Beatiful Spitfire

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

I have just downloaded the new Mk 5 Spit, and she's beautiful, thanks   

[Finkeren]

It's the turnfighter, horizontal and vertical, the amount of Gs it can pull is out of this world.

[wtornado]

I am torn if the Kuban deluxe edition was just 10 bucks less I would Paypal the damn thing.

 

I am too used to be spoiled by STEAM.

 

If we buy it directly off the IL-2 site instead of STEAM for a pre-release they should give us another 10$ off 

 

That Spitfire release is getting on my nerves.

[Finkeren]

I am torn if the Kuban deluxe edition was just 10 bucks less I would Paypal the damn thing.

 

Oh the irony. BoK Premium was $10 less just yesterday because of the sale. Now it's back to normal price.

[Wulf]

The thing is just stunningly beautiful to state the obvious.  I intend spending the next few hours locked in external view.

[wtornado]

All too high I guess I will wait until BOP comes out.

 

You have to be patient with the new Il-2 producers.

 

I will pay 60$ U.S.and not

more for a pre-release.

 

That is what i paid for my ARMA 3 releases

 

I am in Physiotherapy with my right hand so I

haven't the time to fly as much as I would like

or that the hand lets me unless I buy a left

handed stick and learn to fly all over again..

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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You have to be patient with the new Il-2 producers.

 

I will pay 60$ U.S.and not

more for a pre-release.

 

-snip-

 

We're all plenty patient with a group of guys who are doing a damned good job building a sim and supporting an engine with very little resources or margin for error and not charging enough for what they do.

[Blitzen]

Pix? Vids?

[Dutchvdm]

We're all plenty patient with a group of guys who are doing a damned good job building a sim and supporting an engine with very little resources or margin for error and not charging enough for what they do.

 

70 dollar's is a extremely decent price for a full release in a market that's in a small niche. 

I will pay 60$ U.S.and not

more for a pre-release.

 

It's good to have principles, but sometimes it's better to just let them go... You are only one affected by this. 

 

Grt M

Edited July 6, 2017 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[CanadaOne]

We're all plenty patient with a group of guys who are doing a damned good job building a sim and supporting an engine with very little resources or margin for error and not charging enough for what they do.

I feel like I am paying a premium price for this sim. On the other hand, I feel like I am getting a premium product.

 

Fair enough.

[Dutchvdm]

I feel like I am paying a premium price for this sim. On the other hand, I feel like I am getting a premium product.

 

Fair enough.

 

I think it's all in the total quantity they can sell it. Compared to bigger triple A releases the sales numbers are pretty low. And those games cost 60 dollars easily for the default version. 

 

Grt M

[Finkeren]

Pix? Vids?

 

It pulls lead on the target very nicely.

 

[Nicolaas5000]

Well done...she's a beauty!!

[216th_Jordan]

Well if there should ever be proper tutorials and a demo version available they might consider dropping the price an additional 20% maybe. Likely more people would buy it then and the more expansions there will be it would also make it easier for starters who like this sim but don't want to pay 250 for the whole product. (it would still be 200) I'd welcome it although it is of course nowhere near my position )

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Yes she is a beauty, only negative thing I can say is the sound. But that goes for all the ac's.

[wtornado]

We're all plenty patient with a group of guys who are doing a damned good job building a sim and supporting an engine with very little resources or margin for error and not charging enough for what they do.

With the money they are getting from this game if they truly are a small group they will go well beyond Battle of the Pacific.

 

I have seen no publicity anywhere on this game besides steam they have no DVD production just digital downloads and they

are charged for what they sell and this forum and their store sight.

 

They are doing fine.

 

 

They are well aware that the total cost is hurting them for someone that wants to start flight simming today.

 

If they were not doing that well 1C Company would not be footing the development.

[216th_Jordan]

With the money they are getting from this game if they truly are a small group they will go well beyond Battle of the Pacific.

 

I have seen no publicity anywhere on this game besides steam they have no DVD production just digital downloads and they

are charged for what they sell and this forum and their store sight.

 

They are doing fine.

 

 

They are well aware that the total cost is hurting them for someone that wants to start flight simming today.

 

If they were not doing that well 1C Company would not be footing the development.

 

It was stated more than once that it is NOT yet clear if pacific will work out as this depends on how much money will be gained by this iteration (BoK). The Team has 20-30 members, no you can calculate yourself howmuch of running costs they have just for paying their developers per month and how many copys need to be sold to just fill that. So lets say they need to pay their personel ~50000$ per month, given 70 Euro for BoK in preorder 715 Units would have to be sold every month to break even when just focusing on BoK sales and leaving the others out. And well, it likely sells half that number in preorders.

Or do you have more info than me? 

Edited July 7, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[Spitfir3]

Sorry for the crap picture quality, I'm still new to IL-2 BOS

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

A map, a campaign, assets and 10 aircraft produced in a years time are sold for the price of TWO DCS modules (including maps, asset packs, campaigns, aircraft modules, etc. that must be purchased separately) that don't have a fitting environment, no built-in content and can take 2-3 years to produce.

 

The financial barrier to entry may be higher for some younger people, students, parents new and old, etc. but they're still undercharging for the dedication and work that they put in to their products and for how much they put out for so little in return. 

Edited July 7, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Finkeren]

I don't know that they are undercharging. Comparing to a ridiculously overpriced product such as DCS is not really fair.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I don't know that they are undercharging. Comparing to a ridiculously overpriced product such as DCS is not really fair.

 

I don't know that DCS is overcharging - their prices are within reasonable market value for the industry that they're in.

 

Does that mean they're worth it to me? No, not at all.

[ShamrockOneFive]

The difference between DCS and IL-2 is that DCS sells modules... They fit or don't fit into the rest of the content. IL-2 sells a themed battle that features the aircraft, maps, scenery, doodads, campaign and the rest of the experience centered around that themed battle. For me... having that complete package with everything fitting together is ideal for immersion into everything that's happening. An I-16 is great on its own but having Moscow to fly over and appropriate year and model Bf109s to fight is essential.

 

This Spitfire Vb is very much a Russian version of the famous British fighter and it fits into the Kuban scenario perfectly. It's going to be spectacular flying it... or flying a FW190 on a Jabo run in the areas near Krasnodar and not being sure if I'll run into a LaGG-3, La-5, Spitfire Vb, Yak-1B, or Yak-7B. But they all fit. It's spectacular IMHO!

[wtornado]

It was stated more than once that it is NOT yet clear if pacific will work out as this depends on how much money will be gained by this iteration (BoK). The Team has 20-30 members, no you can calculate yourself howmuch of running costs they have just for paying their developers per month and how many copys need to be sold to just fill that. So lets say they need to pay their personel ~50000$ per month, given 70 Euro for BoK in preorder 715 Units would have to be sold every month to break even when just focusing on BoK sales and leaving the others out. And well, it likely sells half that number in preorders.

Or do you have more info than me? 

I absolutely agree no one has a clue on how well it is going and it is hard pushing an early access product.

 

Personally I do not think they are doing it for the money they are doing it for the love of aircraft.

 

I first seen early access on steam and from what I seen over the past 3-4 years it has

not worked out as well for some companies have wished.

 

16 month development plans are long for the Battle of the Kuban product.

 

Can it be at risk like the Cliffs of Dover product and be released not finished like the game I bought 2

weeks after it was released I doubt it.

 

What they release is what we will get,that I do believe and I will be quite content as to how far the game goes..

 

Like the kick started funding the only game that I have seen to truly succeed was Robert Industries.

 

Companies like Bohemia interactive that push out a finished product ARMA 3,not perfect mind you but fixed pretty fast

and pump out DLC after DLC at a good price 30-60$ Cdn I like that and the product is good..

 

As for DCS I had no interest in it at all.

 

CAP2 is showing me more promise that DCS and it is far from finished..

[CIA_Yankee_]

A map, a campaign, assets and 10 aircraft produced in a years time are sold for the price of TWO DCS modules (including maps, asset packs, campaigns, aircraft modules, etc. that must be purchased separately) that don't have a fitting environment, no built-in content and can take 2-3 years to produce.

 

The financial barrier to entry may be higher for some younger people, students, parents new and old, etc. but they're still undercharging for the dedication and work that they put in to their products and for how much they put out for so little in return. 

 

Correct.

 

Simulations are a niche market, and are priced accordingly. The argument that it would become mainstream were the pricing more standard fail to account for the fact that sims USED to be priced normally and fairly mainstream (anyone remember the good old Jane's Simulations days?), but then the genre collapsed as the market moved away just as the cost of producing top quality games required the economies of scale (lots of purchases) in order to break even. Heck, even mainstream games struggle mightily under the regular price points (there's a reason the whole concept of F2P and DLCs and microtransactions emerged).

 

In short, it is basically impossible now to get a quality simulator product at what is considered a regular price point in gaming, given that simming is still a niche interest. And that it is niche is not going to change soon, given the complexity of simulators being antithetical to modern game design (a very technical, and very steep, learning curve). War Thunder and the likes is the closest you'll get, and even when they implement a simulator mode, you can see how little interest it draws. Indeed, one could make the argument that much of the problems BOS faced in its early years was because it attempted to bridge the gap between WT and a full simulation, and people are just not interested.

 

So, if you're a sim fan, you generally have to be prepared to pay for it. Price points of $100+ are not that unusual, to be honest.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Personally I do not think they are doing it for the money they are doing it for the love of aircraft.

The only reason anyone would produce a game not for the money would be because they have money to burn. Then the question of price doesn't become an issue. Of course they're doing it for the money. Midway wouldn't be a question it would be a certainty if that were the case.

Edited July 7, 2017 by Rolling_Thunder

[dburne]

The only reason anyone would produce a game not for the money would be because they have money to burn. Then the question of price doesn't become an issue. Of course they're doing it for the money. Midway wouldn't be a question it would be a certainty if that were the case.

 

Oh yeah, you can rest assure 1C is all about the money and profits. 

Which is why Jason is always reminding us that future expansions are not a sure thing, they need increased sales to get there.

 

We definitely need to keep " spreading the word ".

[Danziger]

No offense to CloD or TFS but after seeing the Spit in BoX I'm really hoping 777/1c gets around to BoB someday.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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We definitely need to keep " spreading the word ".

 

And stop begging for price cuts.

Edited July 7, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Thad]

I don't know that they are undercharging. Comparing to a ridiculously overpriced product such as DCS is not really fair.

Salutations,

 

I agree. With the IL2 offerings were are really getting our monies worth when compared to DCS.

[LLv24_Zami]

I think everyone does work to get a living and pay their bills, so does the devs here. Prices are fair for this kind of product. 

 

As for the OP, Spit sure is a beautifully modeled in this game    

[Thad]

Oh yeah, you can rest assure 1C is all about the money and profits. 

Which is why Jason is always reminding us that future expansions are not a sure thing, they need increased sales to get there.

 

We definitely need to keep " spreading the word ".

Salutations,

 

I have done my part. I've purchased everything available on the main site. Waiting for more.

[Livai]

It was stated more than once that it is NOT yet clear if pacific will work out as this depends on how much money will be gained by this iteration (BoK). The Team has 20-30 members, no you can calculate yourself howmuch of running costs they have just for paying their developers per month and how many copys need to be sold to just fill that. So lets say they need to pay their personel ~50000$ per month, given 70 Euro for BoK in preorder 715 Units would have to be sold every month to break even when just focusing on BoK sales and leaving the others out. And well, it likely sells half that number in preorders.

Or do you have more info than me?

 

Money Money everytime all circle around money...........

 

As we pre-ordered BoS we paid $59 for Standard and $99 for Premium. You know BoM and BoK we need to pay -$10 less for Standard and -$20 or -$30 less for Premium! Now how sounds this if you worry about $$....

 

Each decision affecting the next decision....-> Nobody can foretell the outcome....

[Don2one]

is this the right topic to ask, if the spitfire will come out as a collection plane to buy seperately? Thanks all!

[Matt]

is this the right topic to ask, if the spitfire will come out as a collection plane to buy seperately? Thanks all!

It's probably not the right topic to ask, but the answer is "yes".

[ShamrockOneFive]

is this the right topic to ask, if the spitfire will come out as a collection plane to buy seperately? Thanks all!

 

Traditionally, aircraft that were part of the Premium package later became available as Collector Planes. This usually happened after the product was released. So Battle of Kuban is projected to be finished around December 2017 and so I'd expect to see the Spitfire Vb and Hs129B-2 become available early in 2018. That's just a guess based on what's happened in the past.

[Don2one]

Thank you very much for the answer and sorry for dropping in with this question that doesn't belong here..Didn't want to open a new one to ask this;)

[Finkeren]

It's about the Spitfire so not off topic at all

[Cat-26Ashby-26]

What a great airplane. It's a pleasure to be able to fly it in simulation. Thanks.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Let's celebrate the machine, enough about the price tag. Let's see pics and videos, not hear about pricing. I have it, but I have no desire to fly it. I'd rather shoot it down, but that's just me. This team deserves what they charge for their product and then some....period. Now back on topic and lets see her in all her glory....hopefully in a flaming spiral towards terra firma!

[mazex]

It pulls lead on the target very nicely.

 

Spit3.jpg Spit2.jpg

 

Amazing... Looked at that second image and it took my brain a full second to realize it was not one of those super detailed paintings of Spitfires you find in pubs