Blooddawn1942 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 A DISCUSSION about other titles is always fine and welcome. See for example the DCS thread. But this one turned into an advertising and it's more than annoying.
Rolling_Thunder Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to return here to read that which annoys you. Scared? ROFL! How else would you describe somebody wishing a thread closed because he doesn't like the content?
AndyJWest Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) There is a world of difference between BoX players discussing other sims amongst themselves and someone who doesn't even own the game using the forum for repetitive posts that are little more than advertising. Is I've already stated, I'd welcome comments from an experienced BoX player on the merits of the Aces High FM, but bugsix's comments do little beyond indicate that he doesn't actually understand what flight modelling entails. And as for his repeated claims about '500 player' battles, discussions in the game's own forum make it clear that this isn't happening: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,386948.0.html Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to return here to read that which annoys you. How else would you describe somebody wishing a thread closed because he doesn't like the content? I've no idea, since I didn't ask for the thread to be closed. Learn to read. Edited June 1, 2017 by AndyJWest 1
OrLoK Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 I you think a thread/post is not suitable for a forum, the best thing you can do is not engage the OP rather simply report it to a moderator and let them decide.
AndyJWest Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 I you think a thread/post is not suitable for a forum, the best thing you can do is not engage the OP rather simply report it to a moderator and let them decide. If I thought that, I'd already have done so. I don't. What I'd like to see here is some objective discussion regarding the merits of this game. Something the OP appears to be unqualified to give. 1
bugsix Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 What I'd like to see here is some objective discussion regarding the merits of this game. So what do you want to know ?
AndyJWest Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 What I'd like to know is what experienced BoS/BoM players think of the FM.
bugsix Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) What I'd like to know is what experienced BoS/BoM players think of the FM. So someone needs to play it actualy, no one can tell about FM from a video. Edited June 1, 2017 by bugsix
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 I'm playing BoS and DCS quite frequently, have played CloD, RoF, War Thunder, obviously played old Il-2 and can still recall Combat Flight Simulator 2 and Warbirds. Recently I have tried on one of the meetings Aces High. I dont know what you are talking about in regard to those accurate flight models, okish graphics and other things. Flight models are far from realistic and its not even the point. Anyone who remembers where Aces High started and what Warbirds was, would know that its not flight sim in our sense of things. BoS, DCS and CloD represent flight sims with high fidelity systems, high degree of detail and historical accuracy (well, DCS maybe not quite but at least the wish to). Aces High is simple a massive flying arena game, its more about combat and big groups of people than anything else. Details, historical accuracy and things like that are not in the first plan. But I honestly miss those old and massive S3 in Warbirds. Nothing will be like that ever again. 1
AndyJWest Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Thank you, LD=Hiromachi. I think that answers my questions.
Rolling_Thunder Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) I've no idea, since I didn't ask for the thread to be closed. Learn to read. Aren't you the angry individual? You have no idea yet you piped in and ROFLed? Although It wasn't about you, you made it about you. Narcissistic? Edited June 1, 2017 by Rolling_Thunder
AndyJWest Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Aren't you the angry individual? You have no idea yet you piped in and ROFLed? Although It wasn't about you, you made it about you. Narcissistic? Have you got anything useful to add to this thread on Aces High, or are you just here to demonstrate your imaginary mind-reading skills? 1
Rolling_Thunder Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Have you got anything useful to add to this thread on Aces High, or are you just here to demonstrate your imaginary mind-reading skills? I have added the same to this thread, on aces high, as you have. I haven't played the game in a very long time. What I'm hearing in here from a lot of folk is based on what they experienced 10-15 years ago. Now imagine on an aces high forum if they would base BoS on the original il2, or even CLoD vanilla? These forums are more destructive, to the long term success of the BoS franchise, than any bad review. Y'all come across as close minded elitist pricks who love the smell of there own farts. I pointed out to one guy if he found this thread so annoying, twice he posted how annoying it was, he should maybe consider not reading it. You jump in with the usual defensive BS trying to engage and then you end with Have you got anything useful to add to this thread on Aces High The conversation became un-useful because you directed it that way. One doesn't need mind reading skills when the intent is quite clear. 1
bugsix Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) When the games go to steam it might change dramaticaly into a full WW2 combat game from 1939 to 1945 with a european theatre, there are rumours about this on their forum, sounds exciting to me. Edited June 1, 2017 by bugsix
Gambit21 Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 The new graphics do not look crap, check this trailer. More players will be when it goes live on steam, gameplay is good. The flight model very good. I made it 25 seconds and that godawful song made me turn it off, and in the same moment decide never to watch a single second of this trash again or kick even a penny in that direction...ever. That's how dumb that song choice is. Can a single instance of poor judgement...a single idiotic choice of a song for a WWII trailer do that? Yes, yes it can. Let that be a lesson to you all.
Klaue Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Best trailer music i have heard ,but i am a Iron Maiden fan 1
Danziger Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Best trailer music i have heard ,but i am a Iron Maiden fan Yeah I don't get the music hate. Even if I wasn't a fan of Maiden (which tbh there are only a few songs I like) I know Bruce Dickinson is a huge aviation and history buff. A classic 80s metal tune called Aces High would be a good theme song for a WW2 fighter game of the same name.
AndyJWest Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 If I was trying to sell a WW2 fighter game specifically aimed at 80s metal fans, I'm sure the trailer music would be ideal. I think that may be a bit of a niche market however, and something a bit more in keeping with the period the game was set in might work better otherwise. 1 1
Gambit21 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) If I was trying to sell a WW2 fighter game specifically aimed at 80s metal fans, I'm sure the trailer music would be ideal. I think that may be a bit of a niche market however, and something a bit more in keeping with the period the game was set in might work better otherwise.Exactly - know your audience. More importantly, know your product.Frankly I'm just sick of the nonsensical "I'm posting a video - therefore Metal" mentality that seems to pervade. I'm a huge Eagles fan, and also Metallica fan frankly, but if they'd used Hotel California or Enter Sandman in the background I would have found it equally inappropriate. Less offensive to my personal taste, but still stupid for a WWII game. Edited June 3, 2017 by Gambit21
Blooddawn1942 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Best trailer music i have heard ,but i am a Iron Maiden fan So am I.
DD_Arthur Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Less offensive to my personal taste, but still stupid for a WWII game. It's when you get a pretty decent RoF video and the guy has decided to give it a Metal accompaniment
Danziger Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Exactly - know your audience. Not all flight simmers are crotchety old geezers...
AndyJWest Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Not all flight simmers are crotchety old geezers... Isn't 80s Metal crotchety old geezer music? 1
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 S! I used to play this game a LOT back in the days and started when the subscription was 30 USD per month. It dropped to 14,95 at some point. I was active 2000-2007 and flew with LLv34 back then too. The FM/DM and physics are simple compared to more modern games, but nothing beat the events spanning a few weekends. It was then you really felt being part of something larger. Very much like S3 in WarBirds, which I played some too. In AH I clocked most time ever at some point, roughly 200hrs per month. It was not healthy and I burned out on flight sims as I played IL-2 along with AH. I agree that the devs should have invested more of the money in improving the game when there still were thousands of subscribers, now it is a bit too late for that and Steam will not make a difference unless a miracle happens in graphics, FM and DM. AH had the best squad experience in the Events bar none along with WarBirds S3. No other game has captured that yet. TL;DR Even I wish AH would flourish as it can be a lot of fun, it will be hard to compete these days with all the products we know are around.
Lusekofte Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 AH have no interest from me, since all I have ever seen from it is boring dogfights, if there is no purpose of flying I do not. I do not judge people who like it, but it is just not my cup of tea. If it had not been for FNBF I would have ditched this game too. Because almost 99 % of the time dogfight is what people wants. So I see no reason for anyone to give WT or AH critique. As long as the FM is fair, go fly and kill. IL2 provided enough fun for me for 12 years, and if it had capabilities to take more than 4 hotas control cards I probably would have flown it still. It provide a genuine offline fun from WW1 to Vietnam. For me WW2 fade slowly away caused by FPS online focus . I prefer flying in AI environment, rubbish as they may be, they are trying to do the objectives 1
Feathered_IV Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 Because almost 99% of the time dogfight is what people wants. I'd say 99% of the time, that's all developers ever give them. The people who are making the games need to think more deeply, more creatively when they design their product. 1
Danziger Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 Isn't 80s Metal crotchety old geezer music? Yeah I guess 80s metal was big like ten years ago. Now 90s grunge and alt rock is the new cool retro thing.
Gambit21 Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 Not all flight simmers are crotchety old geezers... I like The Black Crows - that must mean Talks to Angels is good music for a WWII sim video!
Aap Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 I'd say 99% of the time, that's all developers ever give them. Really? At least all the Il-2 series (1946, CloD and BoX) have given other possibilities besides just dogfighting. In general, though, developers that want to stay in business are doing what the market wants. I also can't agree with the claim that 99% of BoX players want only dogfighting. Not too hard to find a server online that offers content for bombers and ground attackers.
Lusekofte Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 Not too hard to find a server online that offers content for bombers and ground attackers. You serve no purpose as a ground attacker besides being a slow easy target in most of them. The missions are too short to be able to take out the objectives, and they evolve into Fighter feast. I do not blame anyone, and absolutely not the mission makers. They are doing a great job. Most of the time I blame myself, not asking for assistance before it is too late. I do not blame anyone, it is just the way things evolve. Anyway, if I was to have interest in AH , show me a gameplay that do anything else than dogfight. I saw some interesting bombers in the inventory list
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 S! LuseKofte. The Events were the heart of Aces High. Historical campaigns lasting for hours each weekend. There were a few per year as it took time to build them. But seeing hundreds of players on each side made them THE experience. The normal Arena felt boring after an Event, but still you could get action there too y planning strikes against strategic targets and taking airfields. Similar to what WarBirds has, their S3 events and such.
Lusekofte Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 Thx Flanker, I have been following AH , but all videos about it is based on kills, witch bore me to death. I am glad there is other aspects in it
Sokol1 Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) AH have no interest from me, since all I have ever seen from it is boring dogfights, Like Flanker my best experience in "flight games" was in Warbirds (AH "cousin") - at time our squad are able to gather ~70 persons at Sunday morning, we have groups specialized in heavy bombers, in fighter bomber, in fighters for cover. I always hate that typical "Quake'birds" dogfights of Warbirds main area (not different IL-2 dogfight servers), with that "balance" : all plane for all (3) sides, but love the special events focused in some historical event. After never see something similar in IL-2's. But like Warbirds, AH time is over, both stuck in time - their "new baby" is War Thunder, although unable to recreate the big arenas with hundred of players. Edited June 4, 2017 by Sokol1
kestrel79 Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 I used to play Air Warrior back in the 90s which is what AH turned into years later. I agree nothing compares to flying online during an Air Warrior event with hundreds of other players all flying on the same map, capping bases. I can remember crewing a couple B-17 bombers at one of the back bases with 10 other squad mates all flying as gunners. Taking off from the furthest friendly base from the action and bombing the Spit factory at 35,000ft while watching for fighters. It was so much fun, and if you bombed the base they couldn't use Spits anymore...how cool was that? Gaming nirvana in 1998
Feathered_IV Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) S! LuseKofte. The Events were the heart of Aces High. Historical campaigns lasting for hours each weekend. There were a few per year as it took time to build them. But seeing hundreds of players on each side made them THE experience. Tell that to developers nowdays and they wouldn't believe you... Edited June 5, 2017 by Feathered_IV
bugsix Posted June 5, 2017 Author Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) War thunder still can't recreate the big arena, and it probably won't seeing as 'world war' will be only loose battles connected on ''world map'....... if Aces High does changes when it goes to steam it might come back alive. Edited June 5, 2017 by bugsix
coconut Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 I've had lots of fun playing Planetside 2, a futuristic FPS played on large "continents" with up to 2000 players. The large number of players and large map adds a strategic layer of the game where most of the fun lies. It has ground vehicles, air vehicles, infantry, AA, user-built bases... I would love to play a WWII-themed version of that. It's OK if the flight models are off, that has close to no impact on the strategical level. Of course, you can't really call that a flight simulator any more, more of a war/battle simulator, but that's interesting too.
bugsix Posted June 5, 2017 Author Posted June 5, 2017 I would love to play a WWII-themed version of that. It's OK if the flight models are off, that has close to no impact on the strategical level. Of course, you can't really call that a flight simulator any more, more of a war/battle simulator, but that's interesting too. Just saw this on their forum..... this is what AH might be in the future
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