Bullets Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I fly on WOL pretty much exclusively online now as I find it has the best settings & missions for fun flight. The ONLY drawback being I can't use my nice custom skins I have downloaded which wasn't such a bummer until the last few months with the introduction of 4k skins. Seeing as 4k skins are not going to be made default skins for the foreseeable future we currently cannot use them on this server which is a real shame as they really do make you aircraft look stunning out of the cockpit which seeing as this server is 1st person view only is a pretty big deal IMO. I have heard the only reason they were turned off is people were scared about skinning exploits and the actions of 1 person and his squad in particular, as far as I am aware they have all been banned and there is no publicly acknowledged way to exploit or cheat in this game. (I don't want to turn this into a discussion about the ability to exploit please) I have decided to create a poll to see our forums opinion on the matter and if the public opinion matches mine could we PLEASE have custom skins enabled once again on WOL? Thanks Bullets
Asgar Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 wrong forum section. after 450 posts you should know that
Bullets Posted May 22, 2017 Author Posted May 22, 2017 Sorry officer I didn't actually know there was a specific poll forum section apologies
BlackHellHound1 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I still don't understand why the server would block something that has taken the community hours, days, weeks and months to build. I am spreading the word with as many as I can. It is time to get something done about this! BlackHellHound1 2
DD_Arthur Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Hi Bullets. I have voted YES in your poll. I too would like custom skins re-enabled on WoL for much the same reasons as yours, plus I really enjoy movie-making in BoS so I find it a bit of a shame we are unable to use them on the most popular server. Whilst we're at it I'd also like WoL to allow us to use mirrors and give a bit of leeway on the what we can arm single-seaters with in the way of bombs. However, (I don't want to turn this into a discussion about the ability to exploit please) Unfortunately it is about exploits. Under the present system of aircraft skins you can create a transparent skin. Heres an example on the Yak1B. As you can see, it gives the user certain advantages. In the case of the Yak the whole of the airplane forward of the engine bulkhead becomes invisible to the player. This obviously gives a big advantage in terms of visbility. Like I say; personally, I'd like to see custom skins back but I can understand why they've done it. 1
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Bullets Posted May 22, 2017 Author Posted May 22, 2017 Hi Bullets. I have voted YES in your poll. I too would like custom skins re-enabled on WoL for much the same reasons as yours, plus I really enjoy movie-making in BoS so I find it a bit of a shame we are unable to use them on the most popular server. Whilst we're at it I'd also like WoL to allow us to use mirrors and give a bit of leeway on the what we can arm single-seaters with in the way of bombs. However, Unfortunately it is about exploits. Under the present system of aircraft skins you can create a transparent skin. Heres an example on the Yak1B. As you can see, it gives the user certain advantages. In the case of the Yak the whole of the airplane forward of the engine bulkhead becomes invisible to the player. This obviously gives a big advantage in terms of visbility. Like I say; personally, I'd like to see custom skins back but I can understand why they've done it. I didn't want to discuss the topic but as far as I am aware, as with a normal custom skin (modded or not modded to be invisible) if someone another PC doesn't have that skin installed your aircraft appears in the default skin. So using that logic if you were to use an invisible skin it would be visible to everyone but you?? 1
FTC_DerSheriff Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I don't care if other guys CAN exploit it. I just don't want that they have control over MY experience. So turn those skins on. Asap 9
DD_Arthur Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 So using that logic if you were to use an invisible skin it would be visible to everyone but you?? Er.....no. Thats the problem with this exploit. If you are using your own transparent skin on a server that allows custom skins then indeed, other players will see the default skin and be unaware you are using a transparent skin with all the advantages it gives you in terms of visibility and gunnery.
Bullets Posted May 22, 2017 Author Posted May 22, 2017 Er.....no. Thats the problem with this exploit. If you are using your own transparent skin on a server that allows custom skins then indeed, other players will see the default skin and be unaware you are using a transparent skin with all the advantages it gives you in terms of visibility and gunnery. Ohhhh I seeeee its not about making other people not see you its about giving you better visibility I get ya 1
Haza Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. Shadow, Some friendly advice. I notice that you have been a member since Dec 2016 and yet you are talking about other members as filth (and trash in another post). I would be very careful what you are saying on these forums as you might find that you will be the one who is banned for breaking at least as a minimum Rule 7 and perhaps even Rule 6 regarding questioning why players are being allowed to keep their accounts! I'm not saying what you are saying is not accurate in your eyes, however, there are other ways to raise your concerns and issues such as through a moderator or directly with 1C Game/777 studios. Don't be the one that is punished trying to raise these issue! Regards H Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin 5
OrLoK Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 On for me (cant see poll on mobile but ill vote when my pc finishes rendering.) Sod the cheats. If they exploit theyll get banned. Dont let em ruin the fun!
BlackHellHound1 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) I honestly don't care about cheaters like this in the game. It does not make them better, it makes them more rewarding to shoot down. I find the disrespect for the skinning community a bigger problem. Denying access to the hard work of many highly talented skinners is a straight up insult. I am not joking when I say that some of these skins take days, weeks or months to make. Only so that people can look at a few pictures and then do nothing with them! It feels that since the skins were blocked, I have no longer been making skins for the whole community but only for the serious TAW and Random Expert players! A far smaller group of players. I would be lying if I said this does not annoy and enrage me! 1 or 2 cheaters on the server do not outway the time invested in making the skins. Just had to get this out of my system. Now you guys know my point of view, a skinners point of view! plz, help spread the word and help skins return! BlackHellHound1 Edited May 22, 2017 by BlackHellHound1 2
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 -snip- I know this is OT for this specific thread but I'm concerned that the near total lack of modeling for these "parts" is why we can't have a nice visual DM which isn't just painted on black spots. As to skins on WOL or any MP server - so be it.
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) As long as you don't post skins name public there is slim chance that somebody guess its name and use it as name for other one. Only teams can exploit it by making it stands out amongst others. But that was also purpose of making unique skins in real life and I know by the coms where there are if lost sight. One disadvantage is that if you use own skin on winter map other without it will see you in summer camo. I vote Yes for custom skins. Edited May 22, 2017 by 307_Tomcat
SCG_Fenris_Wolf Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Wait, I thought you needed the "transparent skin" installed on your own Computer in order to see a transparent skin used by any other player. Hence, exploits don't seem to be an issue. Turn it on! And even if I am wrong - anyone can get banned with the evidence of a simple screenshot or short videoclip. Recording software and screenshots are so readily available that it won't happen for longer than an evening. There is also almost always an admin online of WoL on the Rus TS Server. So. Mr Gorbatchev. Turn that thing on! 1
=WH=PangolinWranglin Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Yes for me. I spent a lot of time making skins for me and my squad members!
Inkophile Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I'd love to have custom skins, but is there any way for admins to allow/block specific skins, or is just a general on/off feature available?
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 -snip- I thought you needed the "transparent skin" installed on your own Computer in order to see a transparent skin used by any other player. -snip- I think some people are missing the point: only the "offending" player needs to have the transparent skin to see you below his invisible engine compartment. 2
SCG_Fenris_Wolf Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Oh that's why. Sorry, I started playing IL-2 about two weeks ago. It sounds very... unfortunate. 1
OrLoK Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I think some people are missing the point: only the "offending" player needs to have the transparent skin to see you below his invisible engine compartment. hmmm, interesting. How were the cheaters mentioned in this thread caught? Id still hope that they would be in the minority.
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Boaty-McBoatface Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) [edited]Shadow- if you feel it is right to be throwing disparaging remarks like filth and trash around and the players in question have indeed proven to be cheaters , then you should have no trouble providing names for us who don't know. Totally against forum policies so it wont happen. Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Aap Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Why do you keep inventing that kind of stuff and why do you keep calling your fantasies facts?
Haza Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. I assumed Rule 7 covered this regarding naming. In addition I think your comments are perhaps becoming a little to political as well by mentioning drug cheats and the Olympics. I do not think that this forum should be used in such a manner to prove or justify your point. Regards PS. You mention superhuman!? This coming from the chap who dive bombs in an HE111 then completes a low level loop over the target to drop remaining bombs. Now that IRL would certainly be superhuman and perhaps not very historically accurate so perhaps your reference to bombing stats to prove your point does little if anything I believe to justify your logic about cheats. Perhaps dive bombing and looping could be seen as you gaining an unfair advantage over others Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
BlackHellHound1 Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. You clearly don't get the point, do you? On each topic you post something it ends up in ungrounded [edited] based on your incorrect beliefs. In my live, I learned a phrase, a phrase I live to break: "What I know is fact! Why else would I know it?". It is not a beautiful or poetic phrase, but it is a damn important one. It means that people block themselves from comments from others and instantly believe that the other is wrong no matter what. People like this have a tendency to defend their statements with the greatest unfounded random things that have nothing to do with the statement in the first place! DONT BE LIKE THIS! Learn that the world does not work the way you think! Learn from those with actual grounded experience. And if you don't want to learn from those who actually know more: Keep yourself out of it. [edited] Now, can we get this topic back on track with the subject of skins on WoL? BlackHellHound1 Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin 2
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. This is your last warning. Next time rules will be applied. Edited May 23, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Bullets Posted May 23, 2017 Author Posted May 23, 2017 People that are voting no, I am curious what is your reasoning behind this?
SYN_Haashashin Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Hi guys, We all know that acusations of cheating and name calling other members (I dont care what you think of that particular member) is not welcome here. Keep the conversation on track and civil. Just cleaned up this... Haash 4
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Oh that's why. Sorry, I started playing IL-2 about two weeks ago. It sounds very... unfortunate. It's really a corner to be backed in to - there are so many awesome skins that we all want to use and show off but at the same time there is virtually nothing that can be done to eliminate the exploit described above.
FTC_Etherlight Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Well, I personally voted no, because I do not care all that much about custom skins. Therefore making it more difficult for certain people to exploit takes a higher place on the priority list for me. I absolutely understand the creators of custom skins being pissed off about it, but there is really no way to gauge how big of a problem this actually is. Since it is in fact undetectable right now, there could be dozens of bananaheads flying around with see-through planes, so I don't think calling this a minor issue without any indication of it being so does it justice. Guess it all comes down to how big of a deal custom skins are for you. 1
Inkophile Posted May 24, 2017 Posted May 24, 2017 Well, I personally voted no, because I do not care all that much about custom skins. Therefore making it more difficult for certain people to exploit takes a higher place on the priority list for me. I absolutely understand the creators of custom skins being pissed off about it, but there is really no way to gauge how big of a problem this actually is. Since it is in fact undetectable right now, there could be dozens of bananaheads flying around with see-through planes, so I don't think calling this a minor issue without any indication of it being so does it justice. Guess it all comes down to how big of a deal custom skins are for you. I'm thinking exactly like this. Hopefully it can prompt the devs to include a way for server admins to whitelist skins they do want to allow (file name, checksum, etc) and block use of any other skins. I think everyone here wants to use custom skins for one reason or another, but with no existing cheat-prevention method implemented it doens't feel like there's a real choice.
=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Since the general consensus of nearly 4:1 in favor of bringing back the custom skins to WoL, have we seen or heard any movement from the WoL moderators on this topic, or is it just the 300lb gorilla in the room? Was this all a waste of time?
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 How this transparent skin actually look from the cockpit view?
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