Should we have to purchase New Aircraft in the future?

[Panzerlang]

One can pay £100 for a good quality framed print of an airplane to hang on the wall. $100 for one you can fly in, over beautifully modelled terrain, with other a/c to shoot at and see spectacular graphical effects...ok, on a £2000 computer. But the wall for hanging the picture on comes in a $200,000 house.

 

Ten movies on DVD cost £100 and they amount to around twenty hours of entertainment. I've already had that and more from the alpha.

 

Computer games are probably the best bang-for-buck system of entertainment known to man. And if you add in all the community malarkey that comes with them for free their value increases exponentially.

 

The devs are artists who paint in code and deserve every penny they get. Imho.

[Foobar]

Jason and Albert stated before that there wont be a similar business model to RoF. So all discussion about pay for plane is superfluous. There will be packets of theatres with planes or like that. No worries.

[Zmaj76]

Jason and Albert stated before that there wont be a similar business model to RoF. 

So you take this as carved in a  stone...

 

Happy you

 

in any case; I dont mind paying for planes I want to fly (its a must for a small niche imho)...I have other things which bother me but thats another topic...

Edited December 11, 2013 by Tvrdi

[BraveSirRobin]

Jason and Albert stated before that there wont be a similar business model to RoF. So all discussion about pay for plane is superfluous. There will be packets of theatres with planes or like that. No worries.

 

I'm pretty sure he has also said that they may sell some add-on aircraft, so it's not a completely different model from RoF.  I think the reason they're going with theatre add-ons is that "new" games sell better than standalone maps.  So you package a new map with some aircraft and you can make more money than selling them separately.

[=38=Tatarenko]

 

 

Computer games are probably the best bang-for-buck system of entertainment known to man.

 

Yes absolutely.

[Foobar]

So you take this as carved in a  stone...

 

No. Everything can be changed. But not by us. Believe me. 1S company makes the rules.

[DD_bongodriver]

Computer games are probably the best bang-for-buck system of entertainment known to man

 

Try using that argument when things go slightly wrong for a release, then it's like the single biggest expense anybody ever made in their lives.

[Zmaj76]

Try using that argument when things go slightly wrong for a release, then it's like the single biggest expense anybody ever made in their lives.

Yes. But a game (much more a sim) lives as long as community supports it or even enhance it with its own work...

[SYN_Jedders]

Yes. But a game (much more a sim) lives as long as community supports it or even enhance it with its own work...

 

A game will be supported by its developers as long as people buy their product. New content is developed and released by the developers as long as people are willing to buy it. It is the money over the counter that drives development.

 

After that it is up to the community to support the product. If the developers close their doors then it is up to the community to create new content (if possible) or enhance it without remuneration. It is a general rule that modding communities start well but output drops off in the mid to long term due to lack of funding/interest. Successful companies constantly reinvent themselves and release newer, more desirable products to survive. Otherwise no-one would be carrying the latest iphone-5S but would still be using a highly modded "mobile phone" like the suitcase below

 

[Zak]

So you take this as carved in a  stone...

Kinda. We're already working to make it this way. So it's not about separate planes and maps, but addons with packs of content.

[FG28Kodiak]

Good to hear

[falstaff]

Try using that argument when things go slightly wrong for a release, then it's like the single biggest expense anybody ever made in their lives.

 

 

 

I do believe there's 'slightly' and there's 'slightly'...

 

....that was definitely 'slightly'....and a little more than slightly 'slightly'

[VR-DriftaholiC]

I worry that if there is to much pressure to release more content to keep profits high the quality could suffer. Warthunder is a good example of this.

[Mogster]

I've liked the ROF system of constant development driven by adding pay for aircraft.

 

I don't really want to go back to waiting a year or more for new content.

[Marcomies]

I worry that if there is to much pressure to release more content to keep profits high the quality could suffer. Warthunder is a good example of this.

 

You could use RoF as an example on how it worked for 777. Not a single rushed or half-assed addition so far.

Edited December 11, 2013 by Marcomies

[Zmaj76]

Kinda. We're already working to make it this way. So it's not about separate planes and maps, but addons with packs of content.

 

hehe Zak, good to know

 

@bongo - sry mate I quotted you instead of Foobar....

Edited December 11, 2013 by Tvrdi

[ParaB]

I've liked the ROF system of constant development driven by adding pay for aircraft.

 

I don't really want to go back to waiting a year or more for new content.

 

Same here.

 

I'd rather have a new aircraft every 2-3 months than a large-ish addon every 12-18 months.

[Zmaj76]

Same here.

 

I'd rather have a new aircraft every 2-3 months than a large-ish addon every 12-18 months.

Nope. I think it is a good decision...lets say they make all important planes for Stalingrad theatre.....then its time for another theatre...would you like to have one plane from that new theatre or you would like tomhave more somwe can make some historical missions and not wildcat vs iar80 dogfights or zeke vs all russian planes from BOS... Edited December 11, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Mogster]

That was one of the things that kept me interested in ROF for its whole development, I really feel it was a move forward in flight sim development and kept a constant buzz in the community. But what do I know.

 

I was hoping that at 2 month intervals or so we'd have the Mig 3, Henschel 123, IAR 80, I15, I16, added. Oh well.... 

[Zmaj76]

That was one of the things that kept me interested in ROF for its whole development, I really feel it was a move forward in flight sim development and kept a constant buzz in the community. But what do I know.

 

I was hoping that at 2 month intervals or so we'd have the Mig 3, Henschel 123, IAR 80, I15, I16, added. Oh well....

 

yes , but once they make all the important planes from eastern front....then....you want a completely new theatre with a few planes (for a start) with later addons or you just want to have one by one out of the blue?

[BraveSirRobin]

yes , but once they make all the important planes from eastern front....then....you want a completely new theatre with a few planes (for a start) with later addons or you just want to have one by one out of the blue?

 

I want both.  I want to get BoS, then I want them to start working on the next theatre while also releasing a few bonus aircraft that flew during the Stalingrad battle.

[Marcomies]

I prefer the theatre-addons with map and some planes plus some single plane additions every now and then.

 

These are only my preferences of course but for example the BoS could use some transport (Ju-52, Li-2) and recon (Fw-189, Po-2). Next I'd like to see Russian summer map from 1941 or 1943 (Smolensk, Kurks) with fitting planes to go with it (earlier/later version of LaGG-3, earlier/later version of Bf-109). Then after we have big enough plane and map roster for all sorts of scenarios for entire early-to-mid war on the Eastern front they could move on to Mediterranean theatre and do the same there.

[ImPeRaToR]

Nope. I think it is a good decision...lets say they make all important planes for Stalingrad theatre.....then its time for another theatre...would you like to have one plane from that new theatre or you would like tomhave more somwe can make some historical missions and not wildcat vs iar80 dogfights or zeke vs all russian planes from BOS...

The next planes will not be from the Pacific theatre so your example is not applicable An IAR80 addon as you mention it, would however fit perfectly as a single addon aircraft

 

 

was hoping that at 2 month intervals or so we'd have the Mig 3, Henschel 123, IAR 80, I15, I16, added. Oh well....

Hmmm, I am going to guess 3-5 months, otherwise these addon planes would bog down the parallel development of new theatre/aircraft combination packs.

 

At some point in the future, smaller 3rd party team could focus on developing single aircraft while the main team focuses on the larger addons.

Edited December 11, 2013 by ImPeRaToR

[Rjel]

I think the 12-18 month time frame might be suitable if an entirely new theater was planned. For additions to BoS, I would think it too long to maintain the customer base. In that sense, smaller additions with a few added planes, missions and a map would be preferable to me, even if in the long run it proved to be a more expensive purchase. If ever an add on was made available with simply aircraft, if it were to have sets of a particular type of plane, such as manned bombers or what have you, I'd be in line to buy that too.

[silent_one]

I like the current model better than the old 1946 one.  Buy what you want to fly. AI can fly anything but if you want to fly it buy it. !946 had tons of panes I had no interest in. Especially the UFO never flew planes.   In ROF I just bought what I wanted and left the rest. Fine. 

 

I also like it that we wont be flooded with poorly moded planes. The servers will be locked like ROF and the early IL2 was.. So the servers can have some integrity.

 In my personal view IL2 got worse online the more planes that were added and the more choicely jumbled in genre the servers became. Here in New Zealands time zone I only had choices of ultra hardcore or childishly populated servers where anyone on any side can fly anything . neither of which really were of interest to me. The last thing I ever want to see is a Wildcat vs IAR80 capable server.  So personally Im really looking forward to the stability and consistency 777 showed in ROF .   Just my 10c worth 

Edited December 12, 2013 by silent_one

[LukeFF]

I get the feeling that "foreign" planes like the IAR80 & Macchi fighters will be part of a larger package, with things like a new campaign for them, etc. Otherwise, for single-player folks, planes like that just aren't going to get much usage, other than the odd quick mission or single mission or 2 that comes with the plane.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

The important air battles in Eastern Front that I would like to see are Crimea 1942, Kursk and Kuban. So if I would get my wish, those would be large content packets, released in next 2 years or so after the initial release of BoS, all tied together with smaller content packets with couple of planes and some smaller map, missions, campaign or something. If done right, there would be no need for so many new planes for each large packet, because it would be possible to build on the ones we will already have. It would also give us most of the axis planes needed for that Mediterranean theatre...

[Mogster]

Of course the dev's also need some free time to add ROF content