Considering VR or maybe trackir

[dburne]

I guess that's just some people. i haven't felt dizzy once, not even the first time i tried it. its all subjective i guess. what i do hear a lot of though is that the first few hours of play, weather they're continuous or not tend to get people dizzy, then you get used to it a no longer get the feeling.

 

Yep took me about 2 weeks to truly get my VR  legs. I just took breaks in between when I started feeling nauseous until I got used to it. I can go for hours now without problem.

[chiliwili69]

 

 

intel core i5-4670 @ 3.4 ghz 8 gb Ram Geforce GTX 770

 

I would say that your system will not reach the adequate 90 fps even with low settings, but I will not put my hand on the fire.

 

Also you CPU (apart from turbo) doesn´t allow overcloking, so it will be weak for VR.

The 770 card is also under the recommending VR specs by Oculus.

 

You can run the Oculus PC compat test to verify is your system is still valid for VR in general:

https://ocul.us/compat-tool

 

If you want to improve your hardware for VR, you could mantain your MoBo with socket 1150 and look to the top CPU for socket 1150 (for example 4790K):

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/socketType.html#id7

 

Then, a second hand 980Ti or 1060.

 

Regarding RAM, what is the speed (MHz) of your RAM?

[Night0wl]

Wow.. didnt think i would need to upgrade the whole machine.. thought idd be good upgrading ram and getting a gtx 1060

[chiliwili69]

 

 

if you did then you should get 16 gigs of ram

 

Why do you say you need 16Gb instead of 8Gb to play BoS?

When playing BOS in VR, the system shows that only 5Gb of RAM is used by all processes in Windows10.

[blitze]

Running a FX8350 AMD myself but have 16Gb ram at 3200 speed and AMD 390 graphics card.

 

2D 1440P it can push out 100+ fps without hud on the ground, throw the hud in and it drops 30 to 40 fps this on Balanced using 2x aa under AMD control panel.  High Quality is not much of a drop but the hud will bring frames down to 60fps on the ground but without 90+ and in the air at med alt's 120+

 

Been thinking of future purchase with Pimax HMD not sure if I need to upgrade at this point but if I do it will probably be AMD again with 2nd gen Ryzan and with a Vega card.  I could always do 1080p upscaled with the Pimax if the fps are lacking.  Just have to see if it works with a Delanclip tracking system.  They say you can turn the inbuilt gyros off and use 3rd party tacking systems with the Pimax.

 

The FX8350 was not a bad CPU and I think mem speed is quite important and a good motherboard (ASUS M5A99FX).  If I was shopping for a cpu now it would be the Ryzan 1700

 

At the end of the day, performance is the combination of parts not just one or the other.  DX12 and Vulcan will make it more so and my current system flies with Doom under Vulcan at 1440p

[Myscion]

They are both a huge upgrade compare to the hat switch. I made the same upgrade to Track ir with the same stick. It was mind blowing able to look over your wing as you make a pass. Bullets wising past me almost always made me duck.

 

VR was just as mind blowing as track ir was. You truly get a sense of scale. You no longer has issues trying to tell how far away the ground is on featureless runways and you feel as though you are parts of the aircraft. 

 

That said I ended up returning the rift. The resolution just isn't there for me. I run a 2560x1440p display and I can check gauges with only a quick glace and see all the little tick marks and text. 

On the rift checking gauges needed a bit more effort and was always blurry. It can be hard to tell the difference between 1.1 and 1.15 ata in a fire fight. The p40 is really punishing with engine management. 

 

I fully intend to buy gen 2. I have the horse power for the high resolutions. I find the game more CPU limited than GPU on my current rig. At that res and full settings I'm maxing out at around 100 - 130 fps.

 

If you don't have track ir it's a tough choice. If you ever plan to fly il2 1946 or ROF, arma I would recommend track ir. If you only ever plan to fly in BOS then I'd skip straight to the rift. 

Edited August 25, 2017 by Myscion

[chiliwili69]

 

 

Running a FX8350 AMD myself but have 16Gb ram at 3200 speed and AMD 390 graphics card

 

I would like to see how the FX8350 performs in BoS comparing with other CPUs and rigs.

 

If you have a chance, you can run this performance test for Monitor and/or VR following these instructions: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline/

 

Then, you can figure out what performance you will have in VR (Rift or Vive). No test data so far for Pimax.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I would like to see how the FX8350 performs in BoS comparing with other CPUs and rigs.

 

-snip-

 

If Sshadow is to be believed you can expect about 365FPS on the ultra preset @ 3440x1440.

 

Just don't forget to OC your FSB to 11.12153Jiggawops

Edited August 25, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[blitze]

I would like to see how the FX8350 performs in BoS comparing with other CPUs and rigs.

 

If you have a chance, you can run this performance test for Monitor and/or VR following these instructions: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline/

 

Then, you can figure out what performance you will have in VR (Rift or Vive). No test data so far for Pimax.

I don't run 4x aa ingame.  It is too much of a performance hit.  Running 2x aa in AMD control panel with the monitor settings as prescribed min 52, max 100 and average 71.967

 

Go full screen and you get min 84, max 140 and average 107.983 - quite fluid and that is with a freesync monitor as well.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I felt dizzy when I tried VR...

 

Will keep using my best controller ever - trackir...

It is well known by now that this is not a matter of the person and his stomach, but a matter of setup and framerate. It means you tested on a very badly setup system, with unstable fps, maybe with moved sensors, and/or not personalized IPD. If you don't know what IPD is right away, you didn't even ran the setup, and there's your culprit already. Probably your friend to blame. Good advice - never try it in an electronics market.

If Sshadow is to be believed you can expect about 365FPS on the ultra preset @ 3440x1440.

 

Just don't forget to OC your FSB to 11.12153Jiggawops

LMAO :D

Wow.. didnt think i would need to upgrade the whole machine.. thought idd be good upgrading ram and getting a gtx 1060

 

I just read your system specs. I agree, VR is not an option - unless you get a new CPU, with it naturally a new motherboard and fast RAM, as well as a better GPU. Sorry to break that for you, but it is better to know than to buy VR and not be able to use it.

 

I had an i5 3570K @ 4.2GHz, 16GB DDR3 1600MHz, and GTX1060. It was too slow.

 

My new system works (in my signature).

Edited August 25, 2017 by 1CAG_Fenris_Wolf

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

If i buy GTX 1080, is my CPU enough to play this game in VR?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I doubt it. You may want to check the compatibility tool by Oculus. 3.4GHz is really low. If you overclock it to at least 4, it might work without being a constant pain and dizziness.

[ADorante]

How many of you VR users wear glasses? The two times I tried out a VR goggles (Oculus with EVE Valkyrie, Playstation VR with Ace Combat 7 VR, both at Gamescom) the experience was cool. BUT the pressure on my nose via my glasses was strong. For the duration of the demo it was no problem, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it for more than maybe 30 minutes.

 

I'm short-sighted. Now I reached the age threshold where one also needs reading glasses. Without them I couldn't focus on the VR monitors properly.

[TG-55Panthercules]

How many of you VR users wear glasses? The two times I tried out a VR goggles (Oculus with EVE Valkyrie, Playstation VR with Ace Combat 7 VR, both at Gamescom) the experience was cool. BUT the pressure on my nose via my glasses was strong. For the duration of the demo it was no problem, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it for more than maybe 30 minutes. I'm short-sighted. Now I reached the age threshold where one also needs reading glasses. Without them I couldn't focus on the VR monitors properly.

 

I demo'd the Rift with my glasses - clearly that wasn't going to work for long term use, but it did confirm for me that it's better to use your distance prescription rather than reading or midrange/computer prescription (I tried it without glasses, and with both my midrange/computer glasses and my normal distance glasses - the latter worked best).  

 

After looking at some of the companies selling specially-designed lenses for the Rift (which tended to run about $75-100), I wound up finding a guy who had designed a frame that can be 3D printed (about $8, including shipping) and bought the glasses he designed the frames for from Zenni Optical, using my distance prescription (about $17, including shipping).  They fit into the Rift headset easily and work great.  Definitely the way to go if you have a Rift and need glasses.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I got my eyes lasered (smile relex by Euroeyes) and it was one of the best and most lasting descisions in my life.

Edited August 26, 2017 by 1CAG_Fenris_Wolf

[Night0wl]

Also lasered my eyes agreed that its well worth the money!

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

How many of you VR users wear glasses? The two times I tried out a VR goggles (Oculus with EVE Valkyrie, Playstation VR with Ace Combat 7 VR, both at Gamescom) the experience was cool. BUT the pressure on my nose via my glasses was strong. For the duration of the demo it was no problem, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it for more than maybe 30 minutes.I'm short-sighted. Now I reached the age threshold where one also needs reading glasses. Without them I couldn't focus on the VR monitors properly.

Glasses fit without issue under the Vive. It has cutouts for the frames and works well assuming your glasses aren't really large. Demo the HTC Vive with your glasses on.

I was prepared to use contacts all the time but found glasses were fine.

[chiliwili69]

 

 

If i buy GTX 1080, is my CPU enough to play this game in VR?

 

All depends on the OC you could reach and the settings you want for BOS. (what you consider "enough" is subjective to you)

RAM speed is also a factor.

 

We saw that the fps performance in VR is very much dependent on the "Single Thread Mark" index reported by Passmark:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/CPU_mega_page.html

 

You can download the Passmark Performance Test: https://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm

 

Your CPU with no OC has a ST Mark index of  2170. 

If you can reach 2500 or more, then your CPU will start to be valid for BOS VR with settings High. If not, then you can use Balanced and Low settings and you will find also a good frame rate.

 

The good thing of this ST Mark index is that everyone without VR (or even BOS) can figure out the performance of their rig in BOS with VR.

[Night0wl]

well still thinking of upgrading my PC to go VR but i will have to do it in steps..

 

what do you guys think i should upgrade first especially for BOS (VR) my passmark score was 4100 something:

 

https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=88029423815

[dburne]

well still thinking of upgrading my PC to go VR but i will have to do it in steps..

 

what do you guys think i should upgrade first especially for BOS (VR) my passmark score was 4100 something:

 

https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=88029423815

 

Video card.

At least a 1060, 1070 if you can swing it.

[chiliwili69]

what do you guys think i should upgrade first especially for BOS (VR) my passmark score was 4100 something:   https://www.passmark...?id=88029423815

 

First at all you are looking to the wrong passmark number.

 

Your reported 4107 is useless. It is an average of all individual passmark tests (CPUMark, 2D, 3D, Memory, storage). This is not the right one to look at when considering BOS VR.

 

You should look a the "Single Thread Mark", as explained in the first post of this thread (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline/)

The public ST Mark for your not overclocked CPU is 2195.

Try to activate the Turbo in the BIOS (to 3.8 GHz) in your machine and see what STMark do you achieve. If you are above 2500 then it will start to be valid for VR with High settings.

 

What RAM speed do you have?  (to know that you can use CPU-Z free tool and look at the "Memory Tab" the "DRAM Frequency". And multiple that number by two)

 

Would also help to know what settings do you expect to run the VR.  If you are OK with LOW, then your CPU will be valid. If it is a MUST for you to run at ULTRA then there is no way with your current CPU.

Edited August 27, 2017 by chiliwili69

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

You guys want to listen to chiliwili in this regard, he has the most actual test data gathered from a dozen people

[Night0wl]

Meh sounds like my cpu needs an upgrade first? If so can i put a better cpu in this mobo? Im sorry for being a noob about this but i havent been into this since i built this pc and i had help with the build.. anyway dont wanna spend money on parts and find out that it would've been better to just build a new rig from scratch.

[dburne]

Meh sounds like my cpu needs an upgrade first? If so can i put a better cpu in this mobo? Im sorry for being a noob about this but i havent been into this since i built this pc and i had help with the build.. anyway dont wanna spend money on parts and find out that it would've been better to just build a new rig from scratch.

 

Why not go video card first, put it in and see how it does? Really nothing to lose there, as your current video card does not meet recommended min spec for VR.

https://support.oculus.com/help/oculus/1773584749575567/?helpref=hc_fnav

 

You will need the vid card either way.

 

You might also run the Oculus Rift compatibility checker as well:

https://support.oculus.com/1357437467617798

 

I ran that checker prior to buying my Rift, and it flagged my onboard USB 3.0 ports as being known to be problematic, so I got an add in Innateck PCIe powered USB 3.0 card and ran my Rift through it, has worked beautifully for me.

Edited August 27, 2017 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

Yes, you will need upgrade of CPU and GPU.

 

As I told in above post:

 

If you want to improve your hardware for VR, you could mantain your MoBo with socket 1150 and look to the top CPU for socket 1150 (for example 4790K):

https://www.cpubench...etType.html#id7

 

In the other hand, if you are going to buy also the rift, there are good offers for PC+Rift.

[Night0wl]

Thanks chili i think ill just maintain the current rig and go for that cpu, will it be enough for ultra settings if i choose a good gpu with it? And can i keep the old cooler unit? Its a pretty big alloy block with two fans on it

[chiliwili69]

4790K is a very common and mature CPU (but still powerful). The better the cooler the better you will be able to overclock.

I have a very modest cpu cooler and I just reach 4.6GHZ with temps around 60 to 75 celsius ingame IL-2.

With that I don´t use Ultra but High settings.

 

It would help if you put your current system specs (including Mobo and RAM speed) in your signature. You can use this to know your PC specs: https://www.piriform.com/speccy

 

So you can try with the 4790K (current 7700K is not much more powerful) and it will take time until intel or AMD bring new CPUs which significant superior single thread performance than 4790K.

You can use current cooler and see what are your temps when overclocking.

 

Take into account that you will new to upgrade your GPU as well, for low budget a 980, 980ti, 1060 would work, for mid budget 1070.

I still don´t know your RAM speed, but by the age of your CPU it will be around 1300-1500 MHz. If so, it is a bit slow for IL-2 VR. You will need to go to 2400 or above since you will gain good fps.

 

And very important!  you need to verify if your MoBo allows Overclocking and also the required USB connections for the Rift.

As Don said, you can run the PC compatibility check before acquiring the Rift:

https://support.ocul...357437467617798

[Night0wl]

Thanks again! I did the compatability check it ticks all except the videocard it has 3 usb 3.0 in front and a couple of 2.0 in the back think ill go for the 1060 or 1070.. though the gtx 1060 windforce 6gb sounds like a good deal i can find them for a little less than 300euro will first upgrade the gpu and later the cpu.. i believe my ram is 8gb 1600mhz

[dburne]

Thanks again! I did the compatability check it ticks all except the videocard it has 3 usb 3.0 in front and a couple of 2.0 in the back think ill go for the 1060 or 1070.. though the gtx 1060 windforce 6gb sounds like a good deal i can find them for a little less than 300euro will first upgrade the gpu and later the cpu.. i believe my ram is 8gb 1600mhz

 

That is what I would do first. 

Also you may have some headroom to overclock that i5 4670k cpu, if you have a decent cooler and motherboard that is overclocking friendly. Those K processors are pretty easy to overclock by just working with the multiplier.

 

I don't know that I would sink much into your current platform with a cpu and/or memory upgrade, your decision of course but  I would see how you get along with the new GPU first and then later on at some point consider upgrading the motherboard, cpu, and ram. A new GPU can easily be moved to a new system upgrade. At least that is what I would do.

 

I will be doing a new build probably around middle of 2018 as my system should be getting a little long in the tooth by then. One reason I went with the 1080 Ti is will be easy to just use it in a new build at that time.  I could add more and possibly faster ram to this rig, but I am just not going to sink money into it when I know I will be doing a new build in probably less than a year.

[chiliwili69]

 

 

well here is my setup:   intel core i5-4670 @ 3.4 ghz 8 gb Ram Geforce GTX 770

 

You said you had i5-4670, but in your Passmark test I see you have a i5-4670K which is a different story.

 

If you really have an i5-4670K, then you can overclock it well to 4.4 or even further with your big CPU cooler. So, a CPU upgrade may not be needed!!

 

While you are going to the GPU (1060 is fine) try to study how to do overclocking in your PC and measure your improvements with the Passmark Single thread mark. I am sure you can reach 2600 or may be more with a bit faster RAM.

 

The 1600MHZ RAM is a bit slow. If you can afford DDR3 8Gb at 2400MHz it will help you.

[Night0wl]

Gonna bite the bullet and buy a gtx 1070 first then try to overclock my cpu thanks for the info chili

Edited August 28, 2017 by jann3man

[Fran13]

In my opinion Track IR is just better way to control your pilot view than your jostick. And The best Il2 experience is VR. Even in Low details its outstanding. A 9/10 experience.

[seafireliv]

I would be very cautious about VR. I know people here are so desperate to push it that all other opinion gets stamped on. But I just heard that HTC is getting out of the VR business, not a good sign.

 

Stay with TIR, it`s never failed me.

[dburne]

I would be very cautious about VR. I know people here are so desperate to push it that all other opinion gets stamped on. But I just heard that HTC is getting out of the VR business, not a good sign.

 

Stay with TIR, it`s never failed me.

 

Just for clarification purposes regarding HTC and the Vive.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-24/smartphone-maker-htc-is-said-to-explore-strategic-options

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Desperate?

[Herne]

I would be very cautious about VR. I know people here are so desperate to push it that all other opinion gets stamped on. But I just heard that HTC is getting out of the VR business, not a good sign.

 

Stay with TIR, it`s never failed me.

 

Not sure what you are trying to say here. I'm not desperate to promote anything, its not like I'm on the payroll. Enjoying the VR in this game so much I did buy all the content though. Did a quick search for reviews, on the first page I see, magnificent, awesome, and amazing come up in the hits.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=il2+bos+vr+review&oq=il2+bos+vr+review&aqs=chrome..69i57.6302j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

That just about sums it up for me.

[chiliwili69]

I know people here are so desperate to push it

 

I really like the openness of the forum so all points of view are exposed, including your one which is as valid as mine.

 

... well, or perhaps not.

 

Have you tried VR in BOS?

 

If not, it is like if a priest explains me practical aspects of the kamasutra (Uhm... perhaps not the best analogy... ... but you know what I mean)

 

Our VR Wow should not be seen as "we are right, everyone should have the same that us", but as something that we really want to spread since we really have much more fun and we want to just share that enjoyment. I do the same with my friends, I just told them "Look, this is fun". It up to them to search, compare and decide.

 

Is this first VR gen perfect? NO (resolution and FOV)

Is enough for BOS VR? YES, IMHO

will this go better and better? Oh YES!

Is VR for you? Try it properly and have an informed point of view.

 

If you don´t like VR and think you will never go for that, please fill this Poll. I really need to un-bias the poll as much as possible:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27278-about-vr-and-vr-devices-used/

Edited August 29, 2017 by chiliwili69

[MrNoice]

I would buy VR if the resolution wouldnt be that bad... so spotting will be a pain ^^

[javelina]

Gonna bite the bullet and buy a gtx 1070 first then try to overclock my cpu thanks for the info chili

I have a 4670K, and O/C to 4.2ghz.  Running BoX just fine with the Rift.  My specs are in my sig.

[katdog5]

Based on this thread, I thought Id give the Oculus a try. Worst case, Id just return it within 14 days. I demoed the Oculus a year ago and thought it was cool future technology to try for 5 minutes. In the end it felt a little gimmicky. Ive flown IL2 for 10+ years with TrackIR so always dreampt of the day of a VR cockpit..well that day is here and I cant believe how spectacular it is!! HOLY SH/(7!!

 

I put that Oculus Rift on and MAGIC. No sense in attempting to put into more words. Any YouTube video on the matter is laughable.

 

A totally incredible experience. Im definitely keeping the Oculus and will be buying the new one the day it comes out.

 

$400 for a $100,000 experience imo. A few short years ago you couldve payed $25 for a 5 min ride in this thing. Now you can OWN it, with an endless amount of variables and situations to play with at your leisure.

 

EPIC fellas. EPIC. Thanks for the VR support, cant wait to buy more products.

 

Yep took me about 2 weeks to truly get my VR legs. I just took breaks in between when I started feeling nauseous until I got used to it. I can go for hours now without problem.

currently recovering from my first immelman while a pair of 110s were bursting into flames then exploding beside me. how am i going to sleep! Edited August 30, 2017 by katdog5