No Teamspeak, Discord, or Voice usage in MP??

[DickDong]

Gents and Laddies if present,

 

What gives with the lack of TS usage on public servers?  777 has an official TS, and plenty of servers have Teamspeak servers avail?  The developers and mission makers have done a awesome job making the tools avail, but we as a flight sim community give them proverbial middle finger to them and our fellow players and don't use them.  GIve me a reason why and I bet I can provide a counter argument unless you just don't know about TS or Discord.

Edited July 2, 2017 by Banzaii

[Finkeren]

I have TS but seldom use it for the simple reason, that when I fly the sim, my wife is often in the same room working or watching TV and I don't want to disturb her.

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

Are you referring to a lack of official TS etc servers? I can't speak to that. But, I am very sure there are players and squadron members using such voice programs while flying on public servers.

[DickDong]

Salutations,

 

Are you referring to a lack of official TS etc servers? I can't speak to that. But, I am very sure there are players and squadron members using such voice programs while flying on public servers.

I have a private server for comms with my buddies as well.  Works great when we're the only dudes on the server.  If not the case, great you 3 might be communicating, what about the other 27 on the server?  Either send a message and invite them on comms if your willing to or... jump on the official/server TS and instead of everyone being on their own program they can coordinate in a meaningful way.

 

What does everyone being on the same servers (squads can use other channels with whispers for coord if reqd.)  bring to the combat fight sim:

 

Number  one everyone begins to get acquainted with each other.  You can't hide behind the chat "Mr Internet Tough Guy" and people tend to be more polite and courteous.  This is the first step in building a community where people will come not only for the game, but to relax with new and old friends alike. 

 

Number Two, a new pilot shows up from another sim or with no flight sim experience at all....someone who is willing to help out grabs him, takes him down to the other channels and gets him going. 

 

Number Three: When dudes go off the deep end and start droping F bombs in chat, or being generally abrasive to the player base, actions can be taken by the collective group of player.

I have TS but seldom use it for the simple reason, that when I fly the sim, my wife is often in the same room working or watching TV and I don't want to disturb her.

Buy a headset if you can afford it.  Will make your experience go thru the roof.

Edited July 2, 2017 by Banzaii

[Finkeren]

Buy a headset if you can afford it. Will make your experience go thru the roof.

I'm using a headset. What I don't want is my wife having to to listen to one half of a conversation all the time.

 

When I'm on TS she constanly think I'm speaking to her, whenever I start talking.

 

Annoying for her and for me as well, so I avoid using it.

[DickDong]

I'm using a headset. What I don't want is my wife having to to listen to one half of a conversation all the time.

 

When I'm on TS she constanly think I'm speaking to her, whenever I start talking.

 

Annoying for her and for me as well, so I avoid using it.

It's time we get her up to speed with the proper terminology for aerial combat so she can decipher with only half the story.

[dburne]

I'm using a headset. What I don't want is my wife having to to listen to one half of a conversation all the time.

 

When I'm on TS she constanly think I'm speaking to her, whenever I start talking.

 

Annoying for her and for me as well, so I avoid using it.

 

I am currently only doing SP, but if/when I get into MP that will be a problem for me as well, at least during the week. My wife's office is in the same room as my rig, and she too is on the phone quite a bit for her work and my talking might be a disturbance for her also. Weekends would be no issue.

 

Now that I am flying VR  at some point I plan to give Voice Attack a try, guess I can try that a little and see how much of a disturbance it might be to her. We have a partition  between us which might buffer some of the sound, but not much. Obviously with my headset ( Rift)  on and flying, her talking I certainly never hear.

Edited July 2, 2017 by dburne

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

I'll give a different reason for why I don't just hop onto public channels that isn't "Other people in my house". In my 18 years of life I grew up playing mainly single player games and the like, never really venturing into online games until I got my PC 2ish years ago. I've tried jumping into a few public lobbies with strangers in various games and it just makes me... uncomfortable. I'll fly with friends because I know what we can talk about and what sort of jokes can be made and the like, and it really brightens up the experience. I just have a hard time immediately connecting with strangers and being expected to fly at peak performance with them, when I have friends who (while less readily available) I can lower my standards around and have a bit more fun than I would with strangers. 

 

TL;DR comfort zones are hard to leave. 

Edited July 2, 2017 by =DF=PangolinWranglin

[DickDong]

 

• When you have one room for your living space that has to be shared, you have scenarios like that which Finkeren raised (further complicated with kids). e.g. If someone wants to watch TV I'm not going to babble away over it spoiling their enjoyment.

 

• Interacting with people online can be good,... and it can be soul destroying; particularly after a day of work or other stresses in real life. Everyone has different expectations/desires of things like language that should be used, humour, politics etc. Public channels, or even private ones you visit, can sometimes only detract from what is supposed to be your relaxation time.

 

• If you don't necessarily have the time to commit to a full flight or may have to disco at short notice because the kid is eating the dog or similar; doing so with squad buddies is perhaps not so bad, but when it is with a 'stranger' it can be seen as a little rude (rightly or wrongly), and is certainly a bit inconvenient if you were pairing up for support in ground attack for example.

 

Saying that, I tried previously to get people to link up on TS myself, both for ground pounding and generally for people who were struggling to find others to fly with and didn't want to squad up, but with no success.

 

It is worthwhile to have these sort of topics posted from time to time though, just in case it convinces someone to take the plunge into TS and crucially:

 

Being on coms is (in my opinion) the only way to survive against the squads out there.

 

Based on your response in regards to being stressed out by talking to other strangers from this community I'm guessing you've never been on comms on the most popular servers and the absolute joy it was to go on and talk to dudes you'd fly with regularly. Ask anyone on here with an ATAG tag how it was in the hayday on comms in that server in CLOD.  Everyone was courteous and if a brand new dude jumped on everyone was willing to help.  Zero stress involved. If we could foster that over here it would pay huge dividends for MP involvement and those who still are on the fence about jumping into BOS from other sims might make the plunge.  Its a win win for everyone.

 

The reason IMO we're having this discussion is we're getting a new type of person to IL-2 which is great, but there might be some apprehension and some bad habits that might be brought over from other game types that don't mesh real well with the flight sim crowd

Edited July 2, 2017 by Banzaii

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

My mates and I use the public server everytime I fly and I have my own TS server languishing by the wayside.

[CUJO_1970]

I don't use TS simply because I'm anti-social and only fly lone-wulf online

Also because last time I was online HerrMurf tried to kill me.

[DickDong]

My mates and I use the public server everytime I fly and I have my own TS server languishing by the wayside

Excellent, next step is to prod all those lone wolfs onto team speak in the appropriate servers.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

I use the public TS almost every weekday morning here in the US and generally fly with same great group of guys from all over the world and we have a great time. I do know the feeling of not wanting to disturb others in the household though. Luckily my fiancee is usually at work, but my "man cave" is in the basement, so even when she is home I don't really bother her. Now, being able to actually fly when she is home without having some sort of "honey do" chore is another story entirely.

[HagarTheHorrible]

Like =DF=PangolinWranglin I find it quite odd, uncomfortable, chatting to strangers I can't see, or gauge how to talk to appropriately, although I can certainly see the benefits.  Being part of a squad would be infinitely easier, as you get to know a regular group of players, although it might be very hit and miss, finding a squad that clicks and finding time to commit is, certainly for me, always a problem.  A "freshers " week, event might help hooking like minded Lone Wolfs with squads or even a dating site type event for the weirdo oddballs who enjoy spending hours playing combat flight sims.

 

VR might, eventually, bring about a more talkative flight scene.  Maybe jumping into a lobby with a bunch of other players avatars, might all seem a little less disembodied.  That said, I tried a VR game that had automatic Voice comm's "Gunslinger" and ended up swapping banter with, from the sound of her, a very young girl, who's avatar was a raunchy, if battle hardened, version of Calamity Jane.  That was distinctly uncomfortable and I quickly said good night and went else where.  Being able to see a body and hand gestures however , because of the motion controllers, was otherwise fun and engaging and added greatly to the experience.  It also helped that it was all very new so there weren't any expectations as to peoples competence.

[DickDong]

Hagar, typically you fly in the same server around the same time on a regular basis. The same holds true for the same dudes you'd be talking to at that same time who were once strangers are now friends.

 

Gents I cant emphasize how much fullfillment MP comms will get you outve the genre. If a squad is your goal, this is how you determine if you are the right fit, by chillin and talkin together. Its not mysterious and dudes will be some of the most mature (usually) that you will find. You WILL make friends that could last ages, you just have to make the leap.

 

This is a very unique genre in gaming which is slowly drying up to the FPS's and mobile gaming inundating us. Communication together is a way to offset this.

 

I ask all you vets out there chime in, show them I'm not blowing smoke up their rear end.

[=EXPEND=Capt_Yorkshire]

What Banzaii says,  it is hard to find a channel with the right mix of people that fits you.  I prefer my squad to talk little and just call out contacts and grids and keep the banter to a minimum,  then what happens is we get jumped by 4 Russians and we all start screaming.       

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I'll give it a try next time I'm on...as long as I can still make Holocaust jokes while flying German.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

What Banzaii says,  it is hard to find a channel with the right mix of people that fits you.  I prefer my squad to talk little and just call out contacts and grids and keep the banter to a minimum,  then what happens is we get jumped by 4 Russians and we all start screaming.       

 

:lol: :lol:  True!!!!!! But it's always a blast!

[Retnek]

• Interacting with people online can be good,... and it can be soul destroying; particularly after a day of work or other stresses in real life. Everyone has different expectations/desires of things like language that should be used, humour, politics etc. Public channels, or even private ones you visit, can sometimes only detract from what is supposed to be your relaxation time.

...

 

Well put, that's quite a problem if there is not enough radio discipline. I don't point on it because I don't like a nice talk in general, but usually it's evening, I'm often more or less tired. Conversation mostly is in English, any non-native speaker has an additional workload to follow conversations.

 

There are often nice guys on TS telling you good stories, ask this, compare that - for me it's hard to stop them. Makes me feel uncomfortable, somehow impolite, especially if your flying with guys from countries where intense talk simply is part of the culture. And it *is* interesting to hear a first hand report how's life under Putin or Trump. But it adds to my workload.

 

And there are those freaks don't stop talking even if you don't respond for minutes. Others call out any village in sight, any switch they touch and complain for minutes about vultures and cheaters. Lot of sinners still use voice activation resulting in all kinds of breathing and ingestion sounds, TV shows, dogs and extended family-life.

 

Anyhow, all I can master next to the pilots job itself is basic communication in basic English, short commands, hints, two sentences of explanation maybe - all kept in order by push to talk. Some online-communities present extra "casual-channels" for conversations while expecting strict radio discipline on any other channel. If that would be common sense within the Il2-BoX-online community, more people might go for a voice comm's by default.

 

Maybe some TS-admins can add "casual channels" helping to grow a culture of good radio discipline on the flight channels?

[JG13_opcode]

Gents and Laddies if present,

 

What gives with the lack of TS usage on public servers? 777 has an official TS, and plenty of servers have Teamspeak servers avail? The developers and mission makers have done a awesome job making the tools avail, but we as a flight sim community give them proverbial middle finger to them and our fellow players and don't use them. GIve me a reason why and I bet I can provide a counter argument unless you just don't know about TS or Discord.

I stopped using the public TS because of two users in particular that I found quite grating.

 

I use a private Mumble most of the time.

[=/WoVi/=kirumovka]

Discord (IL2)

Not enough people seeding for voice chat though (As most public discord servers are)

Various IL2 related teamspeak addresses:

taw-server.de:9988 | Tactical Air Ware / Get password in-game briefing and write it down if you can't alt tab. I think the current password is taw1942

simulatorpilots.com | Used to be for the old =Simutopia= squadron but now is shared by various others. Not really used by IL2 players anymore. Has a password, forgot what it was, probably something like Simutopia

theflyingcircus.teamspeak3.com | Flying Circus used for various squadrons though was more or less mainly used by Y-29.

ts3.thewetbandits.org | The Wet Bandits (bunch of well known twitch streamers which used to do a lot of flying with war tuhnder

bmad.teamspeak3.com | =BMAD= former teamspeak, unpaid and sort of expired a few days ago. Who knows if it'll come back up, hadn't had news from the current squadron leader (which isn't actually the squadron leader on WT, which is now afk and hasn't been given the leader role so there's quite a bit of confusion relating to WT)

Sim Sherrif (DerSheriff)'s youtube discord. He does a lot of german aircraft videos in general. His teamspeak is actually waaay more populated tha nthe IL2 official discord. IL2's discord needs more publicity since not many poeple can find nor know it exists. I think this is the best place if you want to quite literally "hop in and request" other than the 1c/777 teamspeak.

CannonFodder5's discord. He plays IL2 BoS occasionally, but has been doing it less recently due to an increase in demand for Monster Hunter views and community lack of interest in IL2. Usually plays russians to help the balance. Usually flies with Y-29 (see flying circus teamspeak link above) when doing so. He's hawaiian so expect late night games for the typical american timezone.

Edited July 4, 2017 by =BMAD=ZdrytchX

[CIA_Yankee_]

I have TS but seldom use it for the simple reason, that when I fly the sim, my wife is often in the same room working or watching TV and I don't want to disturb her.

 

I'm in the exact same situation. Fortunately the chat tends to work out well enough... though admittedly it's definitely tougher being off-comms when there's a coordinate squadron about.

[Ribbon]

I'm using a headset. What I don't want is my wife having to to listen to one half of a conversation all the time.

 

When I'm on TS she constanly think I'm speaking to her, whenever I start talking.

 

Annoying for her and for me as well, so I avoid using it.

I told mine that when she sees me with headphones on that she just ignores me, works fine.

And it's not rude, i have to listen her blabbering on her cell with her bat screaming friends.

And good headset will prevail background noice/wife/female

Edited July 4, 2017 by redribbon

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

His teamspeak is actually waaay more populated tha nthe IL2 official discord. IL2's discord needs more publicity since not many poeple can find nor know it exists.

 

Just to clarify, that isn't an official Discord server from 1CGS. It was made by milopugdog for the community, he made a thread about it in the forums some months ago: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27714-announcement-bos-discord-server/

[DickDong]

Well put, that's quite a problem if there is not enough radio discipline. I don't point on it because I don't like a nice talk in general, but usually it's evening, I'm often more or less tired. Conversation mostly is in English, any non-native speaker has an additional workload to follow conversations.

 

There are often nice guys on TS telling you good stories, ask this, compare that - for me it's hard to stop them. Makes me feel uncomfortable, somehow impolite, especially if your flying with guys from countries where intense talk simply is part of the culture. And it *is* interesting to hear a first hand report how's life under Putin or Trump. But it adds to my workload.

 

And there are those freaks don't stop talking even if you don't respond for minutes. Others call out any village in sight, any switch they touch and complain for minutes about vultures and cheaters. Lot of sinners still use voice activation resulting in all kinds of breathing and ingestion sounds, TV shows, dogs and extended family-life.

 

Anyhow, all I can master next to the pilots job itself is basic communication in basic English, short commands, hints, two sentences of explanation maybe - all kept in order by push to talk. Some online-communities present extra "casual-channels" for conversations while expecting strict radio discipline on any other channel. If that would be common sense within the Il2-BoX-online community, more people might go for a voice comm's by default.

 

Maybe some TS-admins can add "casual channels" helping to grow a culture of good radio discipline on the flight channels?

Most people new to voice comms don't know the ins and outs. Be patient with them. If you have time teach them. A "nice talk" can break the ice. I feel like a therapist here... with some of the the excuses youall have given. I'd say besides the few reasons with limitations on pc location the rest are pretty trivial personality issues that a slight outlook change might fix. Edited July 5, 2017 by Banzaii

[HagarTheHorrible]

I think flight sims can be tough for casual players, they might know there stuff, their history etc, but because of time constraints or inclination are still what might be called casual players. The more complex flight sims become the more pressure and demands for competence become apparent.

 

I spent 10 minutes on the WOL server yesterday, in a Pe 2 trying to do anything other than spin in circles as I tried to take off, hoping desperately that no one would ruin their flight by crashing into me (trying unfamiliar aircraft in the interests of balance and mission goal).

 

In silence, we can, to paraphrase Lourde (Royals), live our fantasy, without having to explain our incompetence or inability to others or, haveing to deal with other people's frustrations. Road rage type venting, because of cacooned anonymity, and combat flight sims are a potential match made in heaven.

 

Why did you land on top of me, don't you know which way to land ? Idiot

 

Why did you crash into me on take off ? Idiot

 

Why did you just shoot a friendly ? Idiot

 

Why did you press the wrong button and drop your bombs in the parking area ? Idiot

 

Why did you steal my kill ? F Idiot

 

Why did you continue to attack me, couldn't you see my aircraft had some chipped paint and I had broken a finger nail , don't you know MY rules ? Idiot

 

Voice comm's has an awful lot to be said for it :-) but it can also, equally, put a downer on the whole day not to mention it adds one more layer of complexity and organization to the whole experience.

Edited July 5, 2017 by HagarTheHorrible

[Ribbon]

 

I spent 10 minutes on the WOL server yesterday, in a Pe 2 trying to do anything other than spin in circles as I tried to take off, hoping desperately that no one would ruin their flight by crashing into me (trying unfamiliar aircraft in the interests of balance and mission goal).

 

 

You need to set rpm to 100% to prevent spin. On pe2 series .85 you can assign lever to do it quick, on series 35. it goes slowly by assigned keys on keyboard.

[HagarTheHorrible]

You need to set rpm to 100% to prevent spin. On pe2 series .85 you can assign lever to do it quick, on series 35. it goes slowly by assigned keys on keyboard.

Thanks, I know. I just couldn't remember which way I'd set up my controllers and because I play in VR I've switched off the HUD, That and it's the summer holidays so my 7 year old son was demanding family bonding time, otherwise known as building an air fix model

[Flitgun]

I'm sure there are players out there who would like to use talk channels, but are a little apprehensive to take that leap. A sort of unfamiliar territory kind of thing.

 

Some encouragement in game chat might get more in. I think one who wants people to join him just needs to be bold about it. I suggest inviting people by name. The worst that can happen is they say no, or ignore you, or you look desperate for friends lol.

 

On occasion one comes across annoyances in public channels, but in my experience this is rare and my gaming experience is greatly enhanced when talking to team players. 

[Feathered_IV]

It's not for me.  I used teamspeak a couple of times in the old Il-2 days, but the experience went something like this:

 

 

 

 

*NEW PLAYER*

 

"...but the GTS is definitely the better car."

 

"Hey y'all.  This is uh, Jay-Gee Feeftie Tew, Uh... Werner Moelders here.  Uh, Hey y'all... w'sup?"

 

Texas voice guy: "Oh hey Moelders"

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Oh hey Infinite_Valor, w'sup?"

 

"I had a GTS once. They..."

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone: "I SEE TWO BANDITS. TWO BANDITS, HEADING THESE WAY!!!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "What location?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone: "OF TOO MY LEFT!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "No, no. I mean what grid refere..."

 

*NEW PLAYER*

 

Cyrillic_login guy: "......"

 

*PLAYER Exited*

 

Cyrillic_login guy exited...

 

"...its all about the cars..."

 

Blind Guy in a Dark Closet:  "There's someone on the ground parked next to me.  Is that you B2?"

 

Second Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "I don't know.  Is that you flashing your lights B1?"

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "No. The guy next to me is firing his guns.  Who is that firing his guns next to me?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "THEY ARE CLOSER NOW!!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Where?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "FREE TOUSAND METRES...!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Yes, but..."

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "The person next to me, please move..."

 

Candy wrapper guy:  **crackle-crackle**

 

"...even more cool cars that I can name..."

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "Please..."

 

*NEW PLAYER*

 

Cyrillic_login guy: "...."

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Oh hey Cyrillic_login guy, w'sup?"

 

*PLAYER Exited*

 

Cyrillic_login guy exited...

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Aww..."

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "HELP ME!!!"

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "Is that you in the Focke, B1?"

 

Second Blind guy in a dark closet: "No, I'm in the Heinkel"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Norwegian accent guy with the new microphone, you have to tell me where..."

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "I'M TAKING HITS!!!"

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "I thought you said you were in the Focke."

 

Second Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "That's right. I'm definitely in the Messer."

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "Wait, what?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "TEY ARE A TACKY WHY WON"T YOU HELP ME???"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Dude, You have to tell me WHERE"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "AT MY SIX O'CLOCK!!!"

 

Wants_2B_Your_Wingman: "Oh for crying out LOUD!"

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Oh Hey... W'sup?"

[bzc3lk]

It's not for me.  I used teamspeak a couple of times in the old Il-2 days, but the experience went something like this:

 

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That is gold feathered, very much my experience as well.   Used Ts when i used to fly with my squad and when competing on the Il2 USL league comps, other than that stayed clear.

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Yep sounds about right feathered. That made my morning.

[RFG_Hisl]

Agree with feathered. But Chat is just as bad.    The best is consequently deactivate evrything. 

[Retnek]

Sadly the report by Feathered describes a quite common situation, sadly.

 

@Banzaii:

 

I've tried it several times. Works fine with well educated people willing to learn - those need a hint, a few words, maybe a little lesson in another channel -> everything is fine.

 

Users feeling at home on a server too much sometimes need stronger reminders until they cancel their talk-talk. There is a problem with some experienced sim-pilots, too. They feel their proud sum of flight-hours on a server correlates with an amount of extra privileges reserved for them. So they tend to ignore the friendly request for radio discipline. Still insisting on radio discipline results in a grumbling "folks, let's move to channel X BECAUSE OF THAT NERD!". They won't talk to you no longer, for weeks ... it's of no use for my sides tactics if half of the pilots refuse to use the common channel at all.

 

For a bunch of guys with strong social deficits there is just one solution. Sadly large servers with lot's of pilots attract those freaks like honey does with bears. There's only one chance: the licence to kick them out of the channel. Channels with a strict admin present and / or an efficient vote&kick system clearly have an advantage here.

Edited July 5, 2017 by 216th_Retnek

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

The best voice comms I've used was Eve Voice in Eve online.

 

It was easy to break up into command tiers in order to cut down on experiences like Feathered's, and everybody had it because it was integrated into the client. Nobody had to bother with additional downloads or third party programs, so it was really easy to get new players on.

[HagarTheHorrible]

The best voice comms I've used was Eve Voice in Eve online.

 

It was easy to break up into command tiers in order to cut down on experiences like Feathered's, and everybody had it because it was integrated into the client. Nobody had to bother with additional downloads or third party programs, so it was really easy to get new players on.

 

 

If voice comm's is ever to become even moderately successful then really has to be integrated and structured within the sim.  The only time I've ever really used voice comm's in a game was in ArmA II, it certainly added to the experience.

 

If, and when, VR ever becomes the norm then, with integrated microphones in the VR googles, voice should become more straightforward and less hassle.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

I'd probably use voice chat if they implemented radios well. Maybe that'll be part of the field marshal thing. 

[DickDong]

I'd probably use voice chat if they implemented radios well. Maybe that'll be part of the field marshal thing. 

 

Teamspeak is very quick to setup and is free. The capability is there with TS and saves 777 from developing code that in all honesty isn't reqd with the tools available to us.   Youtube it and it'll be up an running in no time.

If voice comm's is ever to become even moderately successful then really has to be integrated and structured within the sim.  The only time I've ever really used voice comm's in a game was in ArmA II, it certainly added to the experience.

 

If, and when, VR ever becomes the norm then, with integrated microphones in the VR googles, voice should become more straightforward and less hassle.

Teamspeak is very quick to setup and is free(your grandma could do it its that easy.) The capability is there with TS which saves 777 from developing code that in all honesty isn't reqd with the tools available to us.   Youtube it and it'll be up an running in no time.

 

The best voice comms I've used was Eve Voice in Eve online.

 

It was easy to break up into command tiers in order to cut down on experiences like Feathered's, and everybody had it because it was integrated into the client. Nobody had to bother with additional downloads or third party programs, so it was really easy to get new players on.

 

Teamspeak is not cosmic as a user.  It can get more difficult if your running a server. Discord is stupid simple.

Sadly the report by Feathered describes a quite common situation, sadly.

 

@Banzaii:

 

I've tried it several times. Works fine with well educated people willing to learn - those need a hint, a few words, maybe a little lesson in another channel -> everything is fine.

 

Users feeling at home on a server too much sometimes need stronger reminders until they cancel their talk-talk. There is a problem with some experienced sim-pilots, too. They feel their proud sum of flight-hours on a server correlates with an amount of extra privileges reserved for them. So they tend to ignore the friendly request for radio discipline. Still insisting on radio discipline results in a grumbling "folks, let's move to channel X BECAUSE OF THAT NERD!". They won't talk to you no longer, for weeks ... it's of no use for my sides tactics if half of the pilots refuse to use the common channel at all.

 

For a bunch of guys with strong social deficits there is just one solution. Sadly large servers with lot's of pilots attract those freaks like honey does with bears. There's only one chance: the licence to kick them out of the channel. Channels with a strict admin present and / or an efficient vote&kick system clearly have an advantage here.

Your complaints with the type of people on the larger servers tell me you need to look for more realistic based servers where you typically get your older players who are respectful and use good comm discipline.  I'm not saying this isn't the case on the more populated casual servers but you need to analyze the type of server and the people you will likely see on it.  I've never had a bad experience on TAW TS.

 

It's not for me.  I used teamspeak a couple of times in the old Il-2 days, but the experience went something like this:

 

 

 

 

*NEW PLAYER*

 

"...but the GTS is definitely the better car."

 

"Hey y'all.  This is uh, Jay-Gee Feeftie Tew, Uh... Werner Moelders here.  Uh, Hey y'all... w'sup?"

 

Texas voice guy: "Oh hey Moelders"

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Oh hey Infinite_Valor, w'sup?"

 

"I had a GTS once. They..."

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone: "I SEE TWO BANDITS. TWO BANDITS, HEADING THESE WAY!!!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "What location?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone: "OF TOO MY LEFT!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "No, no. I mean what grid refere..."

 

*NEW PLAYER*

 

Cyrillic_login guy: "......"

 

*PLAYER Exited*

 

Cyrillic_login guy exited...

 

"...its all about the cars..."

 

Blind Guy in a Dark Closet:  "There's someone on the ground parked next to me.  Is that you B2?"

 

Second Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "I don't know.  Is that you flashing your lights B1?"

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "No. The guy next to me is firing his guns.  Who is that firing his guns next to me?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "THEY ARE CLOSER NOW!!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Where?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "FREE TOUSAND METRES...!"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Yes, but..."

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "The person next to me, please move..."

 

Candy wrapper guy:  **crackle-crackle**

 

"...even more cool cars that I can name..."

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "Please..."

 

*NEW PLAYER*

 

Cyrillic_login guy: "...."

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Oh hey Cyrillic_login guy, w'sup?"

 

*PLAYER Exited*

 

Cyrillic_login guy exited...

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Aww..."

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "HELP ME!!!"

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "Is that you in the Focke, B1?"

 

Second Blind guy in a dark closet: "No, I'm in the Heinkel"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Norwegian accent guy with the new microphone, you have to tell me where..."

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "I'M TAKING HITS!!!"

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "I thought you said you were in the Focke."

 

Second Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "That's right. I'm definitely in the Messer."

 

First Blind Guy in a Dark Closet: "Wait, what?"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "TEY ARE A TACKY WHY WON"T YOU HELP ME???"

 

Wants_2B_Yr_Wingman: "Dude, You have to tell me WHERE"

 

Norwegian accent guy with new microphone:  "AT MY SIX O'CLOCK!!!"

 

Wants_2B_Your_Wingman: "Oh for crying out LOUD!"

 

JG52_Werner_Moelders: "Oh Hey... W'sup?"

Feathered as you will likely see in my responses to the other quotes, you need to gauge the server and what to expect on TS. 

[=/WoVi/=kirumovka]

Just to clarify, that isn't an official Discord server from 1CGS. It was made by milopugdog for the community, he made a thread about it in the forums some months ago: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27714-announcement-bos-discord-server/

makes sense.

[Retnek]

 

Your complaints with the type of people on the larger servers tell me you need to look for more realistic based servers where you typically get your older players who are respectful and use good comm discipline.  I'm not saying this isn't the case on the more populated casual servers but you need to analyze the type of server and the people you will likely see on it.  I've never had a bad experience on TAW TS.

Ok, I don't want to complain too much - it's a bit overdrawn just to show there's a lot of frustration, even good willing people become tired sooner or later.

 

You underestimate some problems - it is not that easy for a casual pilot to find his way through the Teamspeak-options. Public channel(s), squad channel(s), what to read, where to whisper - how to check if my settings work as intended? A hint on a good lecture might help - anyone?

 

What about developing a list of "do's and dont's" to place it here in the forums finally. Like the "casual-channel" it might help a bit. I remember there are some list available, no time to google right now and it should be written down by a native speaker, perhaps. If someone knows a good one? My wishes:

 

- use push-to-talk only

- except "hello", "goodbye" and rare "well done" the public channel transports messages of public interest only (my side, naturally)

- of public interest is any information to understand the big picture

- squads and ad-hoc-units use their own channels, but read and feed the public channel

- pilots who are forced to stay silent are invited to read per TS and feed per chat

- any talk, lesson or lecture not adding to the big picture moves to another channel (still reading the public channel hopefully)

 

Something like this ...?

Edited July 6, 2017 by 216th_Retnek