That's start looking a real "il-2".

[Sokol1]

Yes!

 

2:20s.

 

 

"Я люблю снимать парашюты на утро, кажется, что ... победа!"

 

Sokol1

[=38=Tatarenko]

disgraceful

[II./JG27_Rich]

+1

[Uufflakke]

@Sokol1:

You should have added something like this: "No human beings were harmed in the making of this film".

 

As a kind of warning, before someone starts to get mad again, and again, about some pixels on a screen.   

[=38=Tatarenko]

Well it's the dodgy Russian underneath the video too ....

[arjisme]

Would be cool if the game AI could "remember" who the chute killers are and deal out the same to them when they have to bail.

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Stupid waste of ammunition.

[Blakhart]

disgraceful

 

 

Negative.

 

Its OstFront, no mercy...

 

Used to it...

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

disgraceful

a) it's an AI

b) it'a a bunch of pixels

 

 

If it was multiplayer and a "real player" then I too would react....but very little ... It's a game

Edited December 12, 2013 by F19_Klunk

[ll./JG77_JadeBandit]

 I can't imagine this didn't happen during the siege of Stalingrad, there was no love loss between these two forces. Russians hated the Germans for the damage and betrayal they inflicted to the Russian people during the start of the invasion and likewise the Germans thought the Russians to be sub-human, it was rumored that Hitler wanted the Russian people subjected to the same treatment as the Jewish and ultimately be wiped off the planet, this could be chalked up to Russian propaganda, but needless to say the Russian people would have suffered horribly under Nazi occupation.

 

You have to understand, the Russians were surrounded, there was no escape for the Russian military and ultimately the people, Stalingrad was the mecca and cultural hub of Russia, if it fell then so did the country, this was beyond desperate. Most resigned to the fact that this is where they would die regardless of the outcome of the outcome of the war. Every living German was just one more cog in the Nazi war machine that was hell bent on subjugating the Russian people and it's resources.

 

 I think if I were in the same situation I would shoot down some Nazi's if I had the chance, I wonder if there will be an achievement you can get...

Edited December 12, 2013 by ScottyOnTheSpot

[=38=Tatarenko]

 Stalingrad was the mecca and cultural hub of Russia

 

What?? Where do you get this nonsense????

 

It had the largest tractor factory and lay on the Volga and therefore could not easily be bypassed. But Mecca and cultural hub????

 

Did a single noteworthy cultural figure live there? Did a single notable cultural event take place there? Do you have any idea how far it is from Moscow etc?

[=38=Tatarenko]

 

 

You have to understand, the Russians were surrounded, there was no escape for the Russian military and ultimately the people,

 

Also rubbish. The Russians could have evacuated Stalingrad very easily. There were pontoon bridges over the Volga as well as boats. If you can drive huge quantities of guns, tanks, ammo, hundreds of thousands of troops and tonnes of fuel and food one way then you can easily evacuate the other way. 

 

It is massively to their credit that they didn't!

Edited December 13, 2013 by =38=Tatarenko

[=38=Tatarenko]

Ah - it has just occurred to me. You think Stalingrad is Leningrad. Now it kinda makes sense, even if your assumptions are still off.

 

Stalingrad (=Tsaritsyn = Volgograd) is neither a cultural hub not was it surrounded in WW2. Leningrad (=Petrograd = St Petersburg) was a cultural hub and was surrounded.

 

If you're going to tell us what we have to understand, it helps to have the faintest idea which city you're talking about.

[Allons]

Disgraceful - this sim is simulating planes and techniques, not hate and disgracefulness. Behaviour like this is discrediting our hobby, our personalities and the developers work - i won´t let me get associated with such sinister appearance. Best, Allons!  

[Rama]

Please, no moral dispute there.

[RedEye_Jeroll]

This is a game.

This is a site of the game.

Just it.

 

Historical debates need historical sources and historians - fonts.

Obs.

 

Russia defeat German nazi and nothing change this. 

Edited December 13, 2013 by RedEye_Jeroll

[Scarecrow]

Oh the humanity!

[ll./JG77_JadeBandit]

Ah - it has just occurred to me. You think Stalingrad is Leningrad. Now it kinda makes sense, even if your assumptions are still off.

 

Stalingrad (=Tsaritsyn = Volgograd) is neither a cultural hub not was it surrounded in WW2. Leningrad (=Petrograd = St Petersburg) was a cultural hub and was surrounded.

 

If you're going to tell us what we have to understand, it helps to have the faintest idea which city you're talking about.

 

 

 

Yes your right, Leningrad > Stalingrad as far as culture and it was the Germans that were eventually surrounded not the Russians , but your wrong about being able to evacuate Stalingrad however. Kiev had fallen, if they pulled out of the city it would have cost them the river and important supply lines, not only that but the main attack would have then been focused on Moscow which would have allowed the Germans to condense their front, letting armored divisions rejoin their infantry regiments, which might have put an end to any chance of a Russian counter attack. 

 

 So the point still stands, there was no retread or surrender for the soldier of Stalingrad, so I don't know why anyone would be shocked that this is in the game. A Game it is though so no reason to get upset about it, its an aerial tea bag, I probably wouldn't do it unless someone gave me reason to, but its going to happen to you at some point or another if they leave it in the game, so no reason to get mad about it.

Edited December 13, 2013 by ScottyOnTheSpot

[=38=Tatarenko]

OK, so now that Stalingrad isn't a cultural hub or surrounded and could have been evacuated but wasn't - you want to tell us some more stuff?

 

1) Kiev. WTF? It is 1000km from Stalingrad and has nothing to do with it. It was taken a year earlier. Have you any idea of the distances?

 

2) Yes, losing Stalingrad would have been bad. They could have evacuated but they didn't. Would Russia still have survived? Yes.

 

3) You write "the main attack would have then been focused on Moscow". Not true at all. Firstly the front was heading the other way because of Operation Mars, Zhukov's big counteroffensive against Army Group Centre. It was an operation as big as Stalingrad but isn't well known because it failed so the Russians glossed over it later. Secondly the strategic target wasn't Moscow but the oil in Azerbaijan, so the front would have been expanded instead of condensing. In fact Army Group South had split in two by the stage with the northern groups in Stalingrad and the southern armies in the Caucasus. So no, they would not have focused on Moscow.

 

4) As for shooting parachutes - we are simulating being pilots. If you want to simulate being a cnut, your choice.

[JimmyGiro]

What value are morals if they are not tested; and isn't that one of the functions of playing games?

 

Each circumstance warrants its own outcome. If I saw Harriet Harman, dangling from a chute over the Steppes, I'd use 20 mm cannon, naturally.

 

I recall in the old Gennadich server for IL2, that the rolling stats would be dramatically effected if you were killed, even in a chute; it was part of that 'game' environment, which added to the excitement.

 

As of BOS, I would like to see chute deployment as part of the game. For example, the key combination for bailing out could be pressed again to deploy chute, so that the player chooses to risk guns by early deployment, or the ground impact for late deployment of chute. And if the 'running sequence' were implemented on touch down, as in the original IL2, there would be howls of excitement from trying to hit, or avoid, strafing of a grounded opponent's avatar. Maybe, if the game could handle it, having rudimentary 'aswd' control of the running ground avatar, as they try to survive for 120 seconds say, until safely re-spawned.

Edited December 13, 2013 by JimmyGiro

[ll./JG77_JadeBandit]

OK, so now that Stalingrad isn't a cultural hub or surrounded and could have been evacuated but wasn't - you want to tell us some more stuff?

 

1) Kiev. WTF? It is 1000km from Stalingrad and has nothing to do with it. It was taken a year earlier. Have you any idea of the distances?

 

2) Yes, losing Stalingrad would have been bad. They could have evacuated but they didn't. Would Russia still have survived? Yes.

 

3) You write "the main attack would have then been focused on Moscow". Not true at all. Firstly the front was heading the other way because of Operation Mars, Zhukov's big counteroffensive against Army Group Centre. It was an operation as big as Stalingrad but isn't well known because it failed so the Russians glossed over it later. Secondly the strategic target wasn't Moscow but the oil in Azerbaijan, so the front would have been expanded instead of condensing. In fact Army Group South had split in two by the stage with the northern groups in Stalingrad and the southern armies in the Caucasus. So no, they would not have focused on Moscow.

 

4) As for shooting parachutes - we are simulating being pilots. If you want to simulate being a cnut, your choice.

 

Kiev is the reason why Moscow was able to be reinforced, and the oil fields had been torched In the Caucasus, and they were preparing to do the same in Baku it would have been taken awhile to repair them to functionality,  You don't know the outcome if they had pulled out of Stalingrad so saying Moscow would have fallen or not is just your opinion. I'm not here to argue historical facts with you, it's obvious you know more about the eastern front then I do, still doesn't make my point any less valid.

 

I haven't read much if anything about the mars offensive, I'll need to check that out. As far as the shooting down chutes, I think its great that its in the game, no point I  pulling punches the more realistic the better imo. Plus it would be awesome if you could recreate the ending to Paths of Hate in the game

 

Hey no hard feelings btw, I don't mind getting into a dispute over strategy and war ethics but no reason for the conversation to get heated and turn into an argument.

Edited December 13, 2013 by ScottyOnTheSpot

[Mac_Messer]

4) As for shooting parachutes - we are simulating being pilots. If you want to simulate being a c__t your choice.

You are so right Sir!

 

S!

[ParaB]

 

I haven't read much if anything about the mars offensive, I'll need to check that out.

 

Read "Zhukov's Greatest Defeat" by Glantz. And while you're at it, get everything else from Glantz.

 

[ll./JG77_JadeBandit]

Read "Zhukov's Greatest Defeat" by Glantz. And while you're at it, get everything else from Glantz.

 

Thanks!