Aces High, a massive multiplayer WW2 flight sim goes to steam greenlight

[bugsix]

Help get it green lit... it's the only flight sim in the world with a open world war arena that is 24/7 where 500+ players fight

 

 

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=931022855

Edited May 27, 2017 by bugsix

[Jaws2002]

Help get it green lit... it's the only flight sim in the world with a open world war arena that is 24/7 where 500+ players fight

 

 

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=931022855

 

 

Where 500+ players used to fight.

 

AH is pretty much dead this days. It looks like crap and the gameplay turned into crap as well. 

 

Going on steam won't save it.

 

Let it die.

Edited May 27, 2017 by Jaws2002

[bugsix]

The new graphics do not look crap, check this trailer.

 

 

 

More players will be when it goes live on steam, gameplay is good. The flight model very good.

Edited May 28, 2017 by bugsix

[Monostripezebra]

I´m highly sceptical.. the necro-cashing on steam is stronk these days.

[AndyJWest]

From the FAQ: "Aces High has three countries that you can fly for:  the Bishops, the Knights, and the Rooks". So what exactly is this supposed to be simulating?

 

http://www.hitechcreations.com/support/game-faq

Edited May 28, 2017 by AndyJWest

[bugsix]

From the FAQ: "Aces High has three countries that you can fly for:  the Bishops, the Knights, and the Rooks". So what exactly is this supposed to be simulating?

 

http://www.hitechcreations.com/support/game-faq

 

There is a high chance when game is on steam they will change also the main arena to have a WW2 war 1939-1945 axis vs allies

[Jaws2002]

The new graphics do not look crap, check this trailer.

 

 

 

More players will be when it goes live on steam, gameplay is good. The flight model very good.

 

The latest version still looks crap. I actually have a copy somewhere on my PC.  They just ported over the same models.

  I used to play when there were 500+ players in game every night. Back then, and i mean 2000-2007 the game was fun and you didn't need fifty people to capture a base.

 Now it's just a mess, they made everything harder to capture, while they have like fifty players online, split between the three countries. 

      They used to have 4000+  subscribers, paying fifteen bucks a month. All those years they didn't do anything to the game to improve the visuals and gameplay. 

 They had their chance. Let it die. Steam won't help them.

Edited May 28, 2017 by Jaws2002

[bugsix]

The latest version still looks crap. I actually have a copy somewhere on my PC.  They just ported over the same models.

  I used to play when there were 500+ players in game every night. Back then, and i mean 2000-2007 the game was fun and you didn't need fifty people to capture a base.

 Now it's just a mess, they made everything harder to capture, while they have like fifty players online, split between the three countries. 

      They used to have 4000+  subscribers, paying fifteen bucks a month. All those years they didn't do anything to the game to improve the visuals and gameplay. 

 They had their chance. Let it die. Steam won't help them.

 

 

Still no other game offers  a 24/7 mmo war arena like Aces High,  not IL2, DCS or RoF

[Jaws2002]

From the FAQ: "Aces High has three countries that you can fly for:  the Bishops, the Knights, and the Rooks". So what exactly is this supposed to be simulating?

 

http://www.hitechcreations.com/support/game-faq

 

Actually back then, in 2000-2005 it was interesting, because the three countries made to a very dynamic action, with things going on on both fronts. Another advantage was that they could use all the planes in all three teams, without having to go to historical setup.

AH was good back then. I used to fly regularly in 50+ plane missions all controlled by players. There was motivation to fly big missions, because you had a solid impact on the front line and enemy assets. Bombing the enemy HQ would disable their radar and then you can sneak attack them. 

 Now everything is harder to destroy and ten minutes later is all back and running, while they have ten times less players than before.. That's what killed the game. Mindless turn fights, without a strategic goal, get old quick.

Still no other game offers  a 24/7 mmo war arena like Aces High,  not IL2, DCS or RoF

 

You can do that in War Thunder. It looks ten times better than AH and it's  free. 

Edited May 28, 2017 by Jaws2002

[bugsix]

 

You can do that in War Thunder. It looks ten times better than AH and it's  free. 

 

lol no, i'm following WT since 2011 and they still did not do the 'world war' mode.

 

Besides WT flight model and damage model even on simulator is not as good as AH.

Edited May 28, 2017 by bugsix

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

You linked a video to graphics that are TERRIBLE and look out of place (probably only a DX9 game)

Might be worth  $1.99

[BeastyBaiter]

AH isn't exactly known for amazing FM's. I gave it a look back in 2001 or 2002 after hearing about it in IL2 MP, I tried it and dismissed it within minutes as an arcade shooter. Going by videos, it hasn't improved with age. Moving it to steam is just a cash grab. It won't breath new life into it and will only further clutter up the steam store with necroed games. Incidentally, IL2:BoS is on page 3 when searching "flight simulation" and DCS is on page 4. Sniper Elite, X-Wing vs Tie fighter (1997), F-19 (1988) and a ton of other things all pop up first. The last thing our community needs is bumping the real flight sims further down the list.

[bugsix]

You linked a video to graphics that are TERRIBLE and look out of place (probably only a DX9 game)

 

Might be worth  $1.99

 

Graphics is not everything, there are games from 1990's which graphics are bad but gameplay is much better than todays games.

 

 

 

 

AH isn't exactly known for amazing FM's. I gave it a look back in 2001 or 2002 after hearing about it in IL2 MP, I tried it and dismissed it within minutes as an arcade shooter

 

AH 2002 and today AH is night and day...... if you would compare IL2 to AH today you would notice how much better AH FM's are.

 

 

 

 

Going by videos, it hasn't improved with age

 

Yes it did, you won't notice the FM in video, you have to fly it.

btw those that don't know AH also has free lobby MP like il-2  where 64 vs 64 players can fight.

[Feathered_IV]

That song...  sooo wanky.

They must have been high on the smell of their own hairspray when they wrote that one.

[bugsix]

That song...  sooo wanky.

They must have been high on the smell of their own hairspray when they wrote that one.

 

haha maybe so

[OrLoK]

I installed this some time ago it but found it very unfriendly to get into interface wise.

 

Is it worth persevering with?

 

Is it worth investing any time into as a free player?

[[CPT]milopugdog]

lol no, i'm following WT since 2011 and they still did not do the 'world war' mode.

 

Besides WT flight model and damage model even on simulator is not as good as AH.

I hate to break it to you brother...

http://warthunder.com/en/news/4677-development-world-war-mode

[bugsix]

 

 

Is it worth persevering with?

 

Is it worth investing any time into as a free player?

 

Interface might be unfriendly but once you get used to it, you will see that there is a great game.

 

Free players can play lobby multiplayer 64vs64 (so just like any other paid flight sim).  but the main fun is from the open world war, which right now is subscription BUT this might change with steam.

I hate to break it to you brother...

http://warthunder.com/en/news/4677-development-world-war-mode

 

 

It still is in development though.

 

And here you will play  from one map to another map, and they dont say how many players in one battle..... it can just be room based,  32vs32 and 1 battle can last 30 mins - 1 hour. People are saying it's squadron only, so you can't play solo.

 

AH is open world 24/7 where 1000's players can fight, and you can play solo if you want.

 

Even with the introduction the  'world war' in WT,  AH still has a superior 'world war'

Edited May 31, 2017 by bugsix

[AndyJWest]

Bugsix, do you own BoS and/or BoM? And if so, how do the flight models compare?

[bugsix]

Bugsix, do you own BoS and/or BoM? And if so, how do the flight models compare?

 

I have il2-1946,  cliffs of dover , WOFF,  WT, Rise of flight  (bos not yet but i plan to get it) and compared to them AH shines in ACM and energy managment, sense of speed is unparalleled.When planes goes head on past each other at 300 mph they realy ZOOM and you can feel they go so fast.

 

In il2 1946 planes like 190 p47 p38 and p51 are bricks, they bleed energy and you end up fighting the dogfight which they cannot fight with more oriented dogfight fighters like spit, yak, or 109.

 

In Aces high however the energy retention is beautiful, it's like in real life, you can realy fly and fight in 190 p47 51, high speed  fights in AH are a thing, the author of the game, 'Hitech' flew the real life p51 and you can see it in game's FM.

 

 

Here you can see just how good the FM is, and if you know what you are doing you can win in any plane. A heavy late model 109 (probably a g10 or k4) beats a spit 16.

 

 

 

I'd have to say AH has the most realistic flight model out all those game (however i can't compare it to BOS yet), because combat maneuvers and energy is so well replicated.

Edited May 31, 2017 by bugsix

[AndyJWest]

Wow! I never realised how advanced Luftwaffe HUD displays were during WW2!!

 

How much do they pay you to write this nonsense?

[bugsix]

Wow! I never realised how advanced Luftwaffe HUD displays were during WW2!!

 

How much do they pay you to write this nonsense?

 

 

Hud can be turned off, on.

 

Go and fly and see it's no nonsense.

[Blooddawn1942]

 

I'd have to say AH has the most realistic flight model out all those game (however i can't compare it to BOS yet), because combat maneuvers and energy is so well replicated.

You nailed it. Aces High is a GAME, not a flightsim by today's standards.

Comparing the Aces High FM with those of BoX or DCS is utterly ridiculous. Sorry to be honest, but that's how it is.

[AndyJWest]

@Bugsix.

 

Nope. I've got quite enough in the way of air combat simulation software installed on my PC already without cluttering it with more. And I'd like to see an assessment of the flight modelling from someone who's opinion I actually respected, rather than from someone who seems to only have signed up to this forum to plug another product. Because I've been flying air combat sims for a long time, and I've never seen anyone else make the claims that you have. Not that your claims make much sense anyway. The projection of 3-D models onto a 2-D screen is hardly new technology, and if one projection of said models appears to "realy ZOOM"  (sic) compared to all the others modelling the same aircraft at the same speeds, there is probably something wrong with it. 

Edited May 31, 2017 by AndyJWest

[bugsix]

The offline single player is free, you can try it out at anytime to see for yourself.

Edited May 31, 2017 by bugsix

[AndyJWest]

I am aware that it is free. There are lots of things available for free on the internet. I could spend the rest of my life doing nothing but downloading free stuff. Since that isn't my objective, I'll give it a miss until someone gives me a better reason than that. 

[Finkeren]

That song... sooo wanky.

They must have been high on the smell of their own hairspray when they wrote that one.

I hope you're kidding.

 

That song is one of the great classics of NWOBHM.

[bugsix]

You nailed it. Aces High is a GAME, not a flightsim by today's standards.

Comparing the Aces High FM with those of BoX or DCS is utterly ridiculous. Sorry to be honest, but that's how it is.

 

While this is true that DCS and BoX are more realistic, it's also true that Aces High is the only one with open world 24/7 war where 500+ players can fight.

Edited May 31, 2017 by bugsix

[Dutchvdm]

I have il2-1946,  cliffs of dover , WOFF,  WT, Rise of flight  (bos not yet but i plan to get it) and compared to them AH shines in ACM and energy managment, sense of speed is unparalleled.When planes goes head on past each other at 300 mph they realy ZOOM and you can feel they go so fast.

 

In il2 1946 planes like 190 p47 p38 and p51 are bricks, they bleed energy and you end up fighting the dogfight which they cannot fight with more oriented dogfight fighters like spit, yak, or 109.

 

In Aces high however the energy retention is beautiful, it's like in real life, you can realy fly and fight in 190 p47 51, high speed  fights in AH are a thing, the author of the game, 'Hitech' flew the real life p51 and you can see it in game's FM.

 

Here you can see just how good the FM is, and if you know what you are doing you can win in any plane. A heavy late model 109 (probably a g10 or k4) beats a spit 16.

 

I'd have to say AH has the most realistic flight model out all those game (however i can't compare it to BOS yet), because combat maneuvers and energy is so well replicated.

 

I'm sorry, but this looks pretty bad... 

 

- Engine sounds like lawn mower.

- Graphics look extremely dated. Eye candy isn't everything, but for me this is just not good enough.

- Why is there even a HUD?.. It adds nothing and is extremely immersion breaking.

- Damage model does not look all that convincing.

- Same for the FM.

 

And why is a make believe world war open world scenario even a good thing?... If you want balls to wall deathmatch action, why do you even play flightsims? But maybe that's just a preference, i won't judge. 

 

Grt M

[bugsix]

I'm sorry, but this looks pretty bad... 

 

- Engine sounds like lawn mower.

- Graphics look extremely dated. Eye candy isn't everything, but for me this is just not good enough.

- Why is there even a HUD?.. It adds nothing and is extremely immersion breaking.

- Damage model does not look all that convincing.

- Same for the FM.

 

And why is a make believe world war open world scenario even a good thing?... If you want balls to wall deathmatch action, why do you even play flightsims? But maybe that's just a preference, i won't judge. 

 

Grt M

 

 

 hud can be turned on/off

damage model is on the level of il2 1946

Flight model you cannot tell from videos...... on videos it looks different to the feeling of when you play the game. You have to fly the plane to have the sense of FM.

 

 

 

If you want balls to wall deathmatch action, why do you even play flightsims?

Exactly, why do you play lobby based room flight sims where 32vs32 players fight in a 20 minute match? 

[Blooddawn1942]

Your agenda becomes annoying.

It's all right to share informations about a product. But You're convincing none here to jump on such outdated stuff. Most of us are flightsiming for 20+ years and have zero interest in arcade online flying games. I'm sure many of us tried AH at some point back then (including myself).

So I can tell from my own experience, that AH, even if it was improved over the years, by all respect is not the kind of stuff most of us here are looking for. Simple as that.

[Dutchvdm]

 hud can be turned on/off

damage model is on the level of il2 1946

Flight model you cannot tell from videos...... on videos it looks different to the feeling of when you play the game. You have to fly the plane to have the sense of FM.

 

 

 

Exactly, why do you play lobby based room flight sims where 32vs32 players fight in a 20 minute match? 

 

I highly doubt the FM models are up to snuff...

 

To quote you earlier. 

 

"In il2 1946 planes like 190 p47 p38 and p51 are bricks, they bleed energy and you end up fighting the dogfight which they cannot fight with more oriented dogfight fighters like spit, yak, or 109."

 

Just because these aircraft perform better in AH then in 1946, doesn't mean that the FM model is better. 

 

Grt M

[bugsix]

I highly doubt the FM models are up to snuff...

 

To quote you earlier. 

 

"In il2 1946 planes like 190 p47 p38 and p51 are bricks, they bleed energy and you end up fighting the dogfight which they cannot fight with more oriented dogfight fighters like spit, yak, or 109."

 

Just because these aircraft perform better in AH then in 1946, doesn't mean that the FM model is better. 

 

Grt M

 

 

mmm let's say it this way.  The performance of planes in both games try to replicate the reality, but game engines do it in different way,  game engine in Aces High does it in more believeable way.

Edited May 31, 2017 by bugsix

[Dutchvdm]

mmm let's say it this way.  The performance of planes in both games try to replicate the reality, but game engines do it in different way,  game engine in Aces High does it in more believeable way.

 

I'm just let agree to disagree  .

 

 

Nothing from this video even looks remotely realistic or believable. If someone said it was a WW2 re-skin of the old Star Wars battlefront i would have believed them.

 

Grt M

[bugsix]

 

Nothing from this video even looks remotely realistic or believable. If someone said it was a WW2 re-skin of the old Star Wars battlefront i would have believed them.

 

Grt M

 

 

 

 

 

It's from today, they are constantly enhancing the game.

Edited June 1, 2017 by bugsix

[AndyJWest]

I think the developers should probably start charging bugsix for advertising space...

[Blooddawn1942]

Yes. This needs to be locked at some point. Just annoying.

[bugsix]

There are plenty of other game threads in this subforum, so why it should be wrong to talk about this one ?

[Rolling_Thunder]

Yes. This needs to be locked at some point. Just annoying.

You really don't have to read it if it annoys you that much.

 

There are plenty of other game threads in this subforum, so why it should be wrong to talk about this one ?

Because its air combat and some folk think its competition. They'll talk about BoS "superior" FM, DM, how its a different type of game etc and yet somehow the thought of another air combat game scares them. They have little faith that BoS can stand on it's own merits. 

[AndyJWest]

You really don't have to read it if it annoys you that much.

 

Because its air combat and some folk think its competition. They'll talk about BoS "superior" FM, DM, how its a different type of game etc and yet somehow the thought of another air combat game scares them. They have little faith that BoS can stand on it's own merits. 

 

Scared? ROFL!