The one thing that would make the Yak-7 really exciting for me

[Finkeren]

...having the M-105P (or PA) as an engine variant.

 

The M-105P would essentially make it a Yak-7A (would also require the deletion of a fuel tank) and make it relevant for almost the entire BoM timeline, while the M-105PA would make it an early Yak-7B and usable late in the BoM timeline and possibly on the Velikyie Luki map.

 

This could really help flesh out the early parts of the new career system - and if the M-105P was already modeled, perhaps it wouldn't be hard to put it in the Yak-1 as well?

 

It's probably not gonna happen, but it would be a great addition to the plane set.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

[Finkeren]

 

Been there, done that with the LaGG although I gotta admit, that this weapon makes more sense on the Yak-7 than on the LaGG-3.

 

Also: I think your wish has an excellent chance of coming true - unlike mine.

Edited July 1, 2017 by Finkeren

[Danziger]

Is it just me or do the propeller blades look like a different shape? I've been looking at that a lot recently and it seems like some of the Soviet propeller shapes aren't quite right in the game.

[Finkeren]

Is it just me or do the propeller blades look like a different shape? I've been looking at that a lot recently and it seems like some of the Soviet propeller shapes aren't quite right in the game.

 

Yeah, I see what you're getting at. Definitely broader near the base, also they seem pointier, but from this angle it's hard to tell.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm excited about the Yak-7 period but if we did get variants of some kind that would be interesting too! I wonder what they have planned?

 

The Yak-7s with M-105PF engines fought much of the Stalingrad battle and then were used into Kuban so what we're very likely getting fits just fine. There were other revisions and smaller changes along the way so I don't know how accurately you can do an earlier M-105P engine (I really don't know) version without some sort of other change. It'd be totally awesome to be able to have a fighter stretch Moscow to Kuban with an engine change but I don't know. I am kind of hoping that a Yak-1 engine variant could fit Moscow at least but even then there were small changes between versions and it may just not be realistic.

 

Don't know.

 

Still interesting to think about and very excited about the Yak-7. I know some people say its just another Yak but its a really important type for Stalingrad and for Kuban.

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

The Yak-7 is definitely a bird I'm looking forward to. I feel as if it will be underestimated and therefore a topic of discussion....if you get my drift.

[Gambit21]

The Yak-7 is definitely a bird I'm looking forward to. I feel as if it will be underestimated and therefore a topic of discussion....if you get my drift.

Drift received

[Ribbon]

After yak-1b only yak-3 version could make me excited!

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

I'm more excited to see this thing in the Stalingrad theater than in the Kuban theater. I have a feeling it'll be a bit more potent there. I also wonder if we'll have the option to remove the fuel tank that sat behind the pilot, as I've read that a lot of pilots did it as it was unprotected and lightened the aircraft when removed. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

[Livai]

Oh, you - Oh, oh. Oh.Well, I only bring it up because, uh, it's you. You're the Rocket Man.

 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Can I make a silly question? Why is the Yak 3 older than the Yak 7? What am I missing? What was the idea behind of not following the 1,3,7 and 9 order?

[Gambit21]

That Yak 7 is Fugly.

Probably the one aircraft so far that I'm in no danger of booting up even once - ever.

Bring on Spit, P-39 and A-20.

[Finkeren]

Can I make a silly question? Why is the Yak 3 older than the Yak 7? What am I missing? What was the idea behind of not following the 1,3,7 and 9 order?

Actually, they did. Work on the Yak-3 started with the I-30 prototype way back in 1941 as a further development of the Yak-1 but it was i initially abandoned after the German invasion.

 

In 1943 the project to make a successor for the Yak-1 was revived and this time based on the advances made with the Yak-1b. Like the I-30 it was a lighter, all-metal construction, but otherwise it had little in common with the "original" Yak-3 idea.

[Livai]

Yak-7 entered service in September 1941. The Yak-7A showed up early 1942 and the Yak-7B had the M-105 PA with two UBS 12.7mm showed up in June 1942. Yak-9 entered service in January 1943.

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

That Yak 7 is Fugly.

Probably the one aircraft so far that I'm in no danger of booting up even once - ever.

Bring on Spit, P-39 and A-20.

 

Is this the part where I say they all look the same?

Edited July 2, 2017 by 9./JG27DefaultFace

[Danziger]

Is this the part where I say they all look the same?

Yak-7 was developed from a two seat trainer so it has a humpback that's kinda fugly.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Fugly... or just having a little character? :D

[Danziger]

Well fugly is in the eye of the beholder.

[Tag777]

I do not care about its aspect, but its armament. An additional .50 machine gun can make a great difference as compared with the yak-1. If we can get the 7-37 later, it would be great 

[Danziger]

Yes 2x12.7mm and a 20mm is a very good armament.

[Dutchvdm]

Was there some change in it's fuselage design? In some pictures the 7 looks big but rather sleek. In other's it looks extremely boxy, borderline ugly...

 

Grt M

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

What are the big differences performance wise anyway? As I understand the 7 is basically a slightly heavier Yak 1, the 9 a slightly lighter 7 and the 3 is the one that was supposed to be pretty dangerous.

Edited July 3, 2017 by 9./JG27DefaultFace

[ShamrockOneFive]

What are the big differences performance wise anyway? As I understand the 7 is basically a slightly heavier Yak 1, the 9 a slightly lighter 7 and the 3 is the one that was supposed to be pretty dangerous.

 

Mostly in the firepower really. The Yak-7 with a M-105PF will be fairly similar to the Series 69 though we may get a slightly later 7 that would probably sit between the Yak-1 and Yak-1B in performance. We don't exactly know yet.

 

The 7 was considered a little more robust and better handling with more range (on some models) and some added firepower as a bonus.

 

Don't forget that the Yak-9U was in the runnings for most dangerous Soviet fighter at the end of World War II alongside the La-7 and Yak-3.The VK-107 gave it a heck of a powerful powerplant.

[Tag777]

Another difference is that the Yak-7 was a more stable platform for the guns, some similar as the Hurricane compared with the Spitfire. So, with that, and the additional armament, it would be more dangerous to the bombers than the Yak-1. At being a little heavier should have a better dive speed too.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Also the extra canopy panel behind the pilot gives it better rear visibility than the Yak-1.

[Eicio]

I'm looking forward to this yak-7, to be honest I find that all the soviets planes we'll get are very interesting (yeah I know 3 of them are not really soviets but that's completly fine to me cause it brings some refreshing new stuff in the sky).

 

The yak 7 is a plane that is rarely emphases in simulations and games i' general so it's nice to have one to handle and understand here.

 

And I read on this thread that we might have some weapon options to choose and I must admit that I really like the planes that you can customize in the game.

 

But well, I've a question about it, I know we don't know exactly the version we'll get but how the yak 7 will do in front of the latest bf 109 and the fw 190 ? Does it stand a chance or will it be butchered like I am in my poor little lagg 3 ?(I know I should play the yak 1 but I love this plane so much)

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I would guess it will fare better than the Yak-1 because better armament and better situational awareness (similar performance), but worse than the Yak-1B because both worse performance and worse SA.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Everything I can find shows that that Yak-1 s.69 outperforms the Yak-7 with M105PA in speed and climb. I can't find data for the yak7b though; only the A version.

Edited July 3, 2017 by hrafnkolbrandr

[ShamrockOneFive]

Everything I can find shows that that Yak-1 s.69 outperforms the Yak-7 with M105PA in speed and climb. I can't find data for the yak7b though; only the A version.

 

Of course. Both fighters were equipped with the M-105PA engine prior to the M-105PF including many of the Yak-7B type. In mid 1942 production switched to using the 105PF along with a host of other changes. Russian manufacturing was very much an iterative process with minor improvements and changes being introduced on the production line. Different factories often had varying quality and airframe performance.

 

 

Aircraft built at Moscow were 25 to 30kg heavier and 15km/h slower. Total production of this type was 5120 aircraft. First seen in combat in August 1942 near Stalingrad.

 

From this link: http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-7b-m105pf.html

 

Also some good data here: http://wio.ru/tacftr/yak.htm

 

Keep in mind because of that iterative process its hard to match exact types to the versions we have. I've found it impossible to find specific data on the Series 69 for example. We do know from past updates that the Yak-7B is a Series 36 but I don't know what that corresponds to.

 

The version quoted as being produced in May 1942 seems to have performance virtually on par with the Yak-1B Series 127 that we have. Surprising to me actually. Though it does seem heavier so that will surely influence some of the handling. New aircraft are just as interesting to me here as something like the Yak-7B which is related to two other types we already have but will surely have its own subtle differences similar to the Bf109 series... maybe even more stark in contrast.

[Gambit21]

 but worse than the Yak-1B because both worse performance and worse SA.

 

 

...and uglier...that affects performance.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

...and uglier...that affects performance.

 

Exactly, the same way a huge wing and a squirrel fart muffler adds 1,000bhp to every 17 year old's 1998 Honda Civic.

[Gambit21]

Exactly, the same way a huge wing and a squirrel fart muffler adds 1,000bhp to every 17 year old's 1998 Honda Civic.

 

Exactamundo

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

...and uglier...that affects performance.

You mean fuglier.

[Gambit21]

You mean fuglier.

 

Aye

[Field-Ops]

If you look at the dev blog with the 3d-model without texturing of the Yak7 he states it is a "Yak-7b series 36 fighter" 

Anyone got info on that?

[ShamrockOneFive]

If you look at the dev blog with the 3d-model without texturing of the Yak7 he states it is a "Yak-7b series 36 fighter" 

Anyone got info on that?

 

Hard to figure out which version the series 36 is... But the one on the left side of the chart here is probably a good guess: http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-7b-m105pf.html

[Finkeren]

Hard to figure out which version the series 36 is... But the one on the left side of the chart here is probably a good guess: http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-7b-m105pf.html

 

Looks like it will be no worse than the S.69, arguably better in a climb. 

 

Nothing too surprising. The -7 airframe was considered an overall improvement over the -1. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Looks like it will be no worse than the S.69, arguably better in a climb. 

 

Nothing too surprising. The -7 airframe was considered an overall improvement over the -1. 

 

If anything ... closer to the Yak-1B S.127 than the 69.