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#121 I./ZG1_Panzerbar

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 13:52

So... did G-6s start getting 30mm motorkanone during the time period of BoK? :biggrin:

From late autumn 1943...


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#122 Jason_Williams

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 13:54

Let me be clear.

 

Po-2 is an experiemnt.

 

Li-2 is a wish and only if Po-2 gets made.

 

La-5FN is planned, but not started.

 

G-6 is planned, but not started.

 

We are way behind schedule on some important Kuban stuff including planes so take all that with a grain of salt. I thought Han had already mentioned the FN and G-6 as possible. My mistake.

 

If comments get out of hand I'll lock this thread. Be cautiously optimistic, but don't get carried away please. We're under enough pressure already.

 

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#123 =ARTOA=Bombenleger

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:00

man this sim keeps getting better exponentially!


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#124 216th_Lucas_From_Hell

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:04

Jason, as things are we didn't have a clue these developments were even a possibility! If the first one comes in two years it would still be a pleasant surprise and, at least to the naked eye, a sign that things are looking up :)
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#125 kestrel79

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:05

I would for sure buy a po-2. Think it would be fun to play as a spotter and add another element of gameplay in the mix.

 

I have been known to fly it in Warthunder online...those 2x25lb bombs it can carry pack a punch :)


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:06

I'm sure you have the confidence of the community, I think everyone is aware of the work that the team puts in (especially after this patch) and are understanding of any changes to the tentative schedule.

Being kept in the loop like this can only be good for relations between the team and community. It's certainly better than the silence that typifies some other developers and we're very grateful for it!

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#127 I./ZG1_Panzerbar

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:19

The Po-2 offers a chance to create Arty Spotting like we had in ROF and throw sneaky night raids into the mix (I really want a Soviet woman pilot model too) and the plane is not difficult to research (there is one in a nearby museum) and build for the team building it.

Jason

 

The main problem for Po-2 as Artillery spotter that it was not used as a Arty Spotter simply because of lack of Radio onboard.

Only in early 1944, appeared U-2 NAK (Night Artillery Spotter), with RSI-4 Radiostation, firedampfers, ultraviolet lights for crew and another equipment. Tested in late spring and early summer 1944, and went on large serial production as a Night Artillery Spotter from late summer 1944.

 

During Early period of War, VVS used R-5 biplane, Su-2 and obsolete fighters like I-16 as an artillery spotters. From middle 1943, main artillery spotter of VVS was Il-2 KR.


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#128 =FEW=Hauggy

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 14:50

Well if that works out as well as we hope it's going to my dear Jason don't forget to add a I-153 Chaika (Seagull) to the list please ! :salute:


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:03

The main problem for Po-2 as Artillery spotter that it was not used as a Arty Spotter simply because of lack of Radio onboard.
Only in early 1944, appeared U-2 NAK (Night Artillery Spotter), with RSI-4 Radiostation, firedampfers, ultraviolet lights for crew and another equipment. Tested in late spring and early summer 1944, and went on large serial production as a Night Artillery Spotter from late summer 1944.
 
During Early period of War, VVS used R-5 biplane, Su-2 and obsolete fighters like I-16 as an artillery spotters. From middle 1943, main artillery spotter of VVS was Il-2 KR.


Then just use it to bomb stuff and use another plane. I don't care.

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#130 I./ZG1_Panzerbar

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:10

Then just use it to bomb stuff and use another plane. I don't care.

Jason

But on the other side, many U-2's were "customised" with 4 x RS-82 and a front-firing fixed PV-1 7,62 mashunegun, PV-1 on turret and and up to 150 kg of bombs for usage as night assault aircraft :) This modification was widely used in 1942-43.

 

P.S.  Ил-2 КР (IL-2 KR - for korrektirovschik - Artillery spotter) was in the mass series production from late march 1943, and on late april over 50 aircrafts were on the frontline trials. In early summer 1943 it was already in wide use as a main artillery spotter of VVS. Could an equipment for Art.Spotting be added to Il-2 mod.1943 as a modification?

-RSB-3bis radiostation instead of RSI-4.

-smaller fuel tank to save place for RSB-3bis

-Relocated radiomast.

-On some aircrafts - camera AFA-I or AFA-IM.

 

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#131 [CPT]Pike*HarryM

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:15

This plane kept my Dad awake during the Korean War ("Bedcheck Charlie").


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#132 Brano

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:21

Im cautiously optimistic with todays evening drinking party. Eight beers and no tequila....ok,maybe one,max two :D
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#133 xvii-Dietrich

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:26

I note the point that these aircraft are all plans and experiments and may never come to pass.

 

However, more importantly is the fact that 1C/777 are prepared to consider a "diverse plane-set" and not just "the best fighters". A diversity of types, performance and roles is important to the richness of the missions and the variety of the game play. The fact that they are considering the Po-2 is a great thing.

 

:cool:

 

 

 

 

PS: Although, with that said, I would like to say that either the U-2M or U-2P variants would be my Po-2 of choice!  :-)


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:28

This looks so promising! Can't belief that these 4 ACs are probably going to happen if all goes well.
As always I'll buy everything. Ever did so since RoF. Every AC with its field and weapon mods. Also giftet lots of RoF AC and IL2 collector planes to a friend of mine. :)
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:29

Part of interveiw with Po-2 pilot, Hero of Soviet Union:

 

Sorry, in russian, but I hope browser can translate it. Impressive story. More - here.

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:35

I guess this is an instance where MoSCoW project implementation really is relevant! :P
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 15:53

More planes!
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 16:55

Hey Jason, Remember during the first TS event you mentioned you had some different collector planes in mind for after the Kuban release? At the time you didn't want to say what they were (only that all the G6 clamor made you re-consider your plans). Now since we are on the subject again, could you share what you had in mind from the beginning? I am very curious (and cautious and optimistic) about this subject, but whatever path you decide to take, I will be there to support it (for what that is worth).


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#139 coconut

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 16:59

Excuse my ignorance, but would the Po2 play a similar role as the Ju52, i.e. cargo and paratrooper drops? I have included the Ju52 in my multiplayer campaign (cargo shipments and paratrooper drops), and this causes an asymmetry as Russians lack a plane to fulfil the same role.


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#140 6./ZG26_Asgar

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:06

no Coconut, that would be the Li-2. the Po-2 is a bi-plane (ground attack?) aircraft. very slow, i think top speed is around 110km/h and somewhat "simple" compared to other planes of the time. 


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:07

I'm sure it could carry a sack of potatoes or 2. You could drop them on the enemy when you ran out of bombs.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:09

It shared some roles like medevac and transport of small cargo. While it could not drop paratroopers, its diminutive dimensions and short landing and take-off runs made it perfect to support partisan operations.
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#143 InProgress

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:14

3 new RUSSIAN and 1 german :/ guys, po2 must be best seller :P so storch will also be made :biggrin:

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#144 6./ZG26_Asgar

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:16

i'd prefer the FW 189, at least it can defend itself


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:16

Let me be clear.

 

Po-2 is an experiemnt.

 

Li-2 is a wish and only if Po-2 gets made.

 

La-5FN is planned, but not started.

 

G-6 is planned, but not started.

 

We are way behind schedule on some important Kuban stuff including planes so take all that with a grain of salt. I thought Han had already mentioned the FN and G-6 as possible. My mistake.

 

If comments get out of hand I'll lock this thread. Be cautiously optimistic, but don't get carried away please. We're under enough pressure already.

 

Jason

 

See! I knew we had to keep him talking.  :happy:  Great news Jason, and thanks for the clarification.

Cheers.


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#146 InProgress

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:22

i'd prefer the FW 189, at least it can defend itself

800+ made vs almost 3000 of storch. And it would be more fair to have po2 and storch than fw189. While more = better :P i think it would be easier, cheaper and better to add storch, at least first.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:22

Ah well, I'm sure I'll find a way to include it. Partisan operations sounds good. Sneak in into enemy territory and deliver explosives to disrupt production.


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#148 Juri_JS

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:23

Take a look at the latest version of Il-2 1946 to see what the Po-2/U-2 is capable of and what possible modification options could be added (medivac, dropable cargo containers, SAB illumination/marker bombs, parachutist, rockets and all kinds of smaller bombs).


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#149 InProgress

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:24

Ah well, I'm sure I'll find a way to include it. Partisan operations sounds good. Sneak in into enemy territory and deliver explosives to disrupt production.

i think you can use russian bomber as transport, at least that's how on WoL they did, there is he111 transport version.


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#150 Jason_Williams

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:28

Hey Jason, Remember during the first TS event you mentioned you had some different collector planes in mind for after the Kuban release? At the time you didn't want to say what they were (only that all the G6 clamor made you re-consider your plans). Now since we are on the subject again, could you share what you had in mind from the beginning? I am very curious (and cautious and optimistic) about this subject, but whatever path you decide to take, I will be there to support it (for what that is worth).

 

Nothing has really changed all that much. I've wanted all these planes. The Storch is cool, but no weapons at all. The Fw-189 at least had some weapons. That's my concern about these two. But we're way far away on that choice assuming we can get there.

 

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:43

Not sure how the German side saw them but the Soviets had the utmost respect and hatred for the Fw-189. It could carry bombs, its visibility and crew arrangement made it perfect for recon, spotting and ground attack, the defensive armament covered an insane field of fire, the very thin frame made it very hard to hit, it manoeuvred extremely well for its size and on top of that it usually roamed with decent fighter escort.

Intercepting those was as hard as Dastardly and Mutley catching that pigeon.
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 17:51

Nothing has really changed all that much. I've wanted all these planes. The Storch is cool, but no weapons at all. The Fw-189 at least had some weapons. That's my concern about these two. But we're way far away on that choice assuming we can get there.

 

Jason

Jason. If we will search a Luftwaffe counterpart for U-2, the best choice would be Hs126, or a "crutch", as soviet soldiers call it. It was very popular aircraft among german ground troops, and well hated by soviet troops and soviet fighter pilots. It was slow, but maneuvrable hight-wing monoplane with defensive mashinegun, armour protection of crew, and was very hard to shot down for soviet fighters. It was in production till Jan.1941, and flew as a dedicated artillery spotter/close-range recoonner untill late 1942 (on 1st September 1942, close-range recoon Gruppen had 105 Hs126 on strengh), when it was gradually turned to night-reconnaisance duties, wich it soldiered untill the end of war with 2./NSGr.7.

 

As U-2, Hs126B-1 had also very short takeoff/landing run, and great handling in the air, very easy and pleasant to fly. It had forward firing and rear defensive MG, and up to 150 kg of bombs. Most known operation of this crutch was Otto Scorzeny's "Mussolini resquing raid".


3 new russians and 1 german :/ guys, po2 must be best seller :P so storch will also be made :biggrin:

 

We dont call Bf109 a "bavarian" aircraft, so correct name for planes like Il-2 or Po-2 would be "soviet", but not "russian" :)


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:03

As U-2, Hs126B-1 had also very short takeoff/landing run

Here, the most recent demonstration of the "very short landing run" of a Storch, happened a month ago. Fullstop in like 15 m.

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Poor A-99 had an original Argus engine, unlike its sibling A-97. :(

 

That happens if pilots who fly Ju-52 all the time fly a Storch... Or if you have a VIP passenger and a whole crowd watching. There's nothing I'd hate more than improvised show-flying.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:05

I keep my fingers crossed to see some day IAR-80 / IAR-81c. And it has weapons ! 


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:07

i think you can use russian bomber as transport, at least that's how on WoL they did, there is he111 transport version.

 

For that I would need a cargo loadout. And I don't think it could drop paratroopers. But I might do it anyway in the mean time.


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#156 216th_LuseKofte

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:12

We're under enough pressure already.

 

This is not pressure, I am happy you considering making the PO 2 , that is enough for me atm  


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#157 Royal_Flight

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:33

Ok, here is a question.
We have a server with Battle of Moskow map, but had to place a LaGG-3 from late 1942 as a default fighter in late 1941 planeset. Also, we had to place a Ju87D-3 (mid-1942 aircraft) into 1941 conditions.
We have a Battle of Stalingrad map, and we had to place a Bf110E-2 (1940 aircraft, wich is too "old" for late 1942 timeframe) because we have no Bf110F-2.

And I can continue this list of "planeset problems".


This thread is moving so fast I feel like I'm being left behind.
I'll reply to this by spinning your problems back to you.

If I want to fly a proper VVS level bomber, what options are available?
If I want to fly a night harassment mission over the Kuban bridgehead in 1943, what a/c can I take?
If I'm keen to fly cargo runs for VVS, what is suitable?

And in case it seems like I'm being one-sided...
if I want to try liaison or tactical reconnaissance or arty spotting for Luftwaffe, what is there that suits?

I don't want to sound too dismissive of your concerns, but we have an I-16 and P-40 for BoM-appropriate fighters, and Bf110E that suits 1941. Not the same as the Stuka, but not much different from needing to use a Peshka in place of an SB-2.
And on the subject of the 110, you have a 110G so that is closer to the F than the E.

I know suggesting you use your imagination doesn't sound quite right for a simulator that aspires to realism, but if you want to fly a fighter, dive-bomber or ground attacker across most of the time periods covered you're already well catered-to.
If I want to try something different that we have available then my choices are either use much more imagination than you'd need to, or stop playing altogether and go back to '46. Which isn't good for the community, the users, the future of the sim or for me.

I'm not taking aim at you personally, but in a lineup that has five 109s and two 190s, and zero Storches, or two Peshkas and three Il-2s and no Po-2s, I know what I think we're missing more urgently.
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#158 Jade_Monkey

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:45

I'm sure it could carry a sack of potatoes or 2. You could drop them on the enemy when you ran out of bombs.


Killing them with carohydrates, i see...
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#159 BorysVorobyov

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 18:46

I came into this thinking it's just another wish list. Really surprised and happy to read Jason's input. Even though it's just in planning stages I'm sure it's enough to get some attention of potential customers. It's all very exciting :)
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Posted 31 August 2017 - 19:25

Part of interveiw with Po-2 pilot, Hero of Soviet Union:

 

Sorry, in russian, but I hope browser can translate it. Impressive story. More - here.

Spoiler

 

I translated that bit for anyone that wants to read it without a machine translation; They tend to be messy. I got it as best I could but some parts are still fuzzy. It is a really cool story.

 

Spoiler


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