GTX 1070 or 1080...does it make that much difference?

[Blitzen]

Without a long story I find myself having to purchase a new rig instead of retro fitting my old one. I can get a ready made one with a GTX1070 card for abour $300.00 less than the same one with the built in GTX1080.I'm on a budget & all things being equal I'd like to save some money .My tech says both support Oculus pretty well but before I seal this deal I thought I'd try getting input from the guys here...so...?

[Lusekofte]

Are you only flying BOS? Because in DCS ,X plane they report a big difference between  the different 1080´s  when it comes to VR . But DCS 2,1 is currently a mess so it is to early to say. I am in the same dilemma. I wait until 2,1 is sorted, because I planned for a 1070

Edited June 17, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Flitgun]

I use a 1070 and it seems fine. I don't suffer any frame rate drops and the HUD activated does not affect performance that I can see. I have never seen the game through a 1080 card, so I can't say what the difference would be, if any. From what I have heard/read from other users talking about what they can see, I'm happy I went with a 1070.

[Lusekofte]

 

 

I'm happy I went with a 1070.

Thanks this sentence helped me a lot

For once I will buy what I need , not what I think I need

[Blitzen]

I use a 1070 and it seems fine. I don't suffer any frame rate drops and the HUD activated does not affect performance that I can see. I have never seen the game through a 1080 card, so I can't say what the difference would be, if any. From what I have heard/read from other users talking about what they can see, I'm happy I went with a 1070.

I cannot tell you what good news that is!!!

[Flitgun]

Hey, no worries. Thank my wife; she's the one who told me I couldn't buy the 1080.

[RustNeverSleeps]

I use a 1070 and it seems fine. I don't suffer any frame rate drops and the HUD activated does not affect performance that I can see. I have never seen the game through a 1080 card, so I can't say what the difference would be, if any. From what I have heard/read from other users talking about what they can see, I'm happy I went with a 1070.

 

Odd, i have a 1080 and the hud definitely drops my FPS by a solid 20 frames it seems.  Most of the time, although not always.

 

Also do you fly multiplayer over any cities, or with a large number of planes? I get frame drops all the time even with my settings turned down pretty low. So im wondering what im doing wrong...

[Beazil]

The HUD on gives me about 30 fps in general (in VR mode). HUD off usually boosts me to a consistent 89 fps unless I'm low.

As an aside I can't seem to access my "advanced" options for the vive anymore... going to look into that now...

Anyway I hope they can figure out how to reduce the frame rate impact it has in vr mode. Some of that info is important. Plus you miss all the chat info in multiplayer.

 

On the other hand they DID give us the option to turn it off and on, which is a good help. This isn't a bitch session. Just a wish.

Edited June 18, 2017 by Beazil

[Flitgun]

... the HUD activated does not affect performance that I can see.

 

 

Odd, i have a 1080 and the hud definitely drops my FPS by a solid 20 frames it seems.  Most of the time, although not always.

 

Also do you fly multiplayer over any cities, or with a large number of planes? I get frame drops all the time even with my settings turned down pretty low. So im wondering what im doing wrong...

 

Other than watching a FPS counter, can you see the performance affected? For me, I see no difference. I notice nothing when I switch HUD on and off, in battle or not, over Stalingrad or not and in a multiplayer furball of 20 - no change that I can see. It all seems as smooth as a glass table.

 

I don't spend a lot of time monitoring FPS counters, and I'm sure if I did I would see some changes in FPS as that's what one sees regularly when staring at FPS counters. What I am saying is that I do not experience game performance that I notice as being bad. The game experience is consistently good - HUD on or off. 

[sinned]

Are you only flying BOS? Because in DCS ,X plane they report a big difference between the different 1080´s when it comes to VR . But DCS 2,1 is currently a mess so it is to early to say. I am in the same dilemma. I wait until 2,1 is sorted, because I planned for a 1070

Didnt you say you dont get what the fuss is about VR and such doesnt interest you?

 

Anyway, people will find direct source of information here rather than what you read off some internet . Lets not degrade quality of advices here.

Edited June 18, 2017 by sinned

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I have 1070 and Banzi has 1080 , i'm playing with higher resolution (3440x1440 vs 2550x1440)  but performance waise there is not that big gap... if you have 180 fps vs 160 fps the difference is not that important, 10 vs 30 would be huge!

Edited June 18, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[dburne]

It would seem some comments are not necessarily related to VR , at least in regards to the HUD. There is a significant performance gap between having the HUD displayed or hidden when flying in VR. I always keep the HUD hidden for best performance as I fly only in VR.

 

In regards to the OP question, yes the 1070 will be fine for VR. Certainly the 1080 would be little better, especially the current 1080 Ti. If money were not a big deal I would certainly recommend the 1080 Ti with VR in mind, but if that savings is a big deal you will be fine with the 1070. Think of the two as the Better and Best cards. 

[216th_Jordan]

Agree the 1070 is probably the best card there is right now performance/pricewise. Performance gains of the 1080 is maybe 15-20% while price is doubled. For BoS there is absolutely no problem running everything on ultra on a 2k screen with even quite some overhead left.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Depends on the place you live and prices. I've picked about a month ago (not long after 1080Ti release) Palit GTX 1080 for the price of GTX 1070, so adding no money he got a superior GPU. 

 

1070 will do more than fine and will be enough. But if you can get 1080 for similar or marginally higher price it simply could be worth it. Either way you will be satisfied. 

[Virus*]

I have a 1070 and play in VR with Box is ok 89fps most of the time with high details and no HUD... otherwise is 45 with asw.

On the other hand you could a 1080 for a lower price now that the Ti is out...i'd wait for Vega in July as the prices could be still lower then now for choosing best card quality/price. just my two cents.

[chiliwili69]

The performance (fps) in VR not only depends on the GPU (in this case 1070 or 1080). The CPU is also a determining factor.

 

If you have the 1070 with the 7700K or 6700K (or better) you are more than fine to fly BOS in VR for current generation of devices (Rift and Vive).

But having a 1070 doesn´t guarantee that you will be fine in VR.

 

In my case I have a i7-4790 with a 1070, and it is "not enough" for BOS in VR.

 

There is a thread where this is analyzed: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline/

 

and Balapan shared a table that I sorted based on VR performance for the base case recorded flight:

You will see that Ganeshka was obtaining 4870 frames (in the 1 minute base case) with a 6700K and 1070. Very close to people with 7700K and 1080Ti.

The test doesn´t take into account the Multiplayer factor. In my case I am just SP.

 

So, a 1070 will be enough if the CPU is "good enough".

 

In 18 months, it will start to appear 2nd generation of VR devices, so at that time we all need to upgrade our GPUs o CPUs. Save the money for that time.

Edited June 18, 2017 by chiliwili69

[Blitzen]

Oculus up and going on the1070 card I still have a 1080 left over from first purchase but I can return for refund. My question is is it worth it to install now? Will it improve god or clarity of image now? Do I need to think of just holding on to it for 18 months or install now or getting a refund to buy a new set of controllers for VR???

[chiliwili69]

What CPU do you have?

 

You can test both and compare their performance. If your CPU is good enough, with the 1080 you could go a bit further in terms of pixel density without affecting the fps.

 

You can run the balapan test flight and report your comparison.

[JG27*Kornezov]

Consider the alternative . I am playing with a second hand rig for 100 USD (Fujistsu Esprimo with 8 Gb Ram) updated with CPU for 35 USD from eBay (quad q9650 - 3 Ghz)  with new GPU Geforce 750 ti. LOL. and small SSD for 55 USD.

Total cost: arround 300 USD.

Edited June 29, 2017 by JG27_Kornezov

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Consider the alternative . I am playing with a second hand rig for 100 USD (Fujistsu Esprimo with 8 Gb Ram) updated with CPU for 35 USD from eBay (quad q9650 - 3 Ghz)  with new GPU Geforce 750 ti. LOL. and small SSD for 55 USD.

Total cost: arround 300 USD.

In VR?

Must be permanently in reprojection?

Not that reprojection is so bad, I was doing fine with my old PC a i5-2500k@4.5 and GTX970 prior to upgrading.

[JG27*Kornezov]

Ups sorry it is not about VR, the alternative was to postpone the VR in OR for the moment. The pixels are so annoying at the current state of the technology.

I have my own 3D solution but it is a skill not technology. I am able to perceive the flat screen as window from a plane. When I put the Rift regarding strictu sensu about 3d perception on I see no difference from what I am perceiving anyway (except that you perceive the sizes at their normal sizes and the immersion that you are in the cockpit).

[chiliwili69]

I have updated the Balapan table with some new test with my new i7-4790K and a 1070:

Conclusion for VR with BOS:

If your budget is limited,  don´t spend it in a 1080 or 1080Ti. Go for a 1070 and a good CPU with Overcloking and a good CPU cooling system and exploit that.

More details at:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline/

Edited July 2, 2017 by chiliwili69

[nessuno0505]

I am a new player and I play (or at least try to, not really a good pilot) with 1070 + i7 6700K  and oculus rift.

I don't know my fps, but the game seems quite smooth, even better than dcs. No issues at all.

The only issue is the lack of rudder trim in the yak-1... 

[HunDread]

I am a new player and I play (or at least try to, not really a good pilot) with 1070 + i7 6700K  and oculus rift.

I don't know my fps, but the game seems quite smooth, even better than dcs. No issues at all.

The only issue is the lack of rudder trim in the yak-1... 

 

BOX has a built in FPS counter that works well in VR too. Default key is the backspace as far as I remember

[TP_Silk]

Any updates to this now that we're even more settled into VR and had a few driver updates?

[Bombzey]

I bought a GTX 1070 as was the perfect card for my budget (the bigger i7 was much more important). Then when I had saved up a bit more I bought another 1070 and now run them in SLI   

 

I know SLI isn't supported by every piece of software out there but the ones that matter to me do.

 

Currently running IL-2 maxed out on a Predator 34A with absolutely no problems and high FPS.

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

You can sli in VR?

[dburne]

You can sli in VR?

 

There is currently no benefit to SLI in VR. 

 

I believe he is running on a monitor based on his post ( Predator 34A)

Edited September 19, 2017 by dburne