Infantry Formations?

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Are there any infantry formations in-game that we can Brrt Brrt with our new HS-129?

[Gambit21]

Are there any infantry formations in-game that we can Brrt Brrt with our new HS-129?

Vehicle columns and tanks don't do it for you?

The answer is no I'm happy to say.

[Cybermat47]

Not yet. We can probably expect to see a mod for them, if mods are enabled, like in RoF.

 

It is strange that a game that revolves around the ground war lacks infantry, when they're the backbone of any army (or maybe I'm just biased due to my brother being at the SoI).

[unreasonable]

I think there should be, and horse drawn wagons and gun limbers as well similar to RoF's mod - this was after all what 90% of the German Army looked like, and shredding horse drawn units was what the IL-2 really did most of the time.  Better in the core game than as a mod, if only because the Career mode might not be able to use mods when it selects ground objects in mission generation. RoF's cannot. 

 

There could be an option to turn them on/off for the sensitive types!  

 

Since developer resource scarcity etc we will almost certainly not see this any time soon: actually I doubt if Mods on will get done this decade, if at all. but hope springs eternal. 

[Max_Damage]

Must have. Best done using sprites to make it less demanding.

[Finkeren]

I would settle for trenches and foxholes as placable objects that can be destroyed and maybe has a single lmg to defend itself.

 

You could but 10-15 static soldiers in each trench as part of the object, same as with the gun implacements, and have them run and scatter when the trench is supressed.

 

Should be no more of a performance hit than the average gun or AAA.

[Max_Damage]

There are a LOT of dedicated frag cluster bombs whcih can be added to the game exactly for this purpose.

[InProgress]

 

 

There could be an option to turn them on/off for the sensitive types!

So shooting at infantry that is using static mg would be ok but infantry with rifles would be brutal?

 

I wish there was infantry, kind of sad to fly over stalingrad and not a single sould in that city. Would be nice to have some infantry in stalingrad and some trench with them every 1km or 2 on front line.

They don't even need to run or anything, but sitting in a hole and pretending to shoot would be nice.

 

 

I remember infantry in battlestation pacific, that was big wow in 2009 where i saw boats with infantry and when they got to the beach they could start running. You could even shoot at them   It made that game more immersive. Watching empty boats moving to the beach and then stay there would be disappointing.

[Multimetal]

I would love to see infantry added!  IL2 was designed, after all, as close air support to aid the infantry.  Your main job as an IL2 pilot should be aiding the troops on the ground, think of how fun it would be to stop an enemy attack on your lines or help your guys break through the enemy lines to take a village or city.  It's important to not gloss over the historical reality of what really happened, and you can't forget that even though dogfighting is fun your main purpose is still to kill the enemy and destroy his aircraft, these beautiful planes that we all love were first and foremost designed as killing machines.  I remember reading a translated interview with an IL2 pilot years ago, the quote from that interview that stuck with me was "our hands are stained with blood to the elbows."  

 

All this is a long-winded way of saying, yes having infantry formations in-game is a great idea!

[Guest deleted@30725]

We all remember than when we shoot infantry in our planes of pixels and light that we turning off pixels that look like people who are not real, have no soul and never existed as a real thing. We therefore know that shooting people in a game is not the same as shooting real people in the real world and that we are not all suddenly going to turn into psychotic lunatics.

 

I would love to see the map alive as a whole. It would be awesome to have battles raging in Stalingrad as I flew over, but this is possibly a limitation of the hardware we have.

[Gambit21]

I'd be all for static vehicles with soldiers around them etc. I personally don't need nor do I think we'll ever see I infantry columns and the like.

[Jade_Monkey]

It would be a great little community made project.

Some static infantry units in a trench, we can sprinkle some of the current MG models around them to make them look alike.

 

Hopefully something like this can happen in the future when mods are possible.

[Thad]

Infantry formations will not work in a flight simulation unless they have chutes.

[NETSCAPE]

I second the notion of foxholes, trench-lines and various sorts of fortifications. These shouldn't have too much impact on performance. But infantry, depending on how they're implemented, might impact performance quite a bit...

[OrLoK]

Id like to see more low res infantry/wildlife etc.

 

Ill not hold my breath though!

[Gambit21]

What Netscape said.

[Sokol1]

Mig Alley has some "sprints" as NK infantry formations... that can be burned with Napalm. 

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Oh, yeah, I remember that. They would even run around on fire!

[Rjel]

I think this team has shown that what seems unlikely or maybe even impossible can become a reality. This sim, like every sim I've ever played, is a very sterile environment. I understand the whys of it, but it doesn't simulate the real world very well. Hopefully someday it will better reflect the reality that ground forces outnumbered the pilots and aircrew of the world by the tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands? Not the other way around the way the flight sim world portrays it. I know from altitude we would never see ground troops. Even at low level, we likely wouldn't. Watching real world guncam, rarely do I see anyone on the ground. But random column of troops or vehicle traffic tossed in now and then when it isn't the main objective in a mission, would really make this sim seem alive. I'm certain someday that might become the "reality".

 

Before anybody jumps on my statements, I am not asking or demanding it, I'm just speculating how much a living world would add to this sim. I don't want to incur anyone's wrath for thinking outside the box here.

[ZnarF]

Totaly agree with you, Rjel. We never really had infantry on ground in our beloved sims for decades, mainly because it was not easily possible. But Stalingrad battle = +-1 500 000 soldiers, without even civilians. That's a part of the reality we aim in an accurate simulation. That will come for sure one day. Besides that, flying in a more lively environnement (horses and cows, peoples cultivating the fields depending on seasons, road traffic....) would be interresting too.

Edited September 6, 2017 by ZnarF

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I remember strafing enemy infantry assaulting our lines in no mans land back on Red Baron 2.

 

The only game I can remember now having moving infantry as a main feature.

 

Best campaign system ever by the way 

 

[unreasonable]

I second the notion of foxholes, trench-lines and various sorts of fortifications. These shouldn't have too much impact on performance. But infantry, depending on how they're implemented, might impact performance quite a bit...

 

Sprites.  Zooming past in an aircraft you will never notice the difference.

 

edit - is that what Sokol means? There was a flight sim long ago set in the Ardennes, with sprites for deer as well....forgotten what it was called. Jane's something or other.

Edited September 7, 2017 by unreasonable

[NETSCAPE]

I've always wanted to drop a SC2500 on a deer. 

[InProgress]

 

 

We never really had infantry on ground in our beloved sims for decades,

 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

How about Brrrrrting through Tents as well? There is nothing quite like killing men Resting away from the Sun. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Werhmachtskarren

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just for the Pacific: A Type 99 Rifle with AA Sights. 

 

Mad Max Russia 1943?

 

[PatrickAWlson]

RoF works well with infantry.  Adds a lot to ground battles.  As a pilot I can strafe them, but they are also fighting it out amongst themselves along with all of the other units.

[InProgress]

Not sure if this is sarcasm or something.. you can shoot at tents in RoF is you want, or bunkiers in BoS, you know, 3d soldiers are resting there too, maybe writing letters home and we can bomb them. Same with civilian houses, guess next dlc will be Nuremberg trials for all these who shot at 3d tents in game.

 

I don't understand crying about stuff you can do in games, you kill 3d people, how is that any different if he is in tent or car or unarmed ju52 red corss that no one see the problem shooting down in multi.

 

Adding something that would add more options for attacker pilots and add more immersion to the game to make it look more alive is always good.

Edited September 8, 2017 by InProgress

[Uufflakke]

Not sure if this is sarcasm or something..

 

Sarcasm or not but it might trigger others and before you know it the topic derails. Just like mentioning Shooting at Parachutes, Swastika's, Blood&Gore. In whatever topic.

 

But back again on the subject of infantry formations. The next stage is Pacific. Which means US soldiers. Since historical accuracy is of importance in this game it would be good to add - for instance- dark skinned soldiers.

Be it with Latin American roots or African roots. During WWII more than a million Afro Americans served in the U.S. Army.

So in case infantry gots added, or populated landing crafts, to the PTO this would be an option.

Recently I read that Jason really wants to have female pilots in game ( I think he wrote that in relation to the Po-2 plane). In case it will happen so why not adding other infantry?

At least it adds something what other games don't have or never had.

 

I don't mention it for political correctness or anything alike but for the sake of historical matters.

Edited September 8, 2017 by Uufflakke

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

A system with two textures for each human model could work - male and female for the Soviets, light and tanned skins for Americans (which is a lazy but effective way to cover the white European population, the Hispanic and African descendants and also darker skinned Europeans and so on), etc.

[CanadaOne]

Whatever moral salvation one thinks is acquired by virtually killing only the right kind of people in the right kind of way in this sim, well, it's simply ridiculous.

[Rjel]

Whether it's ethical to shoot at troops on the ground is kind of a mute point in this sim already isn't it? After all, we can strafe convoys and staff cars. Unless those are self driving 1940s versions of Uber vehicles, one would assume we are shooting at more or less defenseless ground troops now. Having infantry targets isn't any different.

[Danziger]

I'm pretty sure there are troops inside those tanks, ships, and planes as well...

[unreasonable]

<snip>

 

In case it will happen so why not adding other infantry?

At least it adds something what other games don't have or never had.

 

 

Swedish pikemen, Cossacks, Le Grande Armée .....

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Vehicle columns and tanks don't do it for you?

The answer is no I'm happy to say.

Gambit, why are you happy about that?

[Gambit21]

Gambit, why are you happy about that?

An answer will just get me mired in a conversation that I don't have time for.

Honesty I can see both sides, but I think a few troops associated with vehicles and other equipment etc like we have now, with more options is plausible in all respects.

[Guest deleted@30725]

Today I mostly murdered a lot of innocent 3d objects using other 3d objects. I watched a war film the other day where a lot of people were murdered. The weird thing was... ...I think I saw ghosts because I saw these same people in different clothes on youtube not being dead at all. I think there is something going on.... ...'Films are not real' - Since when... ...so the people were actors? Not real bullets? They just got up and wiped away fake blood...? It was set in a studio in a sound stage? They weren't even in those woods?! I... I've got to tell someone. EVERYONE, films are NOT REAL! THE PEOPLE ARE A-C-T-O-R-S. 'shut up, this is a normal thing, everyone knows this you idiot!' Well no one told me... humpf... So.. are video games real. 'You're asking... tell me you're not asking'

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Rjel]

BFBunny are you channeling your inner Raaaid again???

[Guest deleted@30725]

BFBunny are you channeling your inner Raaaid again???

 

Just making fun of this topic in my own strange way

Edited September 9, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Gambit21]

Just making fun of this topic in my own strange way

 

It's well deserved.

[Cybermat47]

How about Brrrrrting through Tents as well? There is nothing quite like killing men Resting away from the Sun. 

 

We can do that in RoF already. Plus, in IL-2, we can bomb towns and cities that presumably have men, women, and children in them, and sink ships evacuating civilians out of Stalingrad. We can also destroy trucks and planes full of resting men.

 

BUT... none of it is actually real! It's just a video game!