Centered Quick View is lacking functionality from predecessors...

[dreyer]

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From IL2 of old I’m missing the ability to combine numpad keys for camera control when using the Centered Quick View camera mode.

 

As an example, you could combine the numpad_8 and numpad_6 to look UP and to the RIGHT in IL2 as I remember playing it. This meant using the numpad I could look at any angle I pleased very quickly.

 

In Battle of Stalingrad pressing these together does nothing which pretty much means using the numpad for camera control leaves me with huge gaps in my visibility.

 

This is completely game breaking for me, is there a workaround? None of the other camera modes are sufficient/fast enough.

 

I own an old Track-IR 4, however I quickly discarded the idea of using it after a few hours use after purchase as it was far too slow and inferior to using numpad in the old days.

 

I’m also really missing a quick zoom button. As far as I can recall IL2 used to have a preset ZOOM that cycled between 100%, 50% and 25% (?). Now the only option I have is to hold in the zoom button to manually zoom in and out?

 

EIDT: So with the help of TG-55Panthercules I figured out how to do this properly. It's just a bit different from IL2 of old:

 

Under Key mappings -> Pilot Head Control there is a modifier binding:

Pilot head snap position modifier: upper/lower/custom

 

This means instead of combining NUMPAD_6 and NUMPAD_8 for UP and to the RIGHT you will combine NUMPAD_8 and the key bound for modifier:upper, which by default is numpad_0.

Edited June 3, 2017 by dreyer

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

 

I own an old Track-IR 4, however I quickly discarded the idea of using it after a few hours use after purchase as it was far too slow and inferior to using numpad in the old days.

 

...Wat?

 

You must have it extremely badly configured if you thought so. Have you tried to change the settings on it?

[dreyer]

...Wat?

 

You must have it extremely badly configured if you thought so. Have you tried to change the settings on it?

 

I don't remember the details anymore but I did tinker with it. Perhaps the newer versions have faster and improved tracking which allow you to flip your view around the cockpit from behind to left to right to above and behind again in less 2 seconds? That was how I played I would continuously snap to every relevant angle, often more than once a second. TrackIR simply could not keep up, at least not at the time. Something tells me that even if it does today playing like that would be bad for your neck.. (?).

 

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a TrackIR discussion

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Go into camera settings and you can change the pan and zoom speeds from really slow to stupidly fast. I'm not sure about the snap views but they are there in the settings you will just have to set them up. And also u must have not spent too much time in TIR settings as you can make the movement super sensitive to the point where u only have to move your head a couple of cm for full in game head movement

[dreyer]

Go into camera settings and you can change the pan and zoom speeds from really slow to stupidly fast. I'm not sure about the snap views but they are there in the settings you will just have to set them up. And also u must have not spent too much time in TIR settings as you can make the movement super sensitive to the point where u only have to move your head a couple of cm for full in game head movement

Yeah I know, those settings are maxed

 

TrackIR with such sensitivity does not sounds very precise. I might very well be wrong with today's technology, but when I tried my TrackIR 4 all those years ago it was just very clear to me that it was inferior to using the numpad, especially when it came to situational awareness. In general it was either the same or worse in terms of performance, I saw no benefit when doing combat. Possibly the only advantage I saw was it gave a comfortable and fluid camera motion when flying around on a sunday stroll or for making videos

[Finkeren]

I have TrackIR5 and have it set to extremely high sensitivity, so that I never have to move my head more than a few cm in any direction. Works flawlessly and is more than precise enough.

[dreyer]

I have TrackIR5 and have it set to extremely high sensitivity, so that I never have to move my head more than a few cm in any direction. Works flawlessly and is more than precise enough.

Alright, good to know.

 

I won't be getting it just because the game doesn't allow for proper camera control without it though

 

I just tested CLOD and in CLOD you can bind camera to for instance 90¤ RIGHT ¤90 UP as you should be able to.

 

Unless I can find a way to control my camera well enough I'll have to move on from BoS and go with CLOD because it's unplayable at the moment.

Edited May 31, 2017 by dreyer

[Sgt_Joch]

I have the Track Ir 4.

 

it works perfectly in BOS, very fast and precise which is the reason why I have not bothered to upgrade to the 5 model.

 

make sure you are using the latest natural point software,i.e. 5.4.2.

 

I would also highly recommend Requiem's june 2014 Tir Profile available here:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3625-air-combat-tutorials-tir-profile-g940-controls-sweetfx-updat/

[Sokol1]

 

I’m also really missing a quick zoom button. As far as I can recall IL2 used to have a preset ZOOM that cycled between 100%, 50% and 25% (?). Now the only option I have is to hold in the zoom button to manually zoom in and out?

 

BoS use different camera control of old IL-2 (or CloD that use basically IL2:46 settings, worsened in some cases), there no pre set "ZOOM" (Del-End-PageDown keys in IL-2:46 for 35-70-90 FOV), BoS use progressive FOV, press a key or joy button/HAT for increase, other for decrease.

 

PAN control in BoS (select with F9) give a better camera control than fixed snap views (this control method is legacy of when flight games has no 3D cockpits).

Example of camera control using HAT:

 

 

But if you study BoS camera options can mimic the IL-2:46 fixed "ZOOM" customizing snap views:

 

https://youtu.be/rIKNCf0vKFE?t=1123

[dreyer]

Thank you for the resources and information.

 

It's great to hear that you can simulate the zoom method using snap views. That's progress.

 

However, Pan view is just awful. Requiring additional key presses to achieve the same level of control as Centered Quick View means it will never perform as well. It is simply inferior.

 

Why you can't combine NUMPAD_8 and NUMPAD_6 for instance to look UP and to the RIGHT is beyond me. It's inexcusable to me to be honest and completely breaks the game for me. I cannot play without such core functionality. Camera control is the number one most important aspect of a combat sim.

 

So that leaves me with the possible option of purchasing TrackIR5 and setting it up which leaves me with a very sour taste in my mouth considering basic camera control functionality has been omitted from the game.

 

If they fix Centered Quick View to work as you would expect it to work I would love to invest time into the game. As it stands it would appear CLOD is my only other option.

[Riderocket]

BoS control scheme is the same as Rise of Flight, because they use the same game engine.

 

You shouldn't really compare BoS with 46 or CloD because the only thing they have in common is the name and WW2 theme.

 

There are a few tutorials on YouTube about how to setup camera views for rise of flight (including snap views) where you use numpad to look around. To look Up and Left, you need to use Numpad 7 instead of 8 and 4.

 

But like i said, don't goto 46 or CloD for help...

Look up Rise of Flight tutorials because its essentially the same game but WW1.

Edited June 2, 2017 by Riderocket

[DD_Arthur]

Dreyer I have lots of experience of IL2 1946 and Cliff's and I can tell you all you seem to be demanding is available in this game if you know how to do it.  I'd start by checking out the manual;

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/16752-il-2bos-user-manual-released-first-edition-english/

 

Also; you have TrackIr 4?  Well now is the time to start using it.  No need at all to buy the mk 5 version, just install the latest software from Natural Point and then be prepared to spend some time setting up snap views and experimenting with camera speeds.

[dreyer]

Dreyer I have lots of experience of IL2 1946 and Cliff's and I can tell you all you seem to be demanding is available in this game if you know how to do it.  I'd start by checking out the manual;

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/16752-il-2bos-user-manual-released-first-edition-english/

 

Also; you have TrackIr 4?  Well now is the time to start using it.  No need at all to buy the mk 5 version, just install the latest software from Natural Point and then be prepared to spend some time setting up snap views and experimenting with camera speeds.

 

Please help me here, I've read the manual and I see nothing that would indicate I can setup my controls the way I have specified.

[TG-55Panthercules]

Please help me here, I've read the manual and I see nothing that would indicate I can setup my controls the way I have specified.

 

I haven't read the manual lately, but just for grins I went in to BoS to see if I could figure out what you're trying to do.  It took me a couple of tries to figure it out because I've never used snap views and can't imagine why anybody would prefer to do that over using TIR, but in any event I pretty quickly figured out how to do what I think it is you're trying to do (unless I misunderstand your desire here).

 

Using normal default controls settings (and using centered snap view mode), by pressing the usual num pad keys I get snap views all around the clock on a normal horizontal level.  Thus, pressing numpad 7 gives me forward-left-quarter view.  Then, if I press the normal numpad key along with numpad 0 at the same time, it gives me the expected view but upward (so, numpad 7 and numpad 0 together gives me forward-left-quarter-up view).  Similarly, pressing the normal numpad keys together with numpad enter at the same time gives me the expected view but down (so, numpad 7 and numpad enter together gives me forward-left-quarter-down view).

 

Isn't that basically the same thing you're looking for here?

[DD_Arthur]

Please help me here, I've read the manual and I see nothing that would indicate I can setup my controls the way I have specified.

 

Have a good read of section nine of the manual.  You can create custom snap views enabled by using a single key press or assign them to a joystick hat switch and control speed of response.

 

Here's a guy using snap views only.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcm64lwoVrs

 

I have a feeling you won't appreciate me saying this but if you've already got TrackIr 4 then I urge you to use it.  Especially in combination with snap views.  It really works well.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQVS-T7MFe8

[dreyer]

Have a good read of section nine of the manual.  You can create custom snap views enabled by using a single key press or assign them to a joystick hat switch and control speed of response.

 

Here's a guy using snap views only.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcm64lwoVrs

 

I have a feeling you won't appreciate me saying this but if you've already got TrackIr 4 then I urge you to use it.  Especially in combination with snap views.  It really works well.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQVS-T7MFe8

 

Looks good in that video but I don't quite understand how he's doing it.

 

Becasue snap views lets you snap 8 different views, excluding numpad_5 as default... 8 views ain't enough? I was unable to snap view a combination of two numpad keys.

 

Confused...

[TG-55Panthercules]

 I was unable to snap view a combination of two numpad keys.

 

Confused...

 

Did you try using the combination of two numpad keys I posted about above (numpad 0 + whatever to look upward, and numpad enter + whatever to look downward)?  Seemed to worked fine when I tried it.

[Riderocket]

there a view control called "adaptive snap" (push F9 or F10 to change view type) where its like 1946, you push left and the camera moves to the next left position, if you HOLD left then move the camera then push F9 or F10 (whichever one is save snap) it'll save that as your next snap position.. just do this with all your views and then you can use the numpad to move the camera to the next position, then you have to turn up camera snap speeds to make it more snappy

[dreyer]

I haven't read the manual lately, but just for grins I went in to BoS to see if I could figure out what you're trying to do.  It took me a couple of tries to figure it out because I've never used snap views and can't imagine why anybody would prefer to do that over using TIR, but in any event I pretty quickly figured out how to do what I think it is you're trying to do (unless I misunderstand your desire here).

 

Using normal default controls settings (and using centered snap view mode), by pressing the usual num pad keys I get snap views all around the clock on a normal horizontal level.  Thus, pressing numpad 7 gives me forward-left-quarter view.  Then, if I press the normal numpad key along with numpad 0 at the same time, it gives me the expected view but upward (so, numpad 7 and numpad 0 together gives me forward-left-quarter-up view).  Similarly, pressing the normal numpad keys together with numpad enter at the same time gives me the expected view but down (so, numpad 7 and numpad enter together gives me forward-left-quarter-down view).

 

Isn't that basically the same thing you're looking for here?

 

Hey dude! I apologize I somehow completely missed your post and never read it. This works! I actually had unbound numpad_0, probably when messing about in the key mappings, so it never worked when I tried it first.

 

Now I can control the camera as I want. But it does seem like a rather odd way to implement it, intuitively combining numpad_6 and numpad_8 as an example sounds more reasonable.

 

Anyway, thank you very much!

 

I edited my orignal post to include instructions for anyone searching for this in the future.

Edited June 3, 2017 by dreyer

[DD_Arthur]

Good stuff!  Well done Dreyer and Panther