So What if the Carriers are not in BOP ?

[jaydee]

Hi all ! I started another thread about Carrier Operations. But after reading some responses, I thought , we all want to fly on and off a Carrier. When We think of "BOP" (: Battle of Pacific ! ),we think of Carriers !

So how would we feel if Carriers are not in the first Release of BOP ?

Could we be Happy with a New Map, New Aircraft to Fly ? ........Whilst we wait for the Carriers to come.

I am Happy to Wait .

~S~

[Blooddawn1942]

I guess carriers are somewhat essential to a Pacific Theater. If we would start with Guadalcanal, it wouldn't be for a first release. But since we are starting with the battle of Midway, there is no way the carriers can be left aside. At least one carrier for each side is mandatory. That would be OK for me. But more types of carriers would of course be much better.

[Ribbon]

Yep still would enjoy it, but carriers will be.

[Feathered_IV]

I would be hysterical. Me and my imaginary squad would deliver a caps lock manifesto on how we intend to boycott the game and make rude demands in every Dev diary that the first carrier be the Graf Zeppelin.

[AndyJWest]

Without carriers, it is going to be a rather one-sided battle. 

 

Seriously though, I'd be very surprised if the intention wasn't to include carriers in the final release, and logic would suggest that the developers wouldn't leave it to last if they could avoid it, as there are bound to be issues that will only come to light after we get to test them. Maybe they will release an aircraft or two first, with some sort of minimalist map with island airfields for both sides? Whatever they do, I'm looking forward to it anyway... 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

as already mentioned, it will be named Battle of Midway, not of Pacific :D

So, imagine a Midway Simulation without carriers........................................

New Guinea, Solomons, Burma - yes, possible without any CV , but realy not Midway !

[OrLoK]

I'd happily wait.

 

We have to draw the distinction tween reality and gaming.

 

as we are just gamers/simmers we could live without a carrier for a while.

 

I'd be fine with a small island airstrip whilst we wait!

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

Dude have you seen Midway? What are you gonna do there without carriers????

 

Put the Japanese on one Island Americans on the other and throw rocks back and forth?

[InProgress]

i can see these amazing landings on them xD there will be so many accidents. I wonder how they will solve take of and landing, i guess there will be 2 carriers at least 1 for take off and 1 for landing.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Both the scenarios that have been put forth so far, Midway and Okinawa, are impossible without carriers.

 

I don't understand why this thread even exists.

 

I think the more important question is how the devs will work USAAF and Japanese aircraft into the Okinawa setting, given the distances involved, and the fact that the Japanese carriers were gone by that point. (Assuming historical domination of the air by the Allied forces so no airfields on Okinawa could be used).

[Aap]

There will be carriers.

When BoK was announced and the roadmap after that, then Jason laid out what he wanted to do after BoK:

"Move to the Pacific Theater and build a first-class simulation of Carrier Warfare which dominated that theater."

Edited May 31, 2017 by II./JG77_Kemp

[dburne]

Yeah I could not imagine releasing a Battle of Midway without carrier ops. 

Perhaps in early access development they might provide only airstarts as they develop the carriers, but I would certainly expect them to be there by the time the released version is out. 

Obviously will be a lot of work for them , and perhaps development may take little more time than previously.

 

But oh my goodness, will be so worth the wait!

[ShamrockOneFive]

Carriers are pretty much a lynchpin in both scenarios that Jason set out.

 

Maybe the OP is talking about early access? If so hopefully we'll see a Pacific islands dogfight test map or Wake Island or something that can be used for early testing while carrier tech is being implemented. I'm guessing either that will be needed or we will have to wait for carriers to be developed enough to use for early access before that release happens.

[jaydee]

Both the scenarios that have been put forth so far, Midway and Okinawa, are impossible without carriers.

 

I don't understand why this thread even exists.

 

I think the more important question is how the devs will work USAAF and Japanese aircraft into the Okinawa setting, given the distances involved, and the fact that the Japanese carriers were gone by that point. (Assuming historical domination of the air by the Allied forces so no airfields on Okinawa could be used).

 

 

I don't understand why this thread even exists.

 

I think the more important question is......

Yes Kimo Sabi ! Sorry for Speaking ! ....You are  the Almighty Expert ! (On everything).

[SYN_Mike77]

How could they do a Midway without carriers?  Two words, Air spawn.  and despawn when you hit a specific location.  I would hate it, but that's how it could be done.

[Aap]

In the original announcement Jason said that he wants to build a first-class simulation of carrier warfare and I recall him saying in other occasions how he sees the carriers as the center piece, when moving to Pacific. From that I would say that it would be a very major change of course, if the first Pacific release did not include carriers. 

[Danziger]

So what if the ocean isn't in BoP?

[LukeFF]

Sometimes I wonder what people are on when they create topics like this one.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

At least one carrier type from both sides will be in the release. Five to six types of ships will be present for each side in the early release. Book it.

[BlitzPig_EL]

You are  the Almighty Expert ! (On everything).

 

Thanks, much appreciated.

 

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

What if a giant meteor crashes into the planet ending civilization as we know it? Will I get a refund for my pre-order?

 

I need to know before I can commit to a pre order.

[dburne]

This is kind of like:

Hmm what if the sun does not rise tomorrow?

 

 

[Livai]

What if the maps are small because of missing technology and performance issue. You know the Pacific is big really big. And water to render is very demanding everything need to be exact each wave just everything need to be at the same place how it was during the Midway battle, very demanding task to render! Even the smell and sound need to be right!

 

Nobody said how huge the maps will be and how far the carriers will be placed everything is possible even this that they are close together! 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuC4g8prYb4

[dburne]

What if the maps are small because of missing technology and performance issue. You know the Pacific is big really big. And water to render is very demanding everything need to be exact each wave just everything need to be at the same place how it was during the Midway battle, very demanding task to render! Even the smell and sound need to be right! 

 

Naw I think rendering terrain is much more demanding overall on performance than rendering water.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Are you countering sarcasm with sarcasm? That's level ten $#!7 right there!

[Danziger]

What if God was one of us?

[Lusekofte]

There is no BOP, There might however be BOMidway. But Jason keep saying it is not yet decided . All we know is the possibilities will be after Kuban. 

I read in another topic about the consern of the developers ability to make ships, I guess it is this topic you also read.

It is bullsh** the sim will go on as long as it pays the bill´s , if not there will not be. 

[Livai]

Who cares about Carriers, water, fire, wood or dirt this little toys for little kids! Uchū Senkan the best Carrier ever carry the fate of humanity take us to another dimension what nobody have seen before and all the information inside it would be recorded in the form a 2D image on its surface. .........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijTWnRY_ag

Edited May 31, 2017 by Livai

[jaydee]

This is kind of like:

Hmm what if the sun does not rise tomorrow?

 

 

Thanks Don.

The OP is not saying 'no carriers' just asking 'could you wait'.

 

I would expect carriers to be ready at the last moment anyway i.e. not part of early access until very late on.

 

And hypothetically if the devs were struggling to get carriers out for the intended release date, then a map of Wake island would be a perfectly agreeable plan B to fill the gap for me.

 

Thanks for your understanding Pinko. That is what I wanted to start a Discussion about. ~S~

Sometimes I wonder what people are on when they create topics like this one.

 

You can Wonder all you like ! When you figure it out, let we know !

I will think more carefully before I start a Tread Here again. I hope some of ye wont be "Upset", IF your Carriers don't Arrive !

I'm Done. ~S~ to all.

[Cybermat47]

If the carriers aren't ready by the time it's meant to be released, chances are the release will be pushed back. They simply would not release it without carriers.

[THERION]

Well, to publish Battle of Midway without carriers would be rather suicidal for the publisher and the end for the series I think.

 

The chosen theatre of warfare in our case is based on carrier operations - imagine Midway without carriers!?! Both sides

would have to get in battle via airstart. That's ridiculous! And how would the Japanese carrier loss be simulated?

 

I'm quite sure, this dev team knows his workmanship and gorgeous talent - they just won't waste it with such a stupid idea...

 

Cheers

[LukeFF]

I will think more carefully before I start a Tread Here again

Sounds like a great idea.

[Pharoah]

you just can't have a battle of midway WITHOUT carriers - thats just dumb and laughs in the face of history. If 1C can't make carriers (yet hopefully), then move away from the battle of midway and focus on the say the battle of guadalcanal. Don't push through with a flawed plan that you can't deliver on and then wonder why the sales aren't there and/or the online community has turned rabid. 

 

You can't do the pacific without carriers. Simple. If you can't design/develop carriers then focus on some other theatre. It wasn't called WORLD war II for nothing. You still have:

 

- western front 

- North African campaign

- Med (Malta) campaign

 

yeah you'll be up against DCS re normandy but i can honestly tell you its not crash hot at the moment, esp with the length of time it takes to deliver anything. 

 

I say drop the pacific for now and move to the North African campaign or the Med (thats the theatres we were all guessing would be next anyway).

[Gambit21]

Jason would never, in this or any parallel dimension release a module called "Battle of Midway" without carriers.

The notion is silly on every level.

 

If there's a delay with carrier tech, then we'll see a delay in the final release.

This may very well happen...and that's fine if it does.

It will be worth waiting for. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

With the water tech in this sim, I cannot wait to depart a rolling carrier. Landing on that same rolling carrier gives me the heebie jeebies and it's more than a year away still.

[Gambit21]

With the water tech in this sim, I cannot wait to depart a rolling carrier. Landing on that same rolling carrier gives me the heebie jeebies and it's more than a year away still.

Yep

[HippyDruid]

So what if the ocean isn't in BoP?

 

We would have North Africa! 

[Monostripezebra]

Just be prepared!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I70aSwFLLmw

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Just create floating islands/pontoon/runways with AA on floating runways..... you can take off and land on those until the first carriers are developed.

 

PNG is also in the pacific.... use that as a theatre initially. All we need is the aircraft, that's really all that counts. It can be like Battle of Moscow and Kuban...... we fly the planes over stalingrad until the theatre was ready..... noooo problem. 

[Dutchvdm]

Just create floating islands/pontoon/runways with AA on floating runways..... you can take off and land on those until the first carriers are developed.

 

PNG is also in the pacific.... use that as a theatre initially. All we need is the aircraft, that's really all that counts. It can be like Battle of Moscow and Kuban...... we fly the planes over stalingrad until the theatre was ready..... noooo problem. 

 

For F4F and A6M airquake during early access that would be fine. One could also use a two island map like in the old Il-2. But when the D3 and SBD come along i think you want ship targets. 

 

Grt M