He-111H-6 Historical Accuracy of the Single Bomb Bay

[=KG76=flyus747]

OK is there anyone that is confused as to why the H6 in BOS only has one bomb bay?  Was this a configuration specific to the Luftwaffe during the Stalingrad campaign?  Did a majority of the He111s in Stalingrad only use this single bomb bay configuration?

 

This is probably my favorite bomber from WWII and when I found out that BOS was including this bomber, I knew I had to get it for the most realistic '111 experience'.  Then I got the game and discovered this single bomb bay and was like [edited]?

 

From the photos I have seen of the H6, a single bomb bay was not the only configuration on the H6. 

 

Maybe I am wrong and unknowingly made another H variant, but I mean, even War Thunder's H6 has two bomb bay doors.  Yes the game isn't really known for being as accurate as IL2, but surely they aren't wrong in this instance right? 

 

I just want to hear your guys' thoughts, so any info is appreciated.  Documents are even better as they would totally settle this question.

Edited June 1, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
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[JG4_dingsda]

Concerning this discussion have a look here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26118-he-111-permanent-external-hardpoint-prevents-full-internal-l/?fromsearch=1

[Finkeren]

Basically, there is at best circumstancial evidence, that some H6 could have been modified to make the second bomb bay operational, However there is a shortage of evidence that it was ever done.

 

All H6 had one bomb bay off the factory floor.

[Blutaar]

Why not bend the rules a bit like with the Mig3 which is a combination of different versions?

 

I would like a full internal bombload for the H6 per modification/unlock.

[Finkeren]

Why not bend the rules a bit like with the Mig3 which is a combination of different versions?

 

I would like a full internal bombload for the H6 per modification/unlock.

Because there is no hard evidence to suggest, that the H6 with 2 bomb bays ever existed.

 

About the MiG-3: There were never any 'versions' of the MiG, modifications to the design was done at different points in the factories and sometimes retroactively in the field. Thus in late 1941 the MiGs left in service might include or lack any of the new features introduced during its short production run.

 

What we have is a pretty good representation of a late 1941 production MiG-3, except for the tailwheel not being locked down, which was often, but not always, done late in its service life.

 

Our MiG has slats, deleted ventral fuel tank, the late 'long nose' cowl panels, retractable tail wheel, the late type propeller with improved pitch range plus a few other things I've probably forgotten.

 

Which of these are not in concordance with a late 1941 MiG-3?

[LukeFF]

Why not bend the rules a bit like with the Mig3 which is a combination of different versions?

 

I would like a full internal bombload for the H6 per modification/unlock.

Because the German tech manuals clearly show there wasn't a second bomb bay fitted.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I would like to point out that the He111H-16 has a second bomb bay that seems to work pretty well!

 

[JtD]

The left side of the bomb bay was permanently occupied with a 'Zusatzbehälter' ('extra tank') for oil and for fuel. It was, in theory, removable, but it is explicitly stated in the manual that no matter which armament option is chosen, the extra tanks were to stay. Which means that the bomb bay was limited to the right half when used as such.

[MAJ_stug41]

First guy linked my thread on this, all the answers are there. 1000kg in the single bay is plenty anyways, so I can't really complain.

[Riderocket]

He 111 H-6

 

16 x 50 = 800

4 x 250 = 1,000

1 x 500 + 16 x 50 = 1,300

1 x 500 + 4 x 250 = 1,500

2 x 1000 = 2000

1 x 1000 + 16 x 50 = 1800

1 x 1000 + 4 x 250 = 2000

2 x 1800 = 3600

1 x 1800 + 16 x 50 = 2600

1 x 1800 + 4 x 250 = 2800

1 x 1800 + 1 x 1000 = 2800

1 x 2500 = 2500

1 x 2500 + 1 x 1000 = 3500

 

He 111 H-16

 

16 x 50 = 800

32 x 50 = 1,600

4 x 250 = 1,000

8 x 250 = 2,000

4 x 250 + 16 x 50 = 1,800

1 x 500 + 16 x 50 = 1,300

1 x 500 + 4 x 250 = 1,500

2 x 500 = 1,000

2 x 1000 = 2000

1 x 1000 + 16 x 50 = 1800

1 x 1000 + 4 x 250 = 2000

2 x 1800 = 3600

1 x 1800 + 16 x 50 = 2600

1 x 1800 + 4 x 250 = 2800

1 x 1800 + 1 x 1000 = 2800

1 x 2500 = 2500

1 x 2500 + 16 x 50 = 3300

1 x 2500 + 4 x 250 = 3500

1 x 2500 + 1 x 1000 = 3500 

 

the ones highlighted in red are the benefits of having an extra bomb bay. IMHO, not that much better then what we have.

[Finkeren]

It doesn't matter if it is better or not. The H6 didn't have an operational second bomb bay, hence it should not have it in the sim.

[1./KG4_OldJames]

Buy BoK, or BoM and use an H16, problem solved