Can someone define the distance?

[3./JG15_Kampf]

I recorded with the shadow mode and I would like to know the target distance. Can anyone help? The Gunsight is this default

Edited July 17, 2017 by JAGER_Kampf

[3./JG15_Kampf]

I recorded with the shadow mode and I would like to know the target distance. Can anyone help? The Gunsight is this default

Edited July 17, 2017 by JAGER_Kampf

[Finkeren]

You mean an actual calculated distance?

 

A rough guestimate, I'd say 850-900yd.

[3./JG15_Kampf]

 

 

You mean an actual calculated distance?

 Yes . Sorry for my ignorance, but that equals how many meters?

[kendo]

About 800m

[Finkeren]

Just to be clear: My estimate was a rough guess, not calculated.

[3./JG15_Kampf]

ok thx.Sorry for my confusion I doubled the post by mistake. 

I managed to kill the 109 pilot.

Edited July 17, 2017 by JAGER_Kampf

[Barnacles]

I recorded with the shadow mode and I would like to know the target distance. Can anyone help? The Gunsight is this default

 

Assuming that

 

424 yds and 65 ft wingspan is default

Your target, (nice shot btw) subtends around 1/3.5 of the gunsight markers

small angle approximations

target's wingspan is 32.5ft

 

around 742 yards = 678 meters 

[USMC_Have-Purple]

Too far.... Wait until his cockpit fills your gunsite.   Then give him the whole 8.23 meters.    

[3./JG15_Kampf]

Too far.... Wait until his cockpit fills your gunsite. Then give him the whole 8.23 meters.

I know it's far, even so the pilot of 109 had instant death

[Rjel]

Too far.... Wait until his cockpit fills your gunsite.   Then give him the whole 8.23 meters.    

Harhar. It just doesn't have the same ring in meters.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Which was your convergence?

[3./JG15_Kampf]

400m PHX

Edited July 18, 2017 by JAGER_Kampf

[Wulf]

It looks more like 500 yards/meters to me.  How many times will the wingspan fit inside the ring??

[Livai]

We play math here, do we?

The 109 is more than 600m away. To hit this target not a problem depends how you set up your convergence.

I prefer the white and red range than the yellow one

[Wulf]

Interesting.  So then really impressive shooting with the weapons sighted-in for 400 m/y.  Shooting at over twice the range, trajectory would place the projectiles well below the target and of course, they would have well and truly started to 'diverge' at 800m.  Impressive.  

[Finkeren]

Interesting. So then really impressive shooting with the weapons sighted-in for 400 m/y. Shooting at over twice the range, trajectory would place the projectiles well below the target and of course, they would have well and truly started to 'diverge' at 800m. Impressive.

It looks to be a single, lucky hit. You're not gonna hit with several consecutive rounds, as you will at conversion distance, but a single hit once in a while is to be expected, if you can hit the right approximate elevation.

[3./JG15_Kampf]

I think there are 3 factors that

Luck - she should be here (although good training helps)

Strength of the HS cannon - they have a devastating power

Fragility of the BF 109 - a single hit and the plane is out

[Haza]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Beurling

 

 

"He made a third claim that day, a Messerschmitt, hit from a distance of 800 yards and was credited with three victories in his first proper air battle at Malta.^[17]

 

 

Well this guy appeared to be able to do it at 800 Yards, although I believe in a VC rather than a VB.  I'm sure he had a little bit of luck, with devastating cannon power, against fragile enemy aircraft, so I guess the Axis would have complained that perhaps he was OP!?

 

I watched a History Channel documentary about this guy the other week.  What an amazing ability he had!!

 

 

 

Regards

Edited July 18, 2017 by Haza

[3./JG15_Kampf]

Keep calm Haza. I just mentioned something we have in the game. Or do you disagree that HS are devastating and Bf 109 is fragile in play? I never said anything right or wrong

[Haza]

Keep calm Haza. I just mentioned something we have in the game. Or do you disagree that HS are devastating and Bf 109 is fragile in play? I never said anything right or wrong

Keep calm? I mearly attached the bio and a documentary about a Spitfire pilot who had an amazing ability and was credited with a real 800yrd kill. The doco is really interesting, just a pity that he was a Canadian (only kidding,maple country guys).

Edited July 18, 2017 by Haza

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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so I guess the Axis would have complained that perhaps he was OP!?

 

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Keep calm? I mearly attached the bio and a documentary about a...

 

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Keep calm and leave the shitposting at the door.

[Wulf]

"A really lean mean killing machine".  Yeah, maybe, but in all probability a bit of a head case.  So addicted to the killing that he was eventually sent home.  A great pilot but mentally unfit.  They didn't call him 'Screwball' for nothing.

 

Now, I understand the 800+ meter shot was a PK.  Assuming the pilot's head plate was fitted, do we know if a HS 20 mm AP round would penetrate a 109s armour  at 800+ meters??  I'd have thought that would be a bit optimistic. 

[Caudron431]

I think there are 3 factors that

Luck - she should be here (although good training helps)

Strength of the HS cannon - they have a devastating power

Fragility of the BF 109 - a single hit and the plane is out

Another factor is the relatively slow speed and very predictable trajectory escaping 109s use  when in trouble. It's always the same pattern, so to me it's no surprise that after a while people are getting good at those long distance shots. I guess the 109 pilots won't like the P-38 in these situations: 4 50 cals in the nose  plus high velocity Hispano its going to be awesomely crazy.

 

Just as crazy as all those extremely skilled 109 pilots able to land lethal hits at very high deflection angles BTW.

 

IMO that's the fun of simulators, against pilots with many1000s of hours of flying and shooting you just cannot stick to the WW2 proven wisdom. You also have to be lucky and creative sometimes.

 

Nice shot BTW

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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Assuming the pilot's head plate was fitted, do we know if a HS 20 mm AP round would penetrate a 109s armour  at 800+ meters??

 

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Another thing to consider is firing angle for an HS cannon harmonized at 400m, firing to a distance of 800m - the shot may not have entered dead astern but through the back of the canopy at an angle crossing over the pilot.

 

It's a bit of a stretch but I could see the right hand side HS and 303s being especially dastardly at PKing in this instance based on the sight picture from OP.

[Wulf]

Another thing to consider is firing angle for an HS cannon harmonized at 400m, firing to a distance of 800m - the shot may not have entered dead astern but through the back of the canopy at an angle crossing over the pilot.

 

It's a bit of a stretch but I could see the right hand side HS and 303s being especially dastardly at PKing in this instance based on the sight picture from OP.

 

 

Yeah, but there's another potential issue.  What do the respective trajectories of .303 (Brit) and HS 20 mm look like?  They certainly won't be the same so although it's going to be possible to get the two to converge at a single point in space (400 m in this case), at a range of 800 + m  I suspect they'd be on entirely different planets.  

[3./JG15_Kampf]