This sim is not only about flying but also much more like learning about planes too.

[danniego]

This sim is not only about flying but also much more like learning about planes too, and the history for that era and area.

It is actually very interesting to learn about how planes fly and operate.

I was and still am overwhelmed by the amount of things you should know and do beside doing directional flying.

Yesterday I was guided by SAGS who assisted me to learn a lot about flying the LaGG-3.

He explained a lot of things very well and to understand why you have to do certain things makes me feel you get more control of the plane and hopefully being able to fly with it successfully.

Now to remember them when,how and where your buttons are is a different story.

 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's all part of the process

 

This is why combat flight sims tend to be more than just point and click and shoot-fests but really its all about taking off, navigating, flying your plane, entering into combat and then flying it back again and landing. You need to know about the whole process. When you do and you pull it off... its magical!

[sergio_]

I'm new to IL-2 but certainly not to flight simulation.

 

But indeed I'm learning things. Specially the history around. These days I'm diving into WW2 documentaries. I fully agree with you.

[SAG]

Well im glad you enjoyed the time!

I always try to contribute to the community in any way i can, since i cant give out copies of the game like some very kind souls do in the forums.

 

Hope you keep practicing and getting better, there is a learning curve to a flight sim but its tottaly worth it.

 

On a side note; can you tell me more about BoS in VR? im contemplating buying an oculus pronto and i really want to hear more about the experience! ;D

[LLv44_Damixu]

This also is somewhat of a barrier for potential IL-2 BoX buyers and newcomers not to get involved with the sim due the reason of insanely steep learning curve without riogurous and (1C or affiliate assisted) training aid for example of by videos or training missions to A) set up the flight gear and keymapping, B) learn basic manouvering desired airplanes on ground and in the air, C) manage complex aircraft systems like RPM covernors, mixture, oil and air cooler controls etc., D) Navigate terrain, E) Spot targets, F) Conduct some meaningful basic combat manouvers, G) Advanced combat manouvers, H) Level bombing, I) Dive bombing, J) Glide bombing, L) Knowing performance of other/enemy planes on different configurations and altitudes against yours, M) to-be-decided

 

I'd like to se vast numbers and more happy pilots in our virtual skies and accumulating the reveneue for the 1C to develop way further this awesome sim

Edited August 1, 2017 by LLv32_Damixu

[ShamrockOneFive]

From what Jason said... a good number of people bought into the original IL-2 series. If those same folks bought into the new one then things would be humming along. As they are it sounds like Battle of Kuban and the current direction has grabbed peoples attention and a lot of new faces are cropping up.

 

Flight sims are never going to be mainstream because not everyone can do it. I've tried to get friends into it but a lot of people struggle with flying something that operates in 3-dimensions as aircraft do. I see on a daily basis why some folks shouldn't operate vehicles in 2 dimensions on the roads

 

It's a tough thing to get people into. The people who are into it... are really REALLY into it. It's just how it works I guess.

[danniego]

On a side note; can you tell me more about BoS in VR? im contemplating buying an oculus pronto and i really want to hear more about the experience! ;D

The whole reason i bought BOS is that it supports VR and imho that is the only way forward with simulators. Not always so for games of other genre, i experienced myself. 

I think it is awesome, unbelievable, pure joy to sit in the plane and look at the interior.

The depth perception, the true scale feeling, moving your head around to look for enemies and everywhere you look is your environment present and dynamic, makes you at times forget after a while you are at home.

When we did that run on that airfieled going down to the ground an shooting the plane and then pulling up and make a run for it; 

You don't only see the ground getting closer to you. You sort of feel it is getting closer to you. And your adrenaline is pumping.

Then this smoking out of control bomber was almost hitting me from above going down towards me and missed me like several meters only. I was like omfg thats it, it is over. Turned my head to follow where he went and said Zezuz vok this is awesome.

 

But...

 

The (double image) ghosting of the planes flying at speed around you due to the 45 fps AWS makes it less enjoyable visually wise.

I really hope priority to optimum VR implementation will happen soon as i think it is of paramount importance to attract players as it is so much more enjoyable to have for a respected flight sim (It is already great work of the developers btw)

Spotting anything is hard and a airplane at a distance look like a cluster of pixels moving together.

The lack of detail and definition in the distance makes it less enjoyable visually wise.

The reading of your instruments by glancing at it is not really that great.

Only when you move towards the instruments it will be good enough to read it.

This well known screen door effect is there and at times you are fixated on it and it annoys you but during intense game play and lot of moving your head looking around you, you do not see or notice it but it is there and it should not be there and you wish it was not there.

The screen loading is not done properly and makes you see two different angled similar images and you have to close one eye during loading not to feel you you had too much Vodka or Schnapps (Depending what side your are flying on).

You can be prone to motion sickness in the beginning or all the time which makes it not usable for you.

I was a little bit sick in the beginning with VR but after two weeks no problems and now I can sit for hours in my VR world only to make a break for coffee and other important things

 

So...

 

I would say to wait for version 2 if you are tight with money since you need the pc hardware also to back it up properly to make it run smoothly.

If you are really thinking every time you load your sim and say to yourself I should have this VR on my head and smiling at these bombers you are shooting down, buy it.

If you are picky with graphically high fidelity details as being top priority do not buy it.

If you are not interested in fiddling with cables, plugging extra USB ports, maybe upgrading your PSU, rebooting ten times your pc to try some settings or drivers, going to your hardware devices and select all your usb ports to deselect the power management, reading on forums what to try or do to improve performance, read through several forums and Reddit posts to learn about settings, tools, options, bugs, etc. do not buy it.

 

But...

 

Probably when you buy it you will have no regrets and pure amazement will await you (hallelujah).

Edited August 1, 2017 by danniego

[SAG]

The whole reason i bought BOS is that it supports VR and imho that is the only way forward with simulators. Not always so for games of other genre, i experienced myself. 

I think it is awesome, unbelievable, pure joy to sit in the plane and look at the interior.

The depth perception, the true scale feeling, moving your head around to look for enemies and everywhere you look is your environment present and dynamic, makes you at times forget after a while you are at home.

When we did that run on that airfieled going down to the ground an shooting the plane and then pulling up and make a run for it; 

You don't only see the ground getting closer to you. You sort of feel it is getting closer to you. And your adrenaline is pumping.

Then this smoking out of control bomber was almost hitting me from above going down towards me and missed me like several meters only. I was like omfg thats it, it is over. Turned my head to follow where he went and said Zezuz vok this is awesome.

 

But...

 

The (double image) ghosting of the planes flying at speed around you due to the 45 fps AWS makes it less enjoyable visually wise.

I really hope priority to optimum VR implementation will happen soon as i think it is of paramount importance to attract players as it is so much more enjoyable to have for a respected flight sim (It is already great work of the developers btw)

Spotting anything is hard and a airplane at a distance look like a cluster of pixels moving together.

The lack of detail and definition in the distance makes it less enjoyable visually wise.

The reading of your instruments by glancing at it is not really that great.

Only when you move towards the instruments it will be good enough to read it.

This well known screen door effect is there and at times you are fixated on it and it annoys you but during intense game play and lot of moving your head looking around you, you do not see or notice it but it is there and it should not be there and you wish it was not there.

The screen loading is not done properly and makes you see two different angled similar images and you have to close one eye during loading not to feel you you had too much Vodka or Schnapps (Depending what side your are flying on).

You can be prone to motion sickness in the beginning or all the time which makes it not usable for you.

I was a little bit sick in the beginning with VR but after two weeks no problems and now I can sit for hours in my VR world only to make a break for coffee and other important things

 

So...

 

I would say to wait for version 2 if you are tight with money since you need the pc hardware also to back it up properly to make it run smoothly.

If you are really thinking every time you load your sim and say to yourself I should have this VR on my head and smiling at these bombers you are shooting down, buy it.

If you are picky with graphically high fidelity details as being top priority do not buy it.

If you are not interested in fiddling with cables, plugging extra USB ports, maybe upgrading your PSU, rebooting ten times your pc to try some settings or drivers, going to your hardware devices and select all your usb ports to deselect the power management, reading on forums what to try or do to improve performance, read through several forums and Reddit posts to learn about settings, tools, options, bugs, etc. do not buy it.

 

But...

 

Probably when you buy it you will have no regrets and pure amazement will await you (hallelujah).

 

 

Fuck it. I just bought one 

[Potenz]

that's what flight sims are, love it or hate it, really steep learning curve, but if you get into it, there's not only a game but a gate that will take you through history too

[danniego]

 

 

Fuck it. I just bought one 

That is the right altitude ehh latitude ehh I mean attitude

[dburne]

 I just bought one 

 

 

 

You are in for a treat!

[SAG]

I am indeed!! now i just need to figure out how to configure the game for the smoothest ride possible XD

[Lusekofte]

Well you do learn about the engine parameters, they are to the point of insanity very accurate. And many in here are wikiplaniac , so you do learn a lot every where you turn  

[Praetorious]

WW2 was a unbelievable conflict hopefully to never be repeated again,airplanes were a huge part of it,research and development,i have been consumed with the history of WW2 since i was a kid, i probably have 500 books on the subject if not more so thats why i was drawn to Sturmovik the day it came out many many years ago,Shamrock, you are spot on when you say what you said about this game not being for everyone,i have tried also to get people to play it but most people dont want to do the legwork it takes,i always hear "oh there's just too many controls"    "its so hard to land and take off"  etc etc i truly love this game and franchise,i know this may sound crazy but sometimes i just like to take off and go flying for awhile and i do that quite a bit, no combat or nothing,i also love to land, its my favorite thing to do,lol

 

If you are truly dedicated to this game you will also learn a lot about airplanes,back in the old days of the game you learned about mixture and prop pitch and maneuvers and all that but it really wasn't mandatory and it was forgiving (at least for me) but as the game has progressed to the present time,you dont watch your gauges and pay attention and you will be six feet under or walking home in a hurry!!  i have BOM and i bought Kuban a few days ago,i am truly having a blast,thank you for putting out such a beautiful game!!

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's the kind of hobby that takes some work to get into. I've done the same thing where I load up a plane and just go flying for no combat reason at all. When IL-2: BoS first became available in Early Access you couldn't do too much anyways so I flew the LaGG-3 around the test map just getting used to how flight worked in the series and that was plenty enough to get started. I practiced touch and go on the Lapino airfield for a while too.

 

This isn't the sort of instant gratification type of game that others are so I think some people just can't be bothered to spend the time. It requires patience and some reading to really make it work. I sat down recently with an iPad and the Mirage 2000C pilot manual for DCS just learning how to start the thing up. It sounds more like studying and less like gaming all the time! :D

[ATA_Vasilij]

I love the simulators. Because of their precision, and hardcoreness. I hate arcade style games. They are for kids and bring only very shallow experience. I need the depth, and proffesionality. Thats why I play il-2 Sturmovik.

 

Yes I am able to learn how to fly even for months until I get the first kill or first successful landing. I love the long intro and study to become familiar with your plane. 

This is I really miss in BOS, the deeper implementation of engine start up procedure (I would really like have the option to press all the key sequence for engine start. - Not the mouse clicking cockpit, but by pressing the keyboard keys....) And it will be optional whether U start by pressing E, or if you choose the whole procedure. Because that feeling that you are connected to the plane is bigger, then You also try to survive more than in the current .

 

As someone before said, Yes only taking off and landing are such awesome experience in this simulator, that you really dont need to shoot at all.

 

And with VR the flights in this simulator are always unrepeatable experiences...We play .... what many before us experienced really in the real world war. It hurts often, it killed them often.... and it wasnt fun at all. We can play it and we have the nicest from all of that. We have the possibility just to play. And this I am so happy, that the current world can offer to us. Thanks again to developers.