Macchi C202

[chris455]

I'm curious as to how many folks have taken the time to fly the Folgore and what your impressions were.

Is it what you expected?

How "fun" was it?

Does anyone fly it as their mount of choice?

And finally, how does it perform against the Soviet planes?

I'm thinking of spending some time in this bird and wondering what to expect -

"Ciao"!

[Finkeren]

Performance and handling-wise I'd call it a "poor man's Bf 109F2".

 

Haven't flown it much on account of the absolutely horrendous view from the cockpit. It's so heavy-framed I keep losing sight of the target I'm tracking.

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

Yes, I think the Macchi is comparable in ability to the other planes available, early in the war.

 

Still, it is one beautiful looking plane.

[Cpt_Cool]

Not as good as 109s, but you will hardly be helpless against the Soviets. Maybe the smoothest flyer before the Spitfire released.

[DickDong]

My go to girl

[Rjel]

I love to just fly it. Aerobatics and buzzing airfields is a good time. It's just so under armed.

[Barnacles]

Performance and handling-wise I'd call it a "poor man's Bf 109F2".

 

Haven't flown it much on account of the absolutely horrendous view from the cockpit. It's so heavy-framed I keep losing sight of the target I'm tracking.

In VR the 'heavy-framed' problem goes away.

 

I'm curious as to how many folks have taken the time to fly the Folgore and what your impressions were.

Is it what you expected?

How "fun" was it?

Does anyone fly it as their mount of choice?

And finally, how does it perform against the Soviet planes?

I'm thinking of spending some time in this bird and wondering what to expect -

"Ciao"!

 

Very nice plane, better roll rate than F2, poorer armament and low speed turning ability. Tendancy to snap roll puts a lot of people off.

[=ARTOA=Bombenleger]

I think its really nice, though harder to fly than a 109 but definitely still competitive.
If the gunpods are available i always take them, they really help when shooting down bombers, for figters the 12.7 are great.
The gunpods dont reduce performance as much as one would expect and have a lot of ammo.
Also its a gorgeous plane.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Bombenleger

[Jade_Monkey]

Beautiful and fun but as many already said, it's poorly armed.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I always think that I should put some more stick time into this aircraft as its absolutely fun to fly.

 

I enjoy it every time I take it out. It's not as competitive as the Bf109F-2 is in that planeset but damn its fun!

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

My tendency to get team killed while flying it is a major put off for me.

[Finkeren]

My tendency to get team killed while flying it is a major put off for me.

Must be the large belly radiator.

[InProgress]

I was watching some italian veterans interviews from eastern front and found this video i guess it fits topic and is quite fun

 

When i will get money, i will get mc202 for sure tho i am not fan of fighters it's worth to try something new,

[Herne]

I spent quite a lot of time in it in the early maps of the TAW campaign that just finished. I became very fond of it, took me ages to find the fuel gauge

 

I love the unique handling feeling of the aircraft in BoX

[=ARTOA=Bombenleger]

I spent quite a lot of time in it in the early maps of the TAW campaign that just finished. I became very fond of it, took me ages to find the fuel gauge

 

I love the unique handling feeling of the aircraft in BoX

 

You found it!?   where?

[Herne]

You found it!?   where?

 

Well its not on the instrument panel. Look to the right side of the fuselage and you will see a grey bar coming towards you from the instrument panel. There will be a red marker on that grey bar indicating how much fuel remains.

 

It's so obvious when you see it, but it took me the longest time to see it, even after someone told me where to look for it lol.

[BlitzPig_EL]

It's a long metal scale on the right side of the cockpit with an indicator that slides along it's length as fuel is depleted.

[=ARTOA=Bombenleger]

man that is obvious, and a very nice indicator.
thx

[Godspeed]

I have always loved C202, C205 when i heard it was coming to BOS/M i was so exited.

I have tried to find all kinds of info about the plane and interview of the pilots who used it but there is very few things i have managed to find.

 

Operational history in eastern front and other places.

 

Italians do not make documents about the war mutch and for some reason i have always been intrested about historical info about Italian war efforts in general.

 

Im Finnish and my people used G50 for great success also there was Italian MAS-type torpedo boats with crews in lake ladoga what has mutch info because Finns have made mutch info as possible about everything in WW2. Bit off topic but cant help it

 

Im mostly Bf-110 Pilot but C202 is my second plane i love to use it. Im planning to fly it online soon.

Armament is the weakest point but its not that bad as some people might tell.

 

C202 is lovely aircraft and handling is very good.

 

 

People who knows exiting readable material or videos about Macchi or Italian war efforts in general you can send me message.

It would be nice but i can only read it in English or (Finnish) so keep that in mind.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Godspeed

[KpaxBos]

 

I have always loved C202, C205 when i heard it was coming to BOS/M i was so exited.

I have tried to find all kinds of info about the plane and interview of the pilots who used it but there is very few things i have managed to find.

 

Operational history in eastern front and other places.

 

Italians do not make documents about the war mutch and for some reason i have always been intrested about historical info about Italian war efforts in general.

 

People who knows exiting readable material or videos about Macchi or Italian war efforts in general you can send me message.

It would be nice but i can only read it in English or (Finnish) so keep that in mind.

 

Hello,

 

Why don't you ask on the italian forum ? I am sure you will get answers

 

Good Luck

[chris455]

Can someone enlighten me on the location/operation of the brakes?

Are they differential ?

And which key/ axes do they use?

This bird is so unique in so many ways it seems........I'm having to create a completely new profile for my Warthog unique to this Aircraft, nothing else is similar..

[Herne]

Can someone enlighten me on the location/operation of the brakes?

Are they differential ?

And which key/ axes do they use?

This bird is so unique in so many ways it seems........I'm having to create a completely new profile for my Warthog unique to this Aircraft, nothing else is similar..

 

Well its similar to most allied aircraft in this sim. You have a master brake, which I've bound to the pinky lever on my stick, and then depending on rudder deflection, so long as the brake lever is held, more braking power can be applied to either one side or the other. If no rudder is applied then the braking power is applied equally to both wheels.

Edited July 26, 2017 by herne6210

[chris455]

Thank you Herne,

Do you recall what key you bound to the the pinky lever?

I thought I had tried that......

[crostolo]

 

I have always loved C202, C205 when i heard it was coming to BOS/M i was so exited.

I have tried to find all kinds of info about the plane and interview of the pilots who used it but there is very few things i have managed to find.

 

Operational history in eastern front and other places.

 

Italians do not make documents about the war mutch and for some reason i have always been intrested about historical info about Italian war efforts in general.

 

Im Finnish and my people used G50 for great success also there was Italian MAS-type torpedo boats with crews in lake ladoga what has mutch info because Finns have made mutch info as possible about everything in WW2. Bit off topic but cant help it

 

Im mostly Bf-110 Pilot but C202 is my second plane i love to use it. Im planning to fly it online soon.

Armament is the weakest point but its not that bad as some people might tell.

 

C202 is lovely aircraft and handling is very good.

 

 

People who knows exiting readable material or videos about Macchi or Italian war efforts in general you can send me message.

It would be nice but i can only read it in English or (Finnish) so keep that in mind.

 

 

Take a look at the dedicated topic in the Italian forum

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14434-macchi-mc202-folgore-recupero-dati/

 

Unfortunately (for you) it is written in Italian but google translate could help you a bit.

[Godspeed]

Take a look at the dedicated topic in the Italian forum

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14434-macchi-mc202-folgore-recupero-dati/

 

Unfortunately (for you) it is written in Italian but google translate could help you a bit.

 

Thank you!

I have read Luigi Gorrini interview translated to english about the war time.

Later in war the situation was almost hopeless even harshly outnumbered he still fought bravely.

 

True Ace he was.

[chris455]

I have determined that, contrary to the "opinions" of many of my countrymen, the Italians have always fought bravely, even though in many cases their equipment (and oftentimes leadership) was not necessarily the best.

Their bravery has also often been overlooked by many historians, unfortunately.

[ZachariasX]

I have determined that, contrary to the "opinions" of many of my countrymen, the Italians have always fought bravely, even though in many cases their equipment (and oftentimes leadership) was not necessarily the best.

Their bravery has also often been overlooked by many historians, unfortunately.

The Italians have their own way of doing things. You do certainly find a lot of exceptional individuals as you say. On the organizational level, they started the war with Adolf, went even to Russia and Africa for/with him... and eventually won the war kind of as well, didn't they? I mean who else could possibly do such? They are one of a kind.

[Finkeren]

Their bravery has also often been overlooked by many historians, unfortunately.

Most historians don't really spend too much time on "bravery" as a phenomenon, that's more of a topic for writers of biographies or historical fiction.

[Guest deleted@83466]

When flying the Yak, encounters with Macchis are dangerous and nothing to brush off, but I don't think it is up on the same level with the BF-109's, including the E's.  I don't see Macchis very much, and when I have, I of course I don't know if the pilots flying them are limited by the plane, or by their own skill, but when going up against them I have not felt at all like I was in a lesser fighter plane.  I've taken the Macchi out myself only a few times in multiplayer and it didn't go very well.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Iceworm

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

The Italians have their own way of doing things. You do certainly find a lot of exceptional individuals as you say. On the organizational level, they started the war with Adolf, went even to Russia and Africa for/with him... and eventually won the war kind of as well, didn't they? I mean who else could possibly do such? They are one of a kind.

I don't know, but I've always liked a British assessment that I heard regarding the Americans in North Africa, where they referred to the Americans as "Our Italians".

 

Seems they got a bad rap back then too.

Edited July 27, 2017 by hrafnkolbrandr

[NETSCAPE]

I'm not in the same camp as everyone else on this subject.

 

It's roll rate is awesome, far better than the 109. I must be used to avoiding this "snap role" people always mention. It's never an issue for me.

 

I prefer the 50 cal due to it's very flat trajectory. This makes long distance shots at PE2 for example much easier with consistent accuracy as opposed to the lower velocity 20mm which drops significantly. I really dig the sight aperture too. 

Everyone always states how it's under-gunned. I disagree. The only exception is against the IL-2's. But still even then that's people just flying and firing directly on the IL2s six probably... you need high deflection shots. And if the enemy does their little 'zig zag' game, the 202's roll rate will make for easy targeting. The rof of it's standard MG are nice. I'd only consider taking it with the additional 20mm gunpods if you're specifically hunting for IL-2's...everything else the standard breda's get the job done for sure. 

 

As previously mentioned it is possible to be mistaken for a Soviet though. I'd recommend flying with a skin that has a good amount of yellow on it to signify you're a bro not a foe! 

 

I haven't been playing multiplayer at all really this summer. But if I ever see someone spawn in with a 202 I will hop in one myself though I'm usually a ground pounder.

[Cpt_Cool]

Yeah it does not have devastating firepower but it flies well enough to make up for it (opposite philosophy of the LAGG or P-40). 

Edited July 27, 2017 by Cpt_Cool

[MAJ_stug41]

It's a very fun plane, nice to be able to do silly turnfighting too. Try to pick a non-russian looking skin when flying because it is the only axis plane with a belly radiator and is very easy to mistake for a Russian from the rear.

 

The effectiveness of the guns perplexes me; sometimes they instagib a plane, sometimes they're spaghetti -

[smink1701]

Meh

[Lusekofte]

Tested it on a Finnish server and found it tremendous stable and excellent as a ground pounder . I shot down a LA 5 in it too. I really liked it. I do not fly fighters normally , But I expect I would do much better in it compared to the Russian fighters I tested

[chris455]

It's a very fun plane, nice to be able to do silly turnfighting too. Try to pick a non-russian looking skin when flying because it is the only axis plane with a belly radiator and is very easy to mistake for a Russian from the rear.

 

The effectiveness of the guns perplexes me; sometimes they instagib a plane, sometimes they're spaghetti - https://youtu.be/UABQR17FXx8

 

 

What keypress are you using to zoom in prior to firing? And are you using TrackIR?

[Cybermat47]

Despite it's flaws, I love it

 

[DickDong]

If anyone flys full real and wants to Macchi it up PM. US timezone, fly TAW, Random Exp, and occasionally WOL.

[chris455]

I don't know, but I've always liked a British assessment that I heard regarding the Americans in North Africa, where they referred to the Americans as "Our Italians".

 

Seems they got a bad rap back then too.

Take it with a grain of salt.

The British had a love/hate relationship with the Yanks because, according to American GIs, the Brits were "undersexed, under paid, and under Eisenhower."

 

In truth, the "Italian" comment probably did apply, especially in the early phases of US ground involvement (think Kasserine), but my guess is that the Brits were at least somewhat more appreciative of the Americans than the Germans were of their principle ally-

 

I read once that the majority of the feared Afrika Korps' infantry was made up of Italian regulars- if true, another example of what the Italians were capable of when adequately equipped and led-

 

Meanwhile, back on topic: I have spent a few hours now flying the Folgore and I have to say, as many here have, she is a sweetheart.

I think the biggest problem with the SAFATs may be insufficient attention to marksmanship; when aimed properly and used at convergence range they get the job done rather well.

 

Another question for the masses: do most of you use automatic propeller pitch control, or do you manually adjust for pitch?

I have tried manual only thus far, I like the extra degree of control but am tempted to go auto so I have one less chore to do while flying.

Your thoughts?

 

Cheers-

Edited July 29, 2017 by chris455

[Jade_Monkey]

Another question for the masses: do most of you use automatic propeller pitch control, or do you manually adjust for pitch?

I have tried manual only thus far, I like the extra degree of control but am tempted to go auto so I have one less chore to do while flying.

Your thoughts?

 

Cheers-

For me, using manual on the planes that have auto prop pitch is not worth it. The tiny benefit doesnt compensate for the downside of managing it and paying attention constantly plus possibly making mistakes that auto wouldnt.