Shot by AI after ejecting....

[Bilbosmeggins]

Played a quick mission and got shot down my a BF109.  Nothing new there.  But I ejected, and was floating down to earth  when I noticed that a field gun was shooting in my direction.  My first instinct was to look around to see what plane he was trying to target.  He wasn't, he was targeting me!  He continued to fire until I was slumped dead in my parachute harness.  

 

This both shocked and surprised me.  If it had of been a human player that had shot me I wouldn't have been surprised, because I know that online ethics can sometimes be a little shaky.  But to have the AI acting in this way was a revelation.  There were certain codes adhered to by real-life combatants.  I'm not complaining, as war was, and is, an ugly thing that often brings out the worst in people.  Is this normal AI behaviour?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

It is warlike behavior. The Bolsheviki take no prisoners, only corpses or labour! 

Edited July 16, 2017 by 1CAG_Fenris_Wolf

[19//Moach]

they do that....

 

 

war is hell, or so they say 

[Bilbosmeggins]

The scoundrels 

[Livai]

after ejecting.... you need a parachute? Someone is shooting at you! Great, that's the ticket back to home! Do it how I do it........................with style!!!!!!
 

Edited July 16, 2017 by Livai

[Cybermat47]

You're an enemy. A helpless enemy, but still an enemy. The AI is programmed to attack any enemy it can see. I've been seriously damaged by T-34 machine guns on several occasions.

[Danziger]

The German AI will hunt you down mercilessly as well.

[Feathered_IV]

Interesting that other aeroplanes don't though.

[No_85_Gramps]

Yeah, I've been taken out while enjoying the slow, peaceful descent by parachute. Although, it is kind of neat watching the bullets fly-by and hoping you don't get hit.

[Bilbosmeggins]

Guess it would be better if it happened occasionally, and could be put down to rogue gunners.  Shame it's guaranteed as it does take away a little slice of authenticity.

[Livai]

Even if you parachuting you can take down every plane or AAA gun with nothing but a handgun!

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Gripping eastern front realism!

[Bilbosmeggins]

Did a bit of reading around on the subject, and it was considered exceedingly unsportsmanlike between the Germans and British.  However, there was the opinion that a parachutist over his own territory could be considered a valid target, as he would still be a future threat once he got back to base.  Things were different on the Eastern Front, but it still wasn't a hard and fast, 100% rule that they be shot at.  But it was more prevailent.  While I was hunting around I came across this video which chilled me to the bone......

 

[CUJO_1970]

Normally I don't do this but if I catch a vulcher that bails I will chute-kill him online if I can.

 

Did it to an IL/2 pilot online yesterday. He typed a bunch of stuff in Russian over chat, but I'm not sure what it meant

[Sokol1]

Russian combat description: 

 

 

Shoot at takeoff planes

Shoot at parachute

 

War, war never changes.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Sokol1

[Bilbosmeggins]

Wow!!  That's an amazing document.  I wonder if any of the Russian speakers on here could translate the text for us?  Would be very interesting.

[OrLoK]

Wow!!  That's an amazing document.  I wonder if any of the Russian speakers on here could translate the text for us?  Would be very interesting.

yeah, plus its incomplete, you can see at least two more boxes of drawings cut off at the bottom.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Did a bit of reading around on the subject, and it was considered exceedingly unsportsmanlike between the Germans and British.  However, there was the opinion that a parachutist over his own territory could be considered a valid target, as he would still be a future threat once he got back to base.  Things were different on the Eastern Front, but it still wasn't a hard and fast, 100% rule that they be shot at.  But it was more prevailent.  While I was hunting around I came across this video which chilled me to the bone......

 

 

 

*Flies cover for bombers annihilating entire cities, untold civilians*

 

*Is shocked and outraged when air defense pilot shoots bomber crew in their parachutes*

 

LOL, ok buddy.  Dieter Dengler understood the suffering he had helped inflict when he was shot down and captured, I suppose this guy missed his chance at a similar education.

 

 

 

More on topic, of course the AI shoots to kill.  It's practicing for the machine takeover!

Edited July 18, 2017 by 7-GvShAP/Silas

[-SF-Disarray]

Russian combat description: 

 

 

Shoot at takeoff planes

Shoot at parachute

 

War, war never changes.

The first box is a list of names and wing-man pairs, likely the men of the unit. The unit is named the 227th Air Fighter Group of the 68th Guards Air Regiment. That makes them heavy hitters if I remember my Soviet OOB correctly. The second box, on the top shows the standard pree-combat formation they used. If I had to judge, the planes at the bottom left are taking off, the ones in the top right are falling in, or they could be flying rotating cover for the formation, and the rest are already in formation. The last box on the top row depicts attacking an airfield, specifically the Tuleblya airfield I think. Ether that or Tuleblya is the name for the tactic. The first panel of the bottom row is a depiction of one of the members of the squad shooting down a FW-190, I think the pilot's name was Magerina, the Soviet. The second panel on the bottom depicts a different pilot, Vabolotnovo, killing another 190. The last panel that can be seen depicts one Cpt. Logutenko killing a third 190. I can't make sense of the rank abbreviation for the first two men.

 

Based on what I can see here, this seems to be an after action report, not instructional material. If that is the case the attack occurred on the 29th of August, 1943. With more of the document I could be more certain, the title is cut off at the top. Knowing what I know about the Eastern Front of WW2, I'm not supersized to see this kind of thing in a report like this, both sides took off the kid gloves for this fight, and shooting a pilot out of his parachute is tame compared to some of the stories I've seen in official documents from the war.

Edited July 18, 2017 by Disarray

[Danziger]

I'm not supersized by any of it anymore.

[Bilbosmeggins]

Thanks Disarray.  Taken at face value, I would have assumed it to be a general tactics poster.  Most interesting that it is, in fact, a post-combat analysis.  So this doesn't exactly promote the shooting of parachutists, merely records an event of it happening?

 

I haven't come across that looping tactic in panel 2 before.  I guess, if you're coming in too fast and are going to overshoot the plane(s) taking off, it would be a good, and quick, way to come round again without re-aligning.  I shall try it when the situation presents itself.

[Bilbosmeggins]

*Flies cover for bombers annihilating entire cities, untold civilians*

 

*Is shocked and outraged when air defense pilot shoots bomber crew in their parachutes*

 

LOL, ok buddy.  Dieter Dengler understood the suffering he had helped inflict when he was shot down and captured, I suppose this guy missed his chance at a similar education.

 

 

 

More on topic, of course the AI shoots to kill.  It's practicing for the machine takeover!

 

 

I don't know...  He wasn't escorting bombers for a chuckle, he was following orders as a pilot in a war.  I'm sure he would rather have been at home, and the world have been at peace.  I don't think it's fair to condemn his role.  As regards his actions, it is difficult to rationalise the thought process of a man who is fighting for his life, and the lives of others.  The situation would have been unbelievably stressful, and incredibly adrenalin fuelled.  Pilots, since WW1, had considered themselves to be noble knights of the air.  And this guy saw that etiquette being abused in the most brutal manner.  I would agree that his method of retribution was incredibly harsh, but can definitely see his point.  Hopefully, none of us will ever be even close to making the decisions that countless soldiers, sailors and pilots had to during that awful time.

[-SF-Disarray]

I think the key distinction that, to my mind, helps explain the P-51 pilot's reaction is that he could see the people being shot. Psychology is funny that way, when we can see what we identify as another person we tend to get all emotional about things. But when we can't see what we recognize as people, like when we are thousands of feet in the air above a city for example, we don't seem to mind doing all manner of unpleasant things, dropping tons of bombs for example, or helping others drop the bombs. Plus you have to factor in the relationships at play. The bombers were bombing the enemy. The enemy, as we all know, are the bad guys so bombing them is a good thing. The 109 pilot was also the enemy, so killing bomber crew, the good guys, is also bad. So the P-51 pilot was stopping a bad man from doing bad things to good people, at least that is how he would describe it. It all makes a crazy kind of sense when you step back and look at it through the proper lenses.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Sportsmanship plays no part in a real war.

The silliest mockery of war was ww1 Christmas dinner over trenches.

[Rjel]

maybe we should get back small scale wars to get rid of overpopulation and improve the genepool, thats the side effect of nukes nature doesnt follow its most probable course any more

 

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wait, sorry i dont watch the news

Be careful what you wish raaaid. You might end up in the wrong gene pool.