Jason - Please can we have a Hurri?

[HBPencil]

Would I buy it? Sure. Would I want the devs to spend time on it instead of other things? Nope.

I have nothing against the Hurri and I get why people are want it both for it's historical contribution and because of their fondness for it, but I feel that (for me at least) it wouldn't bring anything new to the table. If you fly red and want something fun, there's the I-16. Want low/med alt performance? The Yaks and La-5 are the way to go. High alt? MiG-3 and the upcoming Vb. Firepower? LaGG-3 or P-40 aren't bad at all and the Il-2 & Pe-2 are there for ground pounding. Basically I feel the Hurri would be a slightly lack luster jack-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none which might, after the initial honeymoon, become under utilized. For me it would be a nice-to-have rather than a need-to-have.

HB

[FlyingNutcase]

In terms of gameplay expansion, a Storch (or FW 189) for recce would be grand. The Hurri would be nice for it's iconicity.

[Finkeren]

Fw 189/Po-2 would be a dream set, but it would require the implementation of recon missions. A port of the simplistic system in RoF would be enough.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Yeah.... lots of valid points and I think gameplay should be the most important thing but as we know, they are already working on the other aspects like multiplayer Co-op and career modes. I can't wait for CO-OP mode to fly with my TS mates.

 

Remember that Midway and Pacific theatre might not happen soon or even not at all, so we may have to get alternatives and more DLC in the meantime.

 

Planes like the Storch and Po-2's will be great to have in the hangar.

 

It must be really difficult for the DEVs, all this whining from us and they have already done an amazing job for such a niche sim. S.

[NETSCAPE]

1 recon plane per side and the subsequent expansion of the game to include a new mission type would be awesome! I would LOVE to hop in a FW 189! 

[Yogiflight]

+1

FW189 with proper missions would be a dream come true.

[TP_Silk]

I'm still not sure what metrics one could use to establish success or failure of a recce mission. I'm not against the planes, I'm not against developing something for them, I'm just unsure on the how. It's not impossible, the Ju-52 supply missions show us that.

 

EDIT - I'm not talking about MP missions here - I can see how recce can be incorporated into those realistically and well. I'm on about SP play.

Edited June 9, 2017 by TP_Silk

[Feathered_IV]

I'm still not sure what metrics one could use to establish success or failure of a recce mission. I'm not against the planes, I'm not against developing something for them, I'm just unsure on the how. It's not impossible, the Ju-52 supply missions show us that.

 

EDIT - I'm not talking about MP missions here - I can see how recce can be incorporated into those realistically and well. I'm on about SP play.

 

In SP it would best be suited to locating specific targets, photographing installations, loitering on target until attack aircraft arrive, sending contact reports and shadowing ships (timer for success) and doing post-strike reconnaissance of previously bombed targets.  That's off the top of my head.  I could probably think of a few more.

[Dutchvdm]

Photorecon can be implemented just like in ROF. Even in MP this could be a thing just like with the Ju-52. Let the recon planes make photo's of airfields and target's. Give points for every photo of enemy unit and distribute these photo's between the team (Don't know how yet, but maybe with an extra feature within the current map). This way teams can use these photo's for assigning targets. 

 

Grt M

[Feathered_IV]

More than that, MP recon aircraft could leech away points from an opposing team for every minute they loiter over or shadow a target, with a portion of those recon points being awarded to the player.  Their presence could light up a stationary target on the map, or highlight a moving one for a set period of time or until they are chased away.  Loitering over a frontline target might trigger an artillery barrage on it.  Again, credit for the destruction going to the player.  More fruity tasks like search and rescue or vip recon could be done too. 

[Dutchvdm]

More than that, MP recon aircraft could leech away points from an opposing team for every minute they loiter over or shadow a target, with a portion of those recon points being awarded to the player. Their presence could light up a stationary target on the map, or highlight a moving one for a set period of time or until they are chased away. Loitering over a frontline target might trigger an artillery barrage on it. Again, credit for the destruction going to the player. More fruity tasks like search and rescue or vip recon could be done too.

Very nice ideas for visual recon!! Like it a lot!

 

Grt M

[Gambit21]

More than that, MP recon aircraft could leech away points from an opposing team for every minute they loiter over or shadow a target, with a portion of those recon points being awarded to the player.  Their presence could light up a stationary target on the map, or highlight a moving one for a set period of time or until they are chased away.  Loitering over a frontline target might trigger an artillery barrage on it.  Again, credit for the destruction going to the player.  More fruity tasks like search and rescue or vip recon could be done too. 

 

Yep, an artillery barrage would be easy enough to trigger like this.

What we would need I think is an "on loitered" event in the complex trigger, with an ability to set the time to trigger the next event.

That event might be an artillery barrage, or mission success, or any number of things.

 

As it stands its doable with a bit of MCU trickery in the editor. Putting the event on a timer after the player enters (say 3 minutes) but placing an "on exited" trigger in the same zone that will stop the event if the player

leaves before 3 minutes.

[CIA_Yankee_]

How dare the devs give us lots of things to buy?!?!? What do they think it is that they are running? Some kind of business?

 

Welcome to modern gaming: where developers are expected to create additional content for free, and where core games need to be fuller and richer than ever before with a price point from the 80s.

 

But in truth it doesn't matter what they do, it will generate negative reviews and outcry. It's the nature of the internets nowadays, I'm afraid.

 

That being said, I'd love any new collector's planes. The more the merrier.

[CIA_Yankee_]

I could go for a Storch and a Po-2 as well.

 

With those planes I'd use IL-2 as a straight up flight sim, flying around 40s eastern europe just enjoying the flight and scenery.

[Pilot_Rabbit]

It's a buy for me.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

More than that, MP recon aircraft could leech away points from an opposing team for every minute they loiter over or shadow a target, with a portion of those recon points being awarded to the player.  Their presence could light up a stationary target on the map, or highlight a moving one for a set period of time or until they are chased away.  Loitering over a frontline target might trigger an artillery barrage on it.  Again, credit for the destruction going to the player.  More fruity tasks like search and rescue or vip recon could be done too. 

 

That is a great idea!!! 

[sinned]

No need to waste time and resources to develop non-mainstream "flyable" collectors plane. Not enough sales.

 

Just have ai fly them and we will either shoot them down or bomb them on airfield.

 

Enough favors already done from dev to community.

Edited June 10, 2017 by sinned

[Trooper117]

It's not a favour that is being asked for now is it.

[sinned]

You are right trooper. Sorry. Please let me take back what i said above. Asking for another inadequate sale, non-mainstream flyable planes is not an innoculous act of asking for favors.

 

It is a disgusting online robbery scheme that makes some African inheritence bs a child's play.

[CanadaOne]

When people pay for something, it is commerce, not a favour.

 

Commerce is what brought BOX to life and what will keep it alive.

[sinned]

"I have the other planes except for the Ju-52, and that isn't going to happen"

 

-CanadaOne

 

Above is an outstanding example of ppl talking big but cannot follow through an action.

 

Go get your JU52 first.

 

Funny you speak about paying for something. If my memory serves me correct, arent you that individual who complained that dev should give away planes for free to show appreciation for some loyal customer like yourself?

 

Lol

Edited June 10, 2017 by sinned

[NO_SQDeriku777]

Extra premium planes above and beyond what the Devs are considering should be handled via a Kickstarter method. Let all of the interested parties put up enough money to make it worth the Devs time. I really wish the JU-52 had been handled that way. I don't know the actual sales numbers but I am afraid that that experience may have led to a lot of caution going forward. This thread is full of passionate people with full pockets. That does not necessarily translate into enough overall sales to justify a sound business decision. In any case I really don't get people getting bent out of shape over people just asking for stuff. If 1C just made business decisions based on random forum posts they wouldn't be able to stay in business. Jason seems to know what he is doing.

[Haza]

As much as I like the Hurricane (Big Hurricane CLOD fan), perhaps the financial return from sales wouldn't justify the time and expense for creating a platform to the standards that we have all come to expect from this team.  Jason has already mentioned that they do not have a big team.  In-deed I was very surprised when the updated LA-5 engine was given as free, therefore I think that this team have been generous and we do get things for no real apparent out-lay.

 

However, as we move forward with BOK and PTO, I would sooner invest my money in a pre-purchase for BOP or perhaps even a G-6, as I'm sure that the G-6 would draw in the crowds more than the Hurricane, as much as i would purchase a Hurricane. 

[CanadaOne]

"I have the other planes except for the Ju-52, and that isn't going to happen"

 

-CanadaOne

 

Above is an outstanding example of ppl talking big but cannot follow through an action.

 

Go get your JU52 first.

 

Funny you speak about paying for something. If my memory serves me correct, arent you that individual who complained that dev should give away planes for free to show appreciation for some loyal customer like yourself?

 

Lol

 

I can't imagine any customer will promise to buy everything, but as you can see from the badges, I have dropped a few bucks ($250+) and bought a few extra planes as well. And I will buy more. I think I am your average good customer and that's about as much as can be reasonably expected in free market commerce.

 

And I did not complain about the developers having to offer free planes, I said it would be nice if they did at one point. Those are not the same things. And I hold to the point that if things go well for BOX, a free plane somewhere along the lines would be much appreciated by all. A party favour, if you would.

 

For my part, I do not understand why you continue to portray such pointed dissatisfaction with all of this. It is curious.

[CanadaOne]

"I have the other planes except for the Ju-52, and that isn't going to happen"

 

-CanadaOne

 

Above is an outstanding example of ppl talking big but cannot follow through an action.

 

Go get your JU52 first.

 

Funny you speak about paying for something. If my memory serves me correct, arent you that individual who complained that dev should give away planes for free to show appreciation for some loyal customer like yourself?

 

Lol

 

And to show you I speak from my wallet and am willing to show support for the team, I just bought the Yak 1B about two-minutes ago.

 

Wish me happy flying.

[sinned]

I love how you embellish yourself. Yak 1b for your own flying or purely for support of the dev? Where is your ju52? Not worth your definition of commerce or your support eh?

Do some gifting too and maybe i will buy into your "i support for dev" mental masturbation.

 

Please.

[sinned]

Extra premium planes above and beyond what the Devs are considering should be handled via a Kickstarter method. Let all of the interested parties put up enough money to make it worth the Devs time. I really wish the JU-52 had been handled that way. I don't know the actual sales numbers but I am afraid that that experience may have led to a lot of caution going forward. This thread is full of passionate people with full pockets. That does not necessarily translate into enough overall sales to justify a sound business decision. In any case I really don't get people getting bent out of shape over people just asking for stuff. If 1C just made business decisions based on random forum posts they wouldn't be able to stay in business. Jason seems to know what he is doing.

+1 additional product development beyond dev's consideration should require those innocent "just asking" requesters' money.

A kickstarter fund.

If fund has enough subscription, subject product would be considered. If not, ppl should just suck their thumb.

 

Ju52 was a result of a forum based business decision. Take a look at what this loud shitshow minority has done. A flyable transport plane which ppl dont even activate them when received for free.

Edited June 10, 2017 by sinned

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

How much money would be it necessary in a fund raising to make this plane worthy? 

[Danziger]

+1 additional product development beyond dev's consideration should require those innocent "just asking" requesters' money.

A kickstarter fund.

If fund has enough subscription, subject product would be considered. If not, ppl should just suck their thumb.

 

Ju52 was a result of a forum based business decision. Take a look at what this loud shitshow minority has done. A flyable transport plane which ppl dont even activate them when received for free.

You really don't like that Ju-52...

[NO_SQDeriku777]

I am glad you agree with my idea. No poster is this thread has the power to compel 1 C to do anything. Why bother getting worked up over people posting their wish list? If the decision to build the JU-52 based solely on forum input did not work out financially for 1C then they I am 100% confident that they are NEVER going to repeat the same mistake.

 

1C should sell a generic premium plane for $20 that entitles the owner to vote on a selected menu of possible future premium planes. If their plane wins they auto-redeem the plane as a pre-order. Otherwise they can participate in future premium plane votes. You could own multiple generic planes for multiple votes.

 

I think the JU-52 will get more play when they release the Air Marshall and people get more creative with the Mission editor. A custom mission objective that triggers a mission success and auto despawn once you get your JU-52 alive two grids range out of Gumrak into a fog bank with two working engines would be cool. Rinse and repeat until evacuation quota is met.

 

+1 additional product development beyond dev's consideration should require those innocent "just asking" requesters' money.

A kickstarter fund.

If fund has enough subscription, subject product would be considered. If not, ppl should just suck their thumb.

Ju52 was a result of a forum based business decision. Take a look at what this loud shitshow minority has done. A flyable transport plane which ppl dont even activate them when received for free.

Edited June 10, 2017 by NO_SQDeriku777

[ShamrockOneFive]

And to show you I speak from my wallet and am willing to show support for the team, I just bought the Yak 1B about two-minutes ago.

 

Wish me happy flying.

 

Nice! The Yak-1B is so much fun to fly.

 

 

I love how you embellish yourself. Yak 1b for your own flying or purely for support of the dev? Where is your ju52? Not worth your definition of commerce or your support eh?

Do some gifting too and maybe i will buy into your "i support for dev" mental masturbation.

 

Please.

 

Each sale of a plane does support the devs in a small way. Overall sales will matter most and they will determine what business model is working what isn't. Also I see you're back on the Ju52 kick... its hard to drop that eh? 

Edited June 10, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[sinned]

You really don't like that Ju-52...

I do like Ju52. I like all planes. I preordered ju52 and flew it much in mp until i realized i dont see anyone else flying one.

 

What i dont like is ppl who are in denial, like yourself. You just want to believe its the plane thats disliked.

What induces vomit is the shitshow which ppl misled bos dev to develop a poorly sold product, talk about "how sound success it is" and then ask for more non-mainstream plane development based on some non-existent popularity (except the same group of ppl keep commenting on the same post). Asking questionable product to a dev team that is underfunded. A sequel to a product that needs more sales.... this loud minority shitshow makes any online dating scam-"hi handsome, my father is sick and i need to pay for his medical bill" look rather a civilized charity scheme.

 

Hell, it only hurts some moron's wallet and heart.

 

Continuation of this shitshow risks career and lives of the entire team of dedicated and talented developers.

[NO_SQDeriku777]

Really you need to let this go. What happened with the JU-52 happened. Jason knows what he is doing. It's not going to happen again. If people that have not bought the game come into this forum they are going to see a lot of negativity and a toxic atmosphere. That is not going to help the Devs, sales, or the future of the game.

 

I do like Ju52. I like all planes. I preordered ju52 and flew it much in mp until i realized i dont see anyone else flying one.

What i dont like is ppl who are in denial, like yourself. You just want to believe its the plane thats disliked.

What induces vomit is the shitshow which ppl misled bos dev to develop a poorly sold product, talk about "how sound success it is" and then ask for more non-mainstream plane development based on some non-existent popularity (except the same group of ppl keep commenting on the same post). Asking questionable product to a dev team that is underfunded. A sequel to a product that needs more sales.... this loud minority shitshow makes any online dating scam-"hi handsome, my father is sick and i need to pay for his medical bill" look rather a civilized charity scheme.

Hell, it only hurts some moron's wallet and heart.

Continuation of this shitshow risks career and lives of the entire team of dedicated and talented developers.

Edited June 10, 2017 by NO_SQDeriku777

[Trooper117]

It's all pretty simple... the dev's produce collector planes.

Individuals can buy them, or not, depending on whether they like them, or simply wish to support the team, or just have money to burn.

 

It's not rocket science, it just comes down to peoples preferences that's all. If you don't like something, don't buy it.

 

Me, I have to be careful with my money, but will endeavour to buy stuff I like if I can afford things.

Luckily, my kids are grown and often buy me stuff that is flight sim related, otherwise I wouldn't be able to afford a lot of the gear I have.

[Livai]

Port the Hurri from CloD to BoX and send the model to the Devs = Problem solved

[Trooper117]

The dev's have already shown why that isn't possible with CloD aircraft... there are discrepancies

[sinned]

Nice! The Yak-1B is so much fun to fly.

 

 

 

Each sale of a plane does support the devs in a small way. Overall sales will matter most and they will determine what business model is working what isn't. Also I see you're back on the Ju52 kick... its hard to drop that eh?

A self claimed supporter isnt some yak1b buyer or fw190. A true supporter worthy this series is someone like yourself who devotes his time and money to host a website, writing fine yet objective articles to inform potential buyers of bos updates, reviews and offerings.

This also goes to gifter and youtubers too.

 

That said, after jason has specifically confirmed that ju52 needs more sales, i am glad to see you no longer questioning the obvious.

[sinned]

Really you need to let this go. What happened with the JU-52 happened. Jason knows what he is doing. It's not going to happen again. If people that have not bought the game come into this forum they are going to see a lot of negativity and a toxic atmosphere. That is not going to help the Devs, sales, or the future of the game.

 

 

I will observe your comment about possibly influencing potential buyer's perception in a negative way when they visit. I will step down for now.

 

I will express my opinion again if i, in my subjectivity, see toxic posts of mobs that may cloud dev's judgment.

 

Jason indeed does know what he is doing.

 

We simply return it with sales and with help in our best capability to expand the bos fold.

Edited June 10, 2017 by sinned

[sinned]

Lastly, for those who found my comments offensive and have developed grudges that can only be reconciled over skies of bos, you can find me flying in coconuts sever.

[Trooper117]

I don't see any toxic mobs... I see your posts, I see others responding, but I don't see a toxic mob.

I would suggest a large coffee is in order, and of course the removal of whatever you have stuffed up your hoop, lol!