The La-5 in 2.012

[Finkeren]

Is it just me or is the La-5 the true "winner" (hopefully we're all winners) of the FM changes?

 

The plane flies amazingly well now with great high speed maneuvability, awesome roll rate and much, much better energy retention and it is faster than ever!

 

If my initial impression holds up in the coming days, then it will probably be my new go-to fighter on the VVS side.

[Barnacles]

Yes this was one of the first things I tested, along with the 109s and the p40. In QM 1 on 1 it does a lot better.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

La5 always was a winner, with the old FM too.

 

1700hp and 3300kg- that alone is potent.

Edited August 29, 2017 by temujin

[Finkeren]

I know some people used it very effectively, I just couldn't do it.

 

Let's just say then, that the improved handling has made it more accessible to mediocre pilots like me.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Only thing is the poor rear view visibility!

Edited August 29, 2017 by temujin

[Uriah]

So it begs the question:  Was the previous FM just not as accurate as the present.  And if so,  is it because of better capability the devs have been able to have with the engine or is it because they have done more research and made corrections?  I suspect that it is the better capability.

[Flitgun]

Is it just me or is the La-5 the true "winner" (hopefully we're all winners) of the FM changes?

 

The plane flies amazingly well now with great high speed maneuvability, awesome roll rate and much, much better energy retention and it is faster than ever!

 

If my initial impression holds up in the coming days, then it will probably be my new go-to fighter on the VVS side.

 

Great news! I haven't tried it yet. I am a regular La-5 pilot and the energy retention (pre patch) had felt to me ... 'not right'. It made enemy fighters seem 'out of this world'.

[MacLeod]

I’m fairly new to the game but the la-5 is my fav since the original il2. Just spent an hour flying around and doing some aerobatics and boy, oh, boy, what an immense pleasure!!

I’m so ecstactic I cant sleep! Have to go to work in 5 hours and I’m still pumping adrenaline!!

[Jade_Monkey]

So it begs the question: Was the previous FM just not as accurate as the present. And if so, is it because of better capability the devs have been able to have with the engine or is it because they have done more research and made corrections? I suspect that it is the better capability.

Did you even read the update?

 

Regarding the La5, it's nice but i dont think it just became a game changer with this patch.

[CSW_GC3_Chroust]

For a long time I was not in BoS..But when I read what is happening with La5, I probably will try to return

[Field-Ops]

I was barely pulling away from an La5 on WoL in my Fw190-A5 u17 mod using boost and 5% rads. As soon as I started a slight climb however he started catching up, then it was all over. He must have had his boost on the whole time.

[Venturi]

How much does the -u17 mod slow down the Fw190? I think a fair amount, like 25kph?

[Asgar]

no, it makes you faster because  you get C3 injection

[Irgendjemand]

Well, there is really people that think the energyretention of the LA5 was bad before the patch? Unbelievabe.
Well, I hope your impressions are purely subjective. Because if there is one thing that was not accurate (overmodeled to hell and back) it was its rollrate.
I did some flying in the A3 on Berloga yesterday and my impression so far was that its now much more competetive against russian fighters because it feels like its highspeed handling finally is superior to everything on the russian side and with that as its actually supposed to be.
I hope my impression doesnt change after a few more days and everyone getting used to the new status.

no, it makes you faster because  you get C3 injection

But its also comes with a shaiteload of armor and bombracks you cannot leave home. So I dont know exactly but wouldnt wonder if the A5 with U17 is actually slower than an A5 without it.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I was barely pulling away from an La5 on WoL in my Fw190-A5 u17 mod using boost and 5% rads. As soon as I started a slight climb however he started catching up, then it was all over. He must have had his boost on the whole time.

Last time I used u17 I wasn't getting full 1.65 ata with boost (yes it was activated) for some reason.

Edited August 30, 2017 by hrafnkolbrandr

[Irgendjemand]

Last time I used u17 I wasn't getting full 1.65 ata with boost (yes it was activated) for some reason.

 

Maybe you were flying above 1000m? Its supposed to be only effective below this height.

[Venturi]

no, it makes you faster because  you get C3 injection

C3 is German 100 octane fuel. So it makes sense that boost could go higher. 

[Jizzo]

On the A5 you gain a massive boost in speed if you take U17 without center 250/500kg bombrack and full C3 boost is only available hugging the trees.

[Asgar]

C3 is German 100 octane fuel. So it makes sense that boost could go higher. 

why are you giving me information i already know and nobody asked for? it's confusing

[Max_Damage]

I dont like it at all. Bad(zero) rear visibility kills the plane for me.

 

Other than that nothing has changed. Its not really faster then a me109, it climbs and turns worse.

Edited August 30, 2017 by Max_Damage

[Asgar]

look up and use your mirror, it has fantastic visibility in that 

[Venturi]

why are you giving me information i already know and nobody asked for? it's confusing

Not everyone knows why the manifold pressure should go higher with this mod. I'm just plugging aviation knowledge. Sorry.

[Asgar]

ah, the fact you quoted me made it look like you were explaining it to me, that confused me :D

[Flitgun]

Well, there is really people that think the energyretention of the LA5 was bad before the patch? Unbelievabe.

...

 

It's rather odd that you think it is unbelievable - especially so as the developer has just improved the energy retention of the La-5 in this latest patch.

[Finkeren]

I dont like it at all. Bad(zero) rear visibility kills the plane for me.

 

Other than that nothing has changed. Its not really faster then a me109, it climbs and turns worse.

It is absolutely faster than the 109s (at combat power) below 2000m. It turns with the later 109s at higher speeds as well, I find.

[Max_Damage]

It accelerates worse and it has a much smaller emergency time then a G2 flying at 1.32 so in general it really isnt faster. Plus the dive speed limit. maybe it has similar speed on average and at below 1000 m only. However WOL hartmanns only fly at 3-4k.

Edited August 30, 2017 by Max_Damage

[Irgendjemand]

It's rather odd that you think it is unbelievable - especially so as the developer has just improved the energy retention of the La-5 in this latest patch.

 

Did they write anything in patchnotes about that? I didnt see it.

If not its subjective impression - isnt it? I am just saying i hope its just subjective since I as a mainly german playing gamer could not find any german aircraft having any great edge in terms of energyretantion over the LA5.

[Finkeren]

It accelerates worse and it has a much smaller emergency time then a G2 flying at 1.32 so in general it really isnt faster. Plus the dive speed limit. maybe it has similar speed on average and at below 1000 m.

Acceleration is true, the 109s accelerate like a bullet down the barrel.

 

With the M-82F engine, the La-5 has no time limits at all, and I have yet to open the cowl outlets more than halfway on the spring map - granted I make sure to keep my speed up at all times.

 

As for dives, only top dive speed is a limitation. The La-5's elevators are now so much more effective at high speeds than the 109s, that it's a huge gamble for a 109 to dive with an La-5. The Fw 190 still outdives it in every way obviously.

[Max_Damage]

Just try your la5 isa faster theory on wol and see how it works heh.

[Finkeren]

Just try your la5 isa faster theory on wol and see how it works heh.

Better. I'll test it. You should never judge aircraft performance based on personal experience in a fight.

[A_radek]

Just try your la5 isa faster theory on wol and see how it works heh.

I did okay trying that. Actually more than okay considering I was the pilot. With the entrance of the 82f engine this fighter has for me been the most effective way of hunting 109's on Wol. And by far the most fun. Down very low it is considerably faster than the f4 unless the f4 pilot is willing to sacrifice his engine. Which would be a very bad idea.

 

Have yet to try the new build so not sure what changes there are.

[Flitgun]

Did they write anything in patchnotes about that? I didnt see it.

If not its subjective impression - isnt it? I am just saying i hope its just subjective since I as a mainly german playing gamer could not find any german aircraft having any great edge in terms of energyretantion over the LA5.

 

No, you're right. A little short circuit on my part there. Long day. Wishful thinking.

 

Still, I am surprised by your last comment quoted here. I quite often see 109s doing spaghetti turns all over the place and they seem to do just fine staying fast and blasting up into the sky after me. One can't mimic that in an La-5 - that is my experience anyway.

[Venturi]

ah, the fact you quoted me made it look like you were explaining it to me, that confused me :D

Seems easy to do chief. Tallyho.

[Asgar]

Seems easy to do chief. Tallyho.

uuh, passive agressive remark. like a real grown up

[E69_geramos109]

109s are not dogfighters anymore. The behabeour between 450-550 km/H has changed a lot so you are a brick compared with red planes at that speeds

[Boaty-McBoatface]

109s are not dogfighters anymore. The behabeour between 450-550 km/H has changed a lot so you are a brick compared with red planes at that speeds

As it should be. 109 was known in tests to have very heavy stick forces at high speeds. This is well modelled in TF Clod.

 

Strategy comes much more into play now rather than stick twiddling trickery of before.

 

Also no more stabaxis cheating with the increased time to move through the stabilizer range. I found you have to set up the stabilizer in advance for what you are anticipating.

Edited August 31, 2017 by temujin

[LukeFF]

 

 

So I dont know exactly but wouldnt wonder if the A5 with U17 is actually slower than an A5 without it.

 

C'mon, think about the logic of that for a moment.  

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

The 109's feel like locomotives now.

Doesn't matter to me because I couldn't fly them [edited] to begin with, but there was quite a bit of crying when I was on WoL last night.

I actually like it a lot better, honestly. Feels much more like a boom and zoomer than it did before, and my undisciplined self is less likely to risk getting sucked down and squander my energy.

Edited August 31, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
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[Irgendjemand]

C'mon, think about the logic of that for a moment.  

 

The logic is that even with higher engine power the reached speed could be lower due to the increased weight (Armor and Racks) and Drag (Racks).

So........ Enlighten me.

Edited August 31, 2017 by Irgendjemand

[216th_Jordan]

The logic is that even with higher engine power the reached speed could be lower due to the increased weight (Armor and Racks) and Drag (Racks).

So........ Enlighten me.

Speed is 12 or 14 km/h higher for sure. (but only very close to sea level) Edited August 31, 2017 by 216th_Jordan