Beginner

[Baifo]

Hello! Im am new to flight combat sims. I have only played World of Tanks and I enjoyes it for years . Now Im thinking of give a try to Air combat sims, World of Warplanes se to be an easy way to start for one starting for level 0 as me, but I wonder if this sim let a begginer to start fr scratch and enjoy the sim At the same time you learn how to fly it . Is it possible in this sim or is targeted just for those experienced virtual pilotos?

The in advance!

[RedEye_Jeroll]

Friend

 

Look this and found help in here. Engage a squadron virtual, exist school fly, etc:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/17-virtual-squadrons/

Edited December 13, 2013 by RedEye_Jeroll

[Baifo]

Thank you very much!

[siipperi]

It's all about willingest to learn the sim. I bet most of this forum's users started flying with that era "hc"-sims. If you don't want to learn you never will, but if you give it a time and want to learn there is no problem at all. Just make sure you have some kind of joystick. Logitech Force 3D is pretty good to start with if you don't have any. Without joystick it really gets frustrating.

[Finkeren]

The single player part of a hard core flight sim, can be eased into by gradually increasing "realism" settings.

 

Honestly though, it's propably going to be a bit of an uphill battle, if you have absolutely no flight sim experience.

 

I'll give you a bit of advice (and I'm propably gonna catch a bit of flak for this) but it would be a good idea for you to start out with something more basic, that can teach you the basics and give you a chance to learn to handle a flight stick without too steep a learning curve.

 

War Thunder is an arcade game to be sure, but it's free and if your experience is zero, it can teach you basic stuff, while you wait for BoS to come out. Once you feel secure in WT on "full real" (which is still a far cry from a real sim) you can try out the F2P version of Rise Of Flight, which is a World War 1 flight simulator built on an earlier version of the engine used in BoS and can get you an idea of, what BoS feels like.

 

I hope you're going to find it worth the effort to really learn to handle a flight sim, but jumping right into it might be too much of an exercise in frustration.

[W1ndy]

The single player part of a hard core flight sim, can be eased into by gradually increasing "realism" settings.

 

Honestly though, it's propably going to be a bit of an uphill battle, if you have absolutely no flight sim experience.

 

I'll give you a bit of advice (and I'm propably gonna catch a bit of flak for this) but it would be a good idea for you to start out with something more basic, that can teach you the basics and give you a chance to learn to handle a flight stick without too steep a learning curve.

 

War Thunder is an arcade game to be sure, but it's free and if your experience is zero, it can teach you basic stuff, while you wait for BoS to come out. Once you feel secure in WT on "full real" (which is still a far cry from a real sim) you can try out the F2P version of Rise Of Flight, which is a World War 1 flight simulator built on an earlier version of the engine used in BoS and can get you an idea of, what BoS feels like.

 

I hope you're going to find it worth the effort to really learn to handle a flight sim, but jumping right into it might be too much of an exercise in frustration.

 

Good advice I think, adn the other hting is that flight simming needs a lot of hardware. Stick, pedals, trakIR - not essential, but ultimately you will have these if you keep going. 

 

If you try WThunder you can see how much hardware is suitable for you.   BoS with a keyboard and mouse would be very hard.

[ll./JG77_JadeBandit]

I would recommend Warthunder to get your feet wet, then Rise of Flight to get a feel for a more realistic simulator, that should get you well and prepared for BOS since its the same team working on both ROF and BOS.

Also I strongly suggest getting some kind of head tracking if you don't already have it, you can build one yourself or buy one if you got the money.

 

: TrackIR - if you can afford it, about $180.00 USD if you get the latest version, comes with IR camera and headset.

 

Pros - simple to setup and use

 

Cons - expensive

 

: FaceTrackNoIR - Free software, turns a cheap webcam into a motion tracking head device (playstation3 or 4 webcam recommended about $20.00 USD), with this software you can use the camera to track your face movements, you can build or buy a IR headset to use with it as well (track clip pro, Delan clip) or build one for almost nothing if you know how to solder/hot glue and have some basic circuit knowledge.

 

Pros - Very cheap

 

Cons - Can be time consuming to make and calibrate, Facetracking is not as accurate as IR tracking so if you want the best performance you will need to make or buy an IR/reflective head set to use with this software.

 

I am currently using FaceTrackNoIR with the facetracking api at the moment while I build my IR headset, but it's working really well and its a hell of a lot better then using the hat switch to look around, I'll post some links to get you started.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNnkXiBT_Y

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybyb_zKjNbU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QqAqb_SZV0

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/how-tos/how_build_your_own_ir_head_tracker?page=0,0

 

http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm

 

You can also use a Wii remote for a camera if you already have one, the link on how to do that is here

 

http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbelXx-3dMA

Edited December 13, 2013 by ScottyOnTheSpot

[Emgy]

Let's not scare people away, you can still enjoy flightsims without headtracking . But +111 what Scotty said, it's not that hard to setup Facetracknoir with a cheap camera and cheap IR clip.

 

About World of Warplanes (and WT arcade mode), that's like preparing for a Bf 109 by flying a Tie Fighter, you will not learn anything useful. Rise of Flight is much better for a new virtual pilot, you can easily set up a practice fight vs an AI fighter or bomber.

WT full real mode if you want to jump straight into multiplayer. But I think aerial gunnery is much better practiced in an offline game where you can set up a "shooting range" of some bombers flying in formation. Walk before you run etc.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Calvamos

[Mac_Messer]

Hello! Im am new to flight combat sims. I have only played World of Tanks and I enjoyes it for years . Now Im thinking of give a try to Air combat sims, World of Warplanes se to be an easy way to start for one starting for level 0 as me, but I wonder if this sim let a begginer to start fr scratch and enjoy the sim At the same time you learn how to fly it . Is it possible in this sim or is targeted just for those experienced virtual pilotos?

The in advance!

This game is meant to be a flight sim. So no WT stuff here. The learning curve should be a bit steep, though we can`t really say anything for sure until it goes gold.

But bear in mind that sims like that lure the best of people from all round the world. I`m sure that all your beginner troubles at flying can be quickly resolved by finding an online squad. They will get you up and running in no time.

Just stick around, and if this game goes BIG, you could be surprised how good some game communities are.

[BeastyBaiter]

To play a flight sim you at a minimum need a halfway decent joystick. You do not need pedals, throttle quadrants or trackIR. Don't let some of the above posters scare you off with such things. Anyways, I recommend you give Rise of Flight a try. It uses a previous version of this game's engine as said and being first world war, the planes are much simpler to operate. The basic free package includes the Albatross D.Va, which although a mediocre plane, is ideal for a novice. It is forgiving and incredibly simple to use. I know the first world war doesn't interest that many people, but it is a good starting point just to learn the basics of flight and how to fight.

 

And that is biggest issue you will run into, just learning to fly. The thing about sims is they try to mimic real life. So when you take up a proper combat flight sim, you can't just jump into a dogfight straight away. You have to learn to fly first. It's like learning to drive. Your first drive isn't in an 800HP super car on a race track, it's in a parking lot with an under powered clunker. Anyways, there are many tutorials for basic flight in RoF, I suggest Requiems videos on youtube. This is one for the Albatross:

 

 

 

 

WT is also an option if you just really hate the slow speed of WW1 planes. It too is F2P but uses a much less detailed and more forgiving physics engine. You will have fewer frustrations learning to takeoff and land using full aircraft control but it also lacks a decent SP mode, so you'll be doing your first combat sorties against humans instead of relatively stupid AI. You would also have to relearn many skills when moving over to something more advanced like this.

 

You can of course just dive in here too, but it will be a hard first few days. The game is also an alpha restricted to a few days access at a time without any real "game" elements to it atm. It will be a couple months before we really get into the meat of it.

[Furio]

I partly agree with Finkeren.

 

If you want to have fun without spending money in equipment (a joystick is mandatory) and time in learning, then go for WT. However, I don’t think WT can teach you anything really useful. BoS, like any other real simulator, requires you learning to fly in the first place. It’s not that difficult, but at times it’s counter-intuitive. For example, WT training mission tell you that “throttle controls speed”, which is basically untrue in prop driven planes.

 

With BoS, fun and satisfaction come exactly from that: discovering that you control speed by attitude – with joystick – and altitude with throttle, and all other little “secrets” of flying.

[Finkeren]

I disagree about WT Furio.

 

If the OP has absolutely no flight sim experience, then there is definately something he can learn from a game like WT, before moving on to an actual sim.

 

We are talking about really basic stuff like "which way does the nose go, if I push the stick" as well as some basic deflection shooting etc.

 

It's true, that if you stick too long with a game like WT you can learn some bad habits which are detrimental in a real sim, but as an "introductory course", I think it works fine and is more accessible than just RoF/BoS on 'easy' settings.

[siipperi]

I disagree about WT Furio.

If the OP has absolutely no flight sim experience, then there is definately something he can learn from a game like WT, before moving on to an actual sim.

We are talking about really basic stuff like "which way does the nose go, if I push the stick" as well as some basic deflection shooting etc.

It's true, that if you stick too long with a game like WT you can learn some bad habits which are detrimental in a real sim, but as an "introductory course", I think it works fine and is more accessible than just RoF/BoS on 'easy' settings.

I would say exactly same thing as you if person didn't have barely any gaming experience.

Personally if I must suggest to test out rof/bos or wt, it really comes down if person is willing to purchase 30-40€ joystick before testing the game. It would be good to test wt first to see if you like flight sim genre and then if he does then quickly switch to bos. Luckily people have now free option(s) to discover if they like the genre at all before buying hardware. But as far can you learn how to fly in simulation game from WT without the stick? I think you really can't

 

And don't be afraid all those posts about trackIR, you won't need it. I didn't have it for the first 15 years but once I bought it I can't go back. So prepare to it.

[FlatSpinMan]

If you do try RoF, just remember that planes are very light and low-powered, so the sensation of speed will be different.

Also, they're easy to break - wings snapping off in dives, etc.

 

As for equipment, I'm agree that you don't need head tracking stuff, really just a joystick.

[Baifo]

Well, it has been overwhelming for me to get so many helpful answers so quickly. I have not been idle these last 24 hours. Probably you think Im mad, but now I have installed both War Thunder and The Rise of Flight.  I , this is even worse, have found a guy selling his equipment on the internet right here in my city, so now, for half the price  on the stores, I have installed a Hotas Warthog + Saitek rudder pedals + TrackIR 5....... I have started the entry lessons in both of them and enjoyed a lot by doing it. I would like to grind for months  again ala WOT to get the plane I want in War Thunder, so I feel prone to insist on ROF, but after searching the web I have found that in Spain there are a very few flying theses sims a a lot of people still with IL-2 with mods.....I have sent an application the Patrulla Azul to be admitted as recruit ans asking at the same time for advice about what to do. If they ask me to do it, I probably will buy IL-2 1946 to be able to get to their Flight Academy. I of course will keep on visiting this so nice comunity and hope to be able to fly by some of you, before seeing myself on flames, in a few months. Thank you very much!!!!!!

[dburne]

You certainly have some great equipment now to start with, have fun!

[ph1317]

Getting IL-2 1946 is a very good choice.

Amazing amount of planes, maps etc. you can use while waiting for the release day of this sim.

[DD_fruitbat]

il2 1946 with HSFX7 is still awesome.

[Baifo]

Well, I have been conditonally accepted in La Patrulla Azul. I must show emotion and devoción for a couple of months before become a full member. Makes sense. They have been also very nice and seems to be a medium diez group of Experten. Tonight U will start the work to get the IL-2 yo the last patch and HSFX.

The again! I will keep on visiting this Forum!

Sorry about auto correction mistakes: Size not diez and I not U.....