Vkb Gunfighter joystick orders in EU started!

[Sokol1]

I am used to a 10cm extension and it softened the force to move the Warthog quite a bit but with a 20cm extension the springs have to be very strong to keep a similar force and i really dont like sticks with weak springs like the old X52Pro and the like.

How strong can the springs be, will i be able to make it similar to my current setup?

How is the recentering with the heavy Warthog Grip on the 20cm extension?

 

Warthog gimbal don't consider the grip outbalance (tends fall forward) and not considere extension usage (but centralization control is favored using 3rd party extensions).

Since grip is heavy (~1Kg) need use a strong spring for centralize, what create a "lock" in center position, and require more force for move the stick from center position than after - this inherent of compression spring gimbal, happens in some degree with X-5x,16000M, 3D PRO. (1)

 

Look how whit ~20cm extension the grip became "loose" due leverage and mass of grip:

 

 

 

 

(1) A CAM gimbal invert this behavior, require less force for leave center position and increase force near end of movement (depends on CAM profile) -or have a linear profile (VKB use progressive).

 

Gunfighter gimbal design consider:

 

Warthog grip weight (~1Kg) and outbalance - special "W" CAM profile for Y axis is fo compensate this.

Their extension has a "S", what help with this outbalanced. This "S" determine the extension length, will be complicated a "S" in a 10 cm extension.

Offer ~3 different CAM profiles, with "soft", "hard" and Warthog specific (W).

Gimbal  can use 2 springs in parallel in each axis (Warning - Gladiator PRO gimbal is not optimized for this), increase the force need for move.

 

Perfectly? Probable not, but no other COTS joystick gimbal even allow this customization of "fell".

 

For some users this lack of 0 physical center position may looks a defect, but VKB say that is normal, inherent of CAM profile - see here:

 

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2622

 

- If you look at Baur topic there he warns about this effect - no 0 physical center - in BRD gimbals.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Sokol1

[Blutaar]

Thank you for trying to help me.

I know why a extension softens the required force to move the stick and that we need stronger springs to counter that which brings other problems, this is the reason for me only using a homemade 10cm extension for my Warthog.

I would love to make it much longer but like i said i dont like sloppy sticks, thats the reason for not using my G940 FFB stick, it feels just awfull even if the FFB function itself is nice, its just the sloppy non FFB center that let me hate this stick, wish i never purchased one hehe.

I hope that someone with the excact combo like i want to have is in this forum who can explain me how it feels compared to a standard Warthog with 10cm extension. Also i want to learn more about the "joystick leans to the left" issue that i have read in the official forum.

So with a VKB Gunfighter Pro with 20cm extension and Warthog Grip, how is the recentering and what is with the "leaning left issue"? I know that with sepcial cams and a profile this will not affect the virtual center position but how does it feel, is it like a sloppy stick or is it not so bad how i think it is?

I just want a perfect stick without the flaws of the round plastic gimbal that we have in the Warthog.

I need to look at that topic from Baur, is it in this forum or in another?

[Sokol1]

Think that what you need is BRD-S gimbal, with dual CAM.

 

http://www.mudspike.com/review-brd-n-black-stork-joystick/

Baur topic about center "technical" details (use translator):

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=828

Edited May 30, 2017 by Sokol1

[Ribbon]

Hey guys, i need to aks here in the hope of an answer because on the official site i get no answer even with email.

 

i am interested in a Gunfighter Pro + Extension + Warthog adaptor and i have some questions before ordering.

I am used to a 10cm extension and it softened the force to move the Warthog quite a bit but with a 20cm extension the springs have to be very strong to keep a similar force and i really dont like sticks with weak springs like the old X52Pro and the like.

How strong can the springs be, will i be able to make it similar to my current setup?

How is the recentering with the heavy Warthog Grip on the 20cm extension?

When i twist the grip a few degrees to the left to make it more comfortable in a center mount, will it be tight enough to not accidentally twist it back and fourth?

What does it mean when i read "the stick will lean a bit to the left", i really dont like a sloppy center position like for example the TM Cougar has and also the G940 with the non FFB deadzone, its a absolutely no go for me?

My last question, is there a way to get the Pro with extension + Warthog adaptor without the KG12 Grip, it will cost 451 euros and that is quite a bit for just a stick for me, i would like to spare a few euros and buy another Grip later on for Helicopter flight because i dont like the thumb button with the 4 way hat on my Warthog for trimming?

Sry if my english skills are lacking a bit but i hope you understand me good enough, thx in advance.

As i know you will get additional spare springs for various forces so you can adjust stick to your needs.

Answer to your last question; you can order gunfighter gimball base without kg12 grip and tm warthog grip with adapter, would it be separate order i dont know.

Make a thread in fsc europe section and in a few days Eduard (shop manager) will answer you.

Edited May 30, 2017 by redribbon

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Just ordered mine.

 

I hope they will have some room to ship it with the others next week !

[CIA_Windhawk]

Holy Shnikies...!

 

I received my VKB Gunfighter Pro yesterday (USA order), hastily set it... and I was flat-stunned by the experience. 

It far exceeded my expectations.  It was as big of a leap forward for me as my VR was.

 

Last night was, by far, the finest flight sim experience I've ever had.  And to think... I will be able to do it again whenever I want !!!      

 

As a real-life pilot, I felt right at home.  The longer stick extension pairs perfectly with the VR, because my shoulders weren't locked into a fixed position like they are with a shorter stick.  The longer stick allows so much more mobility for checking 6, etc... while still maintaining full control of the aircraft.  Worlds better. 

 

For those waiting.. it's WORTH the WAIT.  Rarely in my life have I felt so happy about spending hundreds of dollars on something like this.  Quality FAR exceeds cost incurred.

 

I have two of them, and will likely buy a third when they are back in stock.

[Bearfoot]

Thank you for trying to help me.

I know why a extension softens the required force to move the stick and that we need stronger springs to counter that which brings other problems, this is the reason for me only using a homemade 10cm extension for my Warthog.

I would love to make it much longer but like i said i dont like sloppy sticks, thats the reason for not using my G940 FFB stick, it feels just awfull even if the FFB function itself is nice, its just the sloppy non FFB center that let me hate this stick, wish i never purchased one hehe.

I hope that someone with the excact combo like i want to have is in this forum who can explain me how it feels compared to a standard Warthog with 10cm extension. Also i want to learn more about the "joystick leans to the left" issue that i have read in the official forum.

So with a VKB Gunfighter Pro with 20cm extension and Warthog Grip, how is the recentering and what is with the "leaning left issue"? I know that with sepcial cams and a profile this will not affect the virtual center position but how does it feel, is it like a sloppy stick or is it not so bad how i think it is?

I just want a perfect stick without the flaws of the round plastic gimbal that we have in the Warthog.

I need to look at that topic from Baur, is it in this forum or in another?

 

With the correct combination of springs and dry clutch, you can have a very, very, very, very, sloppy stick.

 

With the correct combination of springs and dry clutch, you can have a very, very, very, very, stiff stick.

 

With the correct combination of springs and dry clutch, you can have a stick that never springs back to the center.

 

With the correct combination of springs and dry clutch, you can have a stick that springs back to the center from full deflection instantly.

 

With the correct combination of springs and dry clutch, you can have pretty much any time of response you want.

 

My stick centers perfectly on all axes, but takes two to three oscillations. It's loose enough that I can move it with gentle finger pressure around the center, but resistance increases so that I need to use a noticeable force at the extreme (though still need no more than 2-3 fingers). It's stiff enough so that I can hold a steady hover in a Huey indefinitely.

 

You can set up your stick to do the same, or not.

 

Here is a link to a new review of the stick (not mine):

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3172731#post3172731

Edited June 20, 2017 by Bearfoot

[Blutaar]

Thank you Bearfoot.

May i ask you which Grip you use and with or without Extension?

[9./JG27MAD-MM]

Still wait on the Metall VKB Gunfighter KG12 Stick, hope they dont drop the development here would be said..

Thats only thing why still wait with the Order, was never satisfied with the Warthog with his cheapest internals..

Edited June 21, 2017 by 9./JG27MAD-MM

[Bearfoot]

Thank you Bearfoot.

May i ask you which Grip you use and with or without Extension?

 

I use the default plastic KG-12-ish grip, with the standard 20cm extension.

[curiousGamblerr]

Hey Bearfoot, since you seem to know a lot about the Gunfighter, a question for you about mine:

 

I have the extension and was using the soft-center CAMs with two #50 springs on each access (four springs total). I really liked this setup but it had one problem: The stick did not completely recenter. It would get very close, but ultimately be just a bit off center. So, for example, I could push my stick left a small amount and release, and it would recenter except for a small bit of left aileron deflection. As far as I could tell, the dry clutches were completely loosened so I'm not sure what caused this behavior.

 

I've since started using the hard-center CAMs, but don't like them as much so I'm hoping to go back. I was just wondering if you had any ideas (who knows, maybe when I replace the soft CAMs again the problem will be gone).

 

Regardless, still love this stick!

[Bearfoot]

Hey Bearfoot, since you seem to know a lot about the Gunfighter, a question for you about mine:

 

I have the extension and was using the soft-center CAMs with two #50 springs on each access (four springs total). I really liked this setup but it had one problem: The stick did not completely recenter. It would get very close, but ultimately be just a bit off center. So, for example, I could push my stick left a small amount and release, and it would recenter except for a small bit of left aileron deflection. As far as I could tell, the dry clutches were completely loosened so I'm not sure what caused this behavior.

 

I've since started using the hard-center CAMs, but don't like them as much so I'm hoping to go back. I was just wondering if you had any ideas (who knows, maybe when I replace the soft CAMs again the problem will be gone).

 

Regardless, still love this stick!

 

I think what happens is that with a LOT of tension relative to the weight of the stick, you are effectively emulating a very strong clutching tendency that it strong enough to overcome the very soft centering in the cam around the very gentle "peak"/valley of the cam where it centers. I would suggest backing off the tension bit by bit till you get the centering you want. You may not have to go very far, and you might find that you get used to the less resistance or might like it just the same. If not, then, unfortunately, you will have to pick a balance between crazy-hard resistance and centering.

 

Are you using a WH grip? To be honest, 2x#50 is VERY strong resistance even then!

 

Either way, you should calibrate using the VKB software and then test using Dlview. With the latter, what I do is push the stick to each extreme and let go, and make sure that I see it go to 100% and eventually return to 50%.

 

Incidentally, I myself had the default #20 on each axis for a while, and then experimented adding more springs. I really like the increased resistance as well. Before, while I still had great precision, there was a loss of immersion when I was pulling extreme on an axis and the a/c was pulling a lot of G's, yet there was no resistance at all in the stick. I found just adding some heavy springs helped with the resistance, but then, at the same time, I did not want a so much resistance when I was not pulling so hard. Especially when around the neutral position: I also fly helos, and having a very soft center with very little resistance helps a LOT with the micro-movements required to, e.g. hold a hover. I found that putting different weights of springs on the inside and outside tracks seems to help with getting this effect. In particular, I have now ended up with #40 and #20 (inside/outside) on the Y-axis, and #30 and #10 (inside/outside) on the X-axis. This gives me enough resistance to capture the feel of the strain at extremes, yet is neutral enough in the center. I should also note that while with #20/#20, I did not have any noticeable effect of centering, with the increased resistance there is a distinct soft click as I pass through the center, due to the extra pressure on the cam. 

[Blutaar]

Hey Bearfoot, since you seem to know a lot about the Gunfighter, a question for you about mine:

 

I have the extension and was using the soft-center CAMs with two #50 springs on each access (four springs total). I really liked this setup but it had one problem: The stick did not completely recenter. It would get very close, but ultimately be just a bit off center. So, for example, I could push my stick left a small amount and release, and it would recenter except for a small bit of left aileron deflection. As far as I could tell, the dry clutches were completely loosened so I'm not sure what caused this behavior.

 

I've since started using the hard-center CAMs, but don't like them as much so I'm hoping to go back. I was just wondering if you had any ideas (who knows, maybe when I replace the soft CAMs again the problem will be gone).

 

Regardless, still love this stick!

This recentering issue hold me back from buying this stick. It is mentioned in there own forums that this happens and they say it is normal for single cam per axis gimbals. The BAUR sticks have two cams per axis and should be superior in this regard. The virpil guy said its not an issue with there product but they have only one cam per axis like the vkb one so im not 100% sure. 

[ST_Pirato]

If it is not much off center,say maybe 1%, you could add a little Deadzone. I have a Baur Stick and it is slightly off center too in roll,when using the Soft center Cam profiles. Not much,not even 1% though. In my opinion it is not much of an issue. You propably have the hands on Stick all the time,which should lead to a bit off center position anyway. No plane flys in a straight line and I doubt you will notice the little off center when in action. But I get what you mean,those sticks are expensive toys and we use to look for very minor imperfections,which are none issues until we find them

[Bearfoot]

This recentering issue hold me back from buying this stick. It is mentioned in there own forums that this happens and they say it is normal for single cam per axis gimbals. The BAUR sticks have two cams per axis and should be superior in this regard. The virpil guy said its not an issue with there product but they have only one cam per axis like the vkb one so im not 100% sure. 

 

Well, if you are going to have sleepless nights over it, it probably is better not to get the stick.

 

As noted, you can definitely have a spring combination that gives you 100% recentering --- the question is, will you be OK or like the resistance level required.

 

You can also have a cam that will give you 100% recentering no matter what the spring tension is --- the question is, will be OK with the hard center (i.e., extra resistance or stop when passing through the center).

 

So it is your choice. Personally, I would rather give up coffee rather than give up the soft center even if it did not return to the center. I love the soft center, and I have set up my resistance so that it feels just right and at the same time there is full natural return-to-center and a fully soft centering. The question is can you hit your sweet spot? The last two are dependent on the first, so it depends on how much or little resistance you want. 

 

And, TBH, since especially in WW2 (and helos) you have your hand on your stick all the time, I'm not sure if the full 100% return to center makes that much of difference -- you instinctively make micro-adjustments as need, just like you do on a bike when everything is not perfectly centered. More generally, I would imagine that trimming your aircraft correctly for a particular speed/altitude/attitude etc. makes more a difference to stability, to the extent that you are always going to need micro-adjustments to keep things "neutral" rather than relying on your hardware doing it for you. In fact, I would go so far as to assert that with any realistic FM, it would be very, very, very rare indeed for a completely centered/neutral position in your hardware to hold a perfectly neutral course/speed/altitude/attitude.

 

But I am not going to be that guy and tell you what you should want or not want! You say you want 100% neutral return to the center in your stick. So be it! I will tell you definitely achieve it with the hard cam, and with the soft cam you can achieve it with very low resistance, and can event get at it at high resistance but are going to need to play around with the springs and dry clutch. Whether or not you will hit the sweet spot to your satisfaction I cannot say. Sorry

Edited June 21, 2017 by Bearfoot

[dburne]

This recentering issue hold me back from buying this stick. It is mentioned in there own forums that this happens and they say it is normal for single cam per axis gimbals. The BAUR sticks have two cams per axis and should be superior in this regard. The virpil guy said its not an issue with there product but they have only one cam per axis like the vkb one so im not 100% sure. 

 

The Virpil gimbal is not on the market yet, so no one at this point could express their experience with that one. I have one on order and am hopeful, will see.

 

Based on reports I have seen from several folks who have purchased the VKB sticks, including the Gunfighter, they really love them and say they are the best they have seen. I have one as well, just waiting on the new MCG grip to hook mine up and start using it.

[Blutaar]

I would like to get the VKB one but i want to use my Warthog Grip and the 20cm Extension. It has a lot of weight and with the extension it will soften the springs further. And after reading about the recentering issue i had my doubts how tihs would be with that heavy Grip. Thats why i asked so much and you guys are awesome trying to help me to find out, thx for that.

 

So i guess i should purchase one and test it out but i really hate to send stuff i purchased back for refund, it feels kind of unjust that another guy at some point has to buy the product that i used before while paying the full price.

I hope you get what i mean hehe. 

 

The thing with the dry clutch is what i would really enjoy but i also would enjoy the massive BAUR Stick mounted in my simrig. I read that the big one can made really heavy like 3kg of force needed to move the stick, dont know if that would fit my needs but i sure would like to test it.

 

Anyway, thank you guys for your opinions.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Just got the shipping notification by email !

 

Now the real wait starts ! 

Edited June 24, 2017 by F/JG300_Gruber

[curiousGamblerr]

This recentering issue hold me back from buying this stick. It is mentioned in there own forums that this happens and they say it is normal for single cam per axis gimbals. The BAUR sticks have two cams per axis and should be superior in this regard. The virpil guy said its not an issue with there product but they have only one cam per axis like the vkb one so im not 100% sure. 

 

So I replaced the soft center cams yesterday after trying the hard center for a while and its possible it fixed the centering issue... will confirm after flying for a few days

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Just received and assembled my gunfighter pro.

 

Pretty happy with it so far. It looks super sturdy, the gimbal is made with great care and quality machining.

I made a couple test flight with it, the precision given with the extension is second to none. I went back to a full linear response curve, because any amount of S curve makes it not reactive enough. Yet my precision in flight has bumped upward immediately. 

I'm a bit less impressed by the grip. It's well made and feels nice in the hand but due to the leverage of the metal flipping thingy, the trigger is very soft. I even had a couple accidental fires when the flipper hit the button on the back. It also have a very long travel that makes me wonder why vkb didn't put a dual stage trigger on it.

But the overall feel is just excellent and I'm very happy with the purchase. 

 

For the self centering issue, mine don't fall dead center but this is because I've removed just a bit of tension on the dampers but haven't got far away from factory setting. I believe unscrewing them a bit more could take care of it. But I like how it responds so I'm not changing anything for the moment. With the soft cams, I've ended up with 2x#50 springs on the pitch axis and #50+#40 on the roll axis. Sounds like a lot (and feels like it when the extension isn't put on) but once the joystick is in place, it's not even close to the amount of force you can experience in flight on a light aircraft (at least those I'm flying with). I tried the hard cams but don't like them. They introduce a center "notch" on both axis that you can feel noticeably when doing circles with the stick. The soft cams are really smooth (a bit too much near the center position) and much closer to the real thing. I'm hoping they will introduce a set of medium cams that you will be able to purchase separately. You may get the best of both worlds !

 

I still have a question : How do you set up deadzones in the vkb device config software ? There is so much travel on the roll axis that I'm hitting my legs before reaching full deflection on both sides. I know it is possible to do it within the IL2 mapping menu but I would like to make a global setting so that the deadzone is identical in each sim I'm using. 

Edited June 29, 2017 by F/JG300_Gruber

[I./JG68_Sperber]

For my delivery, the TM Warthog adapter is missing.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

For my delivery, the TM Warthog adapter is missing.

 

I hope they will ship it to you very fast 

[Sokol1]

How do you set up deadzones in the vkb device config software ? 

 

 

In Action > Profile > Common -n- Axis > Deadzone High (Dz Hi) > then hit the button "Set" (to device, joystick/pedal...).

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Many thanks Sokol, you are the man ! 

[curiousGamblerr]

Just received and assembled my gunfighter pro.

 

Pretty happy with it so far. It looks super sturdy, the gimbal is made with great care and quality machining.

I made a couple test flight with it, the precision given with the extension is second to none. I went back to a full linear response curve, because any amount of S curve makes it not reactive enough. Yet my precision in flight has bumped upward immediately. 

I'm a bit less impressed by the grip. It's well made and feels nice in the hand but due to the leverage of the metal flipping thingy, the trigger is very soft. I even had a couple accidental fires when the flipper hit the button on the back. It also have a very long travel that makes me wonder why vkb didn't put a dual stage trigger on it.

But the overall feel is just excellent and I'm very happy with the purchase. 

 

For the self centering issue, mine don't fall dead center but this is because I've removed just a bit of tension on the dampers but haven't got far away from factory setting. I believe unscrewing them a bit more could take care of it. But I like how it responds so I'm not changing anything for the moment. With the soft cams, I've ended up with 2x#50 springs on the pitch axis and #50+#40 on the roll axis. Sounds like a lot (and feels like it when the extension isn't put on) but once the joystick is in place, it's not even close to the amount of force you can experience in flight on a light aircraft (at least those I'm flying with). I tried the hard cams but don't like them. They introduce a center "notch" on both axis that you can feel noticeably when doing circles with the stick. The soft cams are really smooth (a bit too much near the center position) and much closer to the real thing. I'm hoping they will introduce a set of medium cams that you will be able to purchase separately. You may get the best of both worlds !

 

I still have a question : How do you set up deadzones in the vkb device config software ? There is so much travel on the roll axis that I'm hitting my legs before reaching full deflection on both sides. I know it is possible to do it within the IL2 mapping menu but I would like to make a global setting so that the deadzone is identical in each sim I'm using. 

 

I can second a lot of this.

 

On the light trigger, I tend to flip it up on top of the grip while not in combat. I flip it down when arriving at the target area or the first hint of trouble. It's cool because it adds a nice little "safety" and flipping it down is like turning your guns like the real thing. 

 

I agree on the heavy springs. I'm still rocking 2x#50 on both axes after recent experimentation and with the extension it's really not that heavy at all. The precision is awesome, definitely agree there. I've always rocked a linear curve myself, and love it even more with the Gunfighter.

 

On the CAMs, I would definitely buy a medium to give it a try, but I love the soft so I'm happy. I agree the hard is too hard, the notches when making a circle with the stick are crazy, but thats the point of course.

 

All in love, still loving it and glad the off-center issue seems to have abated.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

For the trigger, I flip it up during navigation too. The problem is when I flip it down, if I forget to put my index finger on the back as a stopper, with the inertia of the metal trigger it will depress the push button and fire a short burst with the guns. It can be embarrassing if this happens when you are lining on your leader's six for an attack  .

But I agree this flipping action really adds to the overall immersion. 

Edited June 29, 2017 by F/JG300_Gruber

[Ribbon]

Hey Bearfoot, since you seem to know a lot about the Gunfighter, a question for you about mine:

 

I have the extension and was using the soft-center CAMs with two #50 springs on each access (four springs total). I really liked this setup but it had one problem: The stick did not completely recenter. It would get very close, but ultimately be just a bit off center. So, for example, I could push my stick left a small amount and release, and it would recenter except for a small bit of left aileron deflection. As far as I could tell, the dry clutches were completely loosened so I'm not sure what caused this behavior.

 

I've since started using the hard-center CAMs, but don't like them as much so I'm hoping to go back. I was just wondering if you had any ideas (who knows, maybe when I replace the soft CAMs again the problem will be gone).

 

Regardless, still love this stick!

#30 cams will solve centering problem.

I use #30cams with #30+10 springs

[LukeFF]

Just skimming this thread, so apologies if this has already been answered: is still going to be possible to order the Gunfighter base without the default KG12 grip? If I order the Gunfighter base, I'd want to use it with one of the upcoming MCG grips.

[Sokol1]

No, probable this option result in too much support from VKB (small) staff, since use other grips (even from VKB) in Gunfighter base is not just "bolt and play".

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=5914

 

 

There will be these options for Gunfighter with MCG grip (compatible too with Gladiator PRO base):

 

 

Gunfighter 'Vintage' Edition (KG12 grip)

Gunfighter 'Modern Combat' Edition (choice of MCG or MCG Pro)

Gunfighter 'Deluxe' Edition (KG12 plus MCG or MCG Pro bundle)

Gunfighter Pro 'Vintage' Edition (KG12 grip)

Gunfighter Pro 'Modern Combat' Edition (choice of MCG or MCG Pro)

Gunfighter Pro 'Deluxe' Edition (KG12 plus MCG or MCG Pro bundle)

 

Prices TBD, ETA still not firm yet, awaiting news from VKB HQ later this month...

Edited August 21, 2017 by Sokol1

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Is there a desk drop mount similar to the Virpil one that works with the VKB Gunfighter Pro?

[Sokol1]

Mostertech ( a bit expensive) - select the support plate in drop down list there: https://www.monstertech.de/produkt-kategorie/tischhalterungen/

Edited August 25, 2017 by Sokol1

[dburne]

Mostertech ( a bit expensive) - select the support plate in drop down list there: https://www.monstertech.de/produkt-kategorie/tischhalterungen/

 

They are nice and very adjustable. I have one along with the Gunfighter plate I will be using when I get my Gunfighter all set up.

[Sokol1]

Just skimming this thread, so apologies if this has already been answered: is still going to be possible to order the Gunfighter base without the default KG12 grip? If I order the Gunfighter base, I'd want to use it with one of the upcoming MCG grips.

 

From VKB North America last Newsletter:

 

 

VKB HQ has agreed to start selling base-only options again, so expect to see 'Gunfighter Base-Only' and 'Gladiator Pro Base-Only' versions at vkbcontrollers.com soon!

Edited August 26, 2017 by Sokol1

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Mostertech ( a bit expensive) - select the support plate in drop down list there: https://www.monstertech.de/produkt-kategorie/tischhalterungen/

 

Yeah they are a bit on the expensive side. Will see if the funds stretch that far but after postage as well I might have to give it a miss. Thanks for the product link though!

[Sokol1]

I believed that eventually someone will make plates for use VKB sticks in VirPil desk mount.

[Blutaar]

Does anybody know when i can get a VKB Gunfighter Pro in Eruope? Also i would like to buy one without the standard stick but with the new one which comes next month in the US shop?

[Sokol1]

I believed that eventually someone will make plates for use VKB sticks in VirPil desk mount.

 

And... 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=61897

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/5326-obsuzhdenie-proekta-vpc-mangust-50/page-32?do=findComment&comment=555525

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Awesome, thanks Sokol. Is that community made, or are Virpil making it?

[Sokol1]

Solway is form VirPil team.

[Ribbon]

Does anybody know when i can get a VKB Gunfighter Pro in Eruope? Also i would like to buy one without the standard stick but with the new one which comes next month in the US shop?

You can ask that on the vkb europe forum, i'm sure someone from vkb team will answer you.