InProgress Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Storch was there too, it was often used by officers to fly somewhere fast, there was even famous thing when (dont remember name) took documents with him and was shot down, russians took them and hitler was really angry about it. These were plans of some offensive but stalin thought it's fake and did not do anything about it. I think these were plans about fall blau. Idk about recon, but it was flying taxi for sure
JG4_dingsda Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 While more = better μετάβασις εἰς ἄλλο γένος The real reason is because Storch.
Fabioccio Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) Just an idea... why not add this toy-plane for free? Like RoF's Spad13 and AlbD5. Thisway beginners who want to invest in the sim, but are unsure (of their rig), can download and play quick mission on velike-luki or lapino, test the flight model realism and the gorgeous graphics! They could even dare entering an MP server to see how are the other maps, meet the community, feed the vets. Finally after being shot down a lot with impunity, they could either end up fleeing away in like cry-babies or go to the store and buy some pack or some plane to get their vendetta! Just an idea... Edited August 31, 2017 by kampf_bos
707shap_Srbin Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (Not sure what Song or Bone mean in this context, likely larger bombers or a different bomber regiment equipped with such.) Looks like Petya or Kostya (short variants of Petr or Konstantin). (I’m not sure what BKZ stands for exactly. It seems to be some kind of registry or clerk in charge of unit record keeping.) BKZ is an abbreviation of Order of Boevoye Krasnoye Znamya - Order of Military Red Banner. Bushueva has 600 sorties. Ogloblina has 650. Its family names - Bushuev and Ogloblin. (I can’t make sense of the last part of this quote.) It mean - Shut up, we are commanders and we will decide who to award or not. “He was sent to Stalingrad. He fought in Stalingrad [front].
=FEW=Hauggy Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) Thanks a lot to both of you for translating this I'm very keen on knowing more about the Soviet pilots and their fascinating wartime stories. Unfortunately we don't get as much of these stories in the west as you might expect. Edited August 31, 2017 by =FEW=Hauggy
Yogiflight Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Most known operation of this crutch was Otto Scorzeny's "Mussolini resquing raid". This was done by a Fieseler Storch.
707shap_Srbin Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Hauggy - on this webpage, many interveiws are translated into english. There are plenty of Po-2 pilots interveiws. This was done by a Fieseler Storch. I just have this, sorry if I am wrong. On 12 September 1943 Henschel 126s were used to tow 10 DFS 230 attack gliders from Pratica Di Mare airfield near Rome to the Gran Sasso on a raid to rescue Benito Mussolini.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Hauggy, look for books by Egorova (U-2, Il-2), Emelianenko (Il-2) and Mariinsky (P-39). They're widely available in English. If you read Spanish, rkka.es have translated books and articles by or about many pilots including Pokryshkin (MiG-3, Yak-1, P-39), Safonov (I-16, Hurricane, P-40) and Kozhedub (La-5, La-7). Then you have lots of information in French about the Normandie pilots obviously
JG4_dingsda Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 This was done by a Fieseler Storch. You are right.
MeoW.Scharfi Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 G-6 is planned, but not started. Nice news! Thank you very much!
-SF-Disarray Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Looks like Petya or Kostya (short variants of Petr or Konstantin). BKZ is an abbreviation of Order of Boevoye Krasnoye Znamya - Order of Military Red Banner. Its family names - Bushuev and Ogloblin. It mean - Shut up, we are commanders and we will decide who to award or not. He fought in Stalingrad [front]. Thanks for the corrections. I mostly worked with technical documents and more formal Russian language stuff; the colloquial Russian and abbreviations throw me a bit some times.
Yogiflight Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Quote On 12 September 1943 Henschel 126s were used to tow 10 DFS 230 attack gliders from Pratica Di Mare airfield near Rome to the Gran Sasso on a raid to rescue Benito Mussolini. OK, found that now, too, in american Wikipedia. I don't think I ever read before, what aircrafts had towed the DFS 230s, but I remembered, that it was a Storch that brought Mussolini out of there, and Scorzeny jammed himself in, too.
Gambit21 Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 I was largely ignorant regarding the FW-189. I'd call that a worthy Storch alternative.
Yogiflight Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 I am absolutely for the FW189. Turning with that flying glasshouse through the mountains would be absolutely awesome. 1
Medicated Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Yeah the FW-189 would be great for loitering through the mountains, it would look quite nice. Plus if the devs come up with ideas to incorporate these birds in gameplay (single and multiplayer) like calling in arty or various other ideas, that would be great! 2
HippyDruid Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 What I like about this forum is that whenever a new plane is planned/released, there is (without fail) a great bunch of historical reading materials posted. I don't know as much about WWII aviation history as the majority seem to know -but it interests me greatly- and these posts are always appreciated. As for the plane in question, well, more is good right? Especially if it brings in the possibility of new game play mechanics. 1
csThor Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Much more important than debating certain types I find their integration into the game mechanics. For example the Ju 52 has proven that the dev team can produce solutions that can work both for Single- and Multiplayer. For a Po-2 - whose roles were primarily that of flight training, partisan supply and of course night harrassment - it can be done within the current gameplay mechanics (even though IMO only for single Player - given that night fighter ops on the Eastern Front remained an exception to the rule). That is, however, not necessarily the case for a dedicated recon aircraft like the Fw 189 (or the dedicated recon versions Bf 110 E-3, Bf 110 G-3 or Ju 88 D). There is no realistic gameplay mechanic for such things either in MP nor in SP. So, my 20 Cents would be that an aircraft that isn't of the "Take-Off, Furball, Die, Repeat" faction does need a bit of help from the dev team in the gameplay department and that means more workload for a small team. And as Jason said just recently they're already behind on important stuff for Battle of Kuban. So maybe we ought to throttle back the excitement a bit and let these guys take a breath. Edited September 1, 2017 by csThor
Finkeren Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 So, my 20 Cents would be that an aircraft that isn't of the "Take-Off, Furball, Die, Repeat" faction does need a bit of help from the dev team in the gameplay department and that means more workload for a small team. And as Jason said just recently they're already behind on important stuff for Battle of Kuban. So maybe we ought to throttle back the excitement a bit and let these guys take a breath. Agree completely. Fortunately it looks like they are prioritizing recon missions similar to what we got in RoF, so they are definitely not blind to this. And as much as I am excited about this news, I absolutely understand, that they need peace and quiet to get BoK out the door nice and polished. Take your time team, and don't mistake excitement for impatience. It's nice to have things to look forward to and we all understand, that it will be many months before we see any of this.
Mesha44 Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Just an idea... why not add this toy-plane for free? Like RoF's Spad13 and AlbD5. Thisway beginners who want to invest in the sim, but are unsure (of their rig), can download and play quick mission on velike-luki or lapino, test the flight model realism and the gorgeous graphics! They could even dare entering an MP server to see how are the other maps, meet the community, feed the vets. Finally after being shot down a lot with impunity, they could either end up fleeing away in like cry-babies or go to the store and buy some pack or some plane to get their vendetta! Just an idea... I agree whole heartedly with this. Not having a proper trainer was one of the things that made getting into this game hard for me in the beginning. I also like very much the direction that Jason is taking by bringing in a contractor to do some work his team does not have the time for. I look forward to getting the Po-2, and hopefully the Li-2.
Danziger Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I also like very much the direction that Jason is taking by bringing in a contractor to do some work his team does not have the time for. I look forward to getting the Po-2, and hopefully the Li-2. This. I know everyone is excited about the potential planes but this 3rd party experiment is most exciting for me. If it works out it could mean a more steady flow of filling out planes and vehicle content while the development team can focus elsewhere. Perhaps even some plane set expansion packs in the future as separate DLC. 1
Luftschiff Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Oh what a dream come true if we would some day get the Fw-189. Iconic eastern front plane, beautiful and strange design, recon AND bombing capability. Don't get me wrong I like the Storch as much as the next guy, but the Fw-189 is love. That canopy in VR would be astounding. 1
SCG_Hobo Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 The plans are very exciting. Thanks for all your dedication and enthusiasm. It is really a joy in my life to be part of the community. Fi156 Storch - Although weaponless, with the right missions, it's fine. People often fly transport missions online - never firing a shot. Also the gaming community has a lot of "stealth" aspects to it now, perhaps the Fi156 could play it up.
Habu Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Thank you for the information about the next planes.
-=PHX=-SuperEtendard Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 About the La-5FN, could it be possible to have it as a La-5F/FN via modifications tab or there were significant difference in the airframes? (I mean for the 1943 La-5FN vs La-5F). I guess it could be a good opportunity to include a "bubble canopy" La-5F to the sim, making it an accurate plane for the Kuban theater as well.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 About the La-5FN, could it be possible to have it as a La-5F/FN via modifications tab or there were significant difference in the airframes? (I mean for the 1943 La-5FN vs La-5F). I guess it could be a good opportunity to include a "bubble canopy" La-5F to the sim, making it an accurate plane for the Kuban theater as well. The FN had not only a more powerfull engine but also changed controlls, removal of the 3rd wing fuel tank and overall a lighthened fuselage. That is too many changes for one mod.
Aap Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 This. I know everyone is excited about the potential planes but this 3rd party experiment is most exciting for me. If it works out it could mean a more steady flow of filling out planes and vehicle content while the development team can focus elsewhere. I missed that part. Did Jason say somewhere that a 3rd party will make a plane? I thought that was out of the question.
Finkeren Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 I missed that part. Did Jason say somewhere that a 3rd party will make a plane? I thought that was out of the question. As he said: It's an experiment.
xvii-Dietrich Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 I missed that part. Did Jason say somewhere that a 3rd party will make a plane? I thought that was out of the question. It is being built by contractors, as part of an experiment. If the experiment works, they will contract out more aircraft. There are multiple references; here are a few... https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30827-i-beg-you-give-us-po-2/?p=503641 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30827-i-beg-you-give-us-po-2/?p=503897 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30827-i-beg-you-give-us-po-2/?p=504271
707shap_Srbin Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 This is an experiment. If it works we can have them make more types of planes. Not all planes users want are easily made or possible. Po-2 and maybe the Storch or Fw-189 offer ability to loiter and call in Arty Strikes like we have in ROF. Anyways, we'll see what happens. Jason Jason - who are the "3rd Team"? Isnt it a Sita?
Missionbug Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Jason - who are the "3rd Team"? Isnt it a Sita? Sita should certainly be top of the list I think as his work with the Po-2/U-2 however you describe it in the old 1946 game is amazing. To further his cause he is already part of TD I think and the work he did for the Tupolev SB series cockpits in the old game is outstanding as far as I am concerned, not to mention the Li-2 cockpits shown at AviaSkins that he was building, we wait with great anticipation that particular addition to the old game. Wishing you all the very best, Pete.
ShamrockOneFive Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Sita should certainly be top of the list I think as his work with the Po-2/U-2 however you describe it in the old 1946 game is amazing. To further his cause he is already part of TD I think and the work he did for the Tupolev SB series cockpits in the old game is outstanding as far as I am concerned, not to mention the Li-2 cockpits shown at AviaSkins that he was building, we wait with great anticipation that particular addition to the old game. Wishing you all the very best, Pete. I hadn't given much thought to who was doing it but man I do hope its Sita. He did phenomenal work and I'm sure he could do it again. Dare I say it... but maybe a SB-2 could come along at some point seeing as he's familiar
707shap_Srbin Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) He could jump on Il-4 also Sweet dreams... Edited September 4, 2017 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar
Uufflakke Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) He could jump on Il-4 also Sweet dreams... Psy06 worked on the IL-4. But the project is retired. Whatever that is exactly supposed to mean I have no clue and why... (EDIT: I think I know why this project is retired. It might have been part of the Maddox Games MMO project 'Battle of Stalingrad' based on the CLOD engine. Which closed in 2012.) https://psy06.deviantart.com/gallery/ Edited September 4, 2017 by Uufflakke
ShamrockOneFive Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Dreams for now. Never know when they may become reality In the meantime... reality is pretty darn good with this series. Such great things we already have.
ST_ami7b5 Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 I will buy Po-2 and Fw-189 immediately. Just give me the pre-order button NOW
Yankee_One Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 I will buy them all if i can supportthe team.
ShamrockOneFive Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Remember folks, Jason was very clear that aircraft like the Po-2 and Li-2 are being done by a third party contractor. Who knows how long that will take or if they will succeed. I remain hopeful, interested, and generally upbeat about the whole thing but pre-orders are too soon. That can easily backfire if something doesn't work out. 1CGS is very good about getting pre-orders for things that are nearing completion. When they can show us something that we're getting and just how close it is. Let them figure the business stuff out and we'll get to flying. I will almost certainly buy whatever it is that they are selling so long as the quality stays at the level I expect it to. And I'm guessing that will continue to be the case! 1
Asgar Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 he also said it's an experiment and not confirmed that it will be added (the Po-2 that is)
Lusekofte Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 I am absolutely for the FW189. Turning with that flying glasshouse through the mountains would be absolutely awesome. With all the planes Blue side got, I would be upset if a FW 189 came before a PO 2, other than that I agree
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