and we'll see more of them flying in no

I've been loving it in taw

There s no life in trying to match 109 in flight characteristics because you wont and you will only get shot down in return. 109 dives faster, flies faster, accelerates, climbs and turns faster. I would prefer a 23 mm lagg or 6x12.7 p40 most of the time.

Edited September 8, 2017 by Max_Damage

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

You can't runaway from 109 in mig3 if he is stubborn. But shooting less maneuverable at high speed 109 (after FM patch, not compared to Mig3) results in more successful attacks. But mostly I like hunt for enemy attack or bomber planes in Mig3. I was able to take off and land in previous FM but now it's night and day difference. Thanks to new patch there is more variety in the sky which I personally like a lot.

[ATA_Vasilij]

Mig 3 is my heart-favourite plane since I play simulators. Before the patch it was unplayable plane, but something really hard to learn. I said to myself, if you can learn with this beast, then you will be the profi pilot. But it was too much unusable. I didnt learn. 

Now everything is much easier. Mainly the take off and landing procedures. Maybe here comes the time to take this beast again and fly with it.

 

Lets take off the mig3!

[Danziger]

The 7.92mm are next to useless at the best of time let alone against a 190. Taking the 7.92mm does not make much sense when you can take 2x 12.7mm which have incredible punching power and still have a bucket load of ammo.

 

I see no value in using a lot of ammo to make 'less apparent damage' when you can just nail him to the wall with the 2x 12.7mm.

I never said it makes sense or is more effective but it is fun. It is quite effective enough to bring down anything flying. It may not be a wing-ripping single shot exploding instakiller but those small AP rounds can cause a lot of damage that isn't immediately apparent and builds over time.

[303_Kwiatek]

Still out Mig3 is too fast about 20-25 kph at the deck comparing to RL thing

Edited September 8, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek