Teamstacking WoL

[Wrenn]

I normally don't post these sorts of thing on forums as they don't accomplish much, but I'm hoping this can at least start a conversation. Hi, My name is Mike and I like IL-2 a lot. Unfortunately it seems if you play after the hour of 6 P.M. PT there never seems to be even teams on Wings of Liberty. Its so frustrating to join WoL and find the teams stacked 34 to 18 in favor of the Germans almost every night. I can hop in the Teamspeak and find ten people in the German chat and one in the Russian chat. Guys if you don't want this game to die you must realize that this no fun for people on the other side. I love both the Germans and Russians for different reasons, and I want everyone to enjoy them both.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Well considering on WOL the way missions are made and heavily stacked in favour of VVS almost winning every mission
(easier bomb runs, low skill LW aaa and high skill vvs Gunners)

Even teams are actual 40LW Versus 30 VVS and even then its very hard to win as LW.

No longer play VVS bombers as they to easy mode & when i do fly a pe2 i now disable ALL my gunners as its a Disgusting exploit having my pe2 gunner snipe 190's @ 1K away while they doing 800kph on crazy angles.

[curiousGamblerr]

Well considering on WOL the way missions are made and heavily stacked in favour of VVS almost winning every mission

(easier bomb runs, low skill LW aaa and high skill vvs Gunners)

 

Even teams are actual 40LW Versus 30 VVS and even then its very hard to win as LW.

 

No longer play VVS bombers as they to easy mode & when i do fly a pe2 i now disable ALL my gunners as its a Disgusting exploit having my pe2 gunner snipe 190's @ 1K away while they doing 800kph on crazy angles.

 

Okay, nonsense, as usual.... making me wish this was reddit and we had a downvote button....

 

 

I normally don't post these sorts of thing on forums as they don't accomplish much, but I'm hoping this can at least start a conversation. Hi, My name is Mike and I like IL-2 a lot. Unfortunately it seems if you play after the hour of 6 P.M. PT there never seems to be even teams on Wings of Liberty. Its so frustrating to join WoL and find the teams stacked 34 to 18 in favor of the Germans almost every night. I can hop in the Teamspeak and find ten people in the German chat and one in the Russian chat. Guys if you don't want this game to die you must realize that this no fun for people on the other side. I love both the Germans and Russians for different reasons, and I want everyone to enjoy them both.

 

But yeah, it sucks, "but we're a historical Luftwaffe squadron, blah blah blah..." - the fact is, there are a number of squadrons that insist on flying LW only. I won't name names, they are abundant. On the other hand, there are literally zero squads that have the same selfish insistence on flying VVS. Heck, 19// used to be 19.GIAP//, a "VVS squad" simply because the Germans needed someone to shoot at.

 

Now, to a small extent, I can't blame people. Many of us started playing this game to fly the German planes. I grew up loving the 109, 190, Ju87 and 88, but the reality of the numbers has forced me to get to know the Russian planes. This is because of the number issues you mentioned.

 

The best part of this issue is that these same German-only pilots will come on these forums and complain the German planes are made of glass and the Russian aircraft overpowered (see above). If it's so awful, try flying Russian. Try being stuck below a cloud of 109s, outnumbered constantly, tell me how "broken" the German planes are. The reality is much less dramatic. Both sides have their strengths, and a competent pilot can get a kill in almost anything.

 

But I digress- you're right, the numbers are absurd most of the time. It's this type of attitude that, given my busy IRL situation at the moment, has made it easy for me to take a short break from this game. Of course I can't help lurking the forums because I love this game and will be back in a couple weeks after my vacation.

 

And on that note, I'm going to continue packing for my trip to the mountains and conclude by reiterating that you're right, the numbers are absurd, and the folks oughta even the sides online more often.

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Edited May 14, 2017 by 19//curiousGamblerr

[LLv24_Zami]

I have always wondered the same thing, some players sticking strictly on one certain plane/side. Doesn't that get a little boring?

 

I don't play much MP, usually Ded Normal server some weekend night with couple of beers to have some fun. I usually take the side with less players, because simply it's not fun if other side is seriously outnumbered. And many times VVS is with less players so I join them.Even in that server some guys always seem to play LW,

no matter how the balance is between sides. I love flying 109 and other German crates but that does not exclude flying for VVS.

[FTC_Etherlight]

Basically: Yup, it sucks. There is just a very considerable amount of people who will fly nothing but LW. Quite often I see rounds with a fairly reasonable balance, then the map switches and people reconnect...Then it's suddenly, even with the same people, 40 vs. 18. Why? Because quite a few people who flew VVS will say "Well, now I'm going to play LW to keep things fresh!" Thin is, there is a huge chunk of LW'lers who will not do the opposite.

 

It has always been a problem in this sim, certain timezones are worse than others. It's reasonable okay in EU primetime, but especially in the US timezones it's getting pretty bad.

 

I've been calling for a way to autobalance stuff for quite a while now. Something that's really old and well used in shooters, Battlefield for example. Server owners have the possibility to switch on an Auto-balancer. I don't want to force people to switch sides when they already picked one, nobody wants to separate teammates etc. but if there is a significant disproportion in team population (1,5:1 or maybe even 2:1), people should be blocked from joining the stacked team from spectators, i.e. when they connect and have not picked a team, yet.

The only argument against such a proposition I keep hearing is "Well, some people can't/won't/whatever fly the other team, so they'll just disconnect!" Well? Tough luck. I think it's unfair to fuck up the experience for both teams (it's a shit situation to get swarmed 3:1 and it's boring as all hell  to have nobody to shoot down most of the time), just because a few select individuals cannot or will not sacrifice their personal preference sometimes to provide a meaningful online environment. There's simply too many people who are okay with being part of the problem instead of fixing it. So maybe a little help in that regard by providing a rather soft automated solution may be the way to go.

 

I don't think such a solution as described above is terribly hard to code (just have the server look at team numbers and block the corresponding side for joining, I think that's doable) and the server owner would be free to use this option or not, but I think the possibility might prove worthwhile, especially in times when teams get new toys or significant balance changes. Because on the one hand I always look forward to new stuff or necessary fixes, on the other hand it's easy to predict that those will sometimes stack teams to the extreme, because everybody wants to try it out in a competitive environment.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

so they should just put trucks and buildings to make it easy for the German side then...

[Barnacles]

The team stacking thing happens on other servers, ones without the balancing features you mention below. I think it to some degree a factor of newish players being reluctant to fly a plane they are less confident in being able to fly competitively, rather than some noble plan to compensate for 'sniper' pe2 gunners.

Well considering on WOL the way missions are made and heavily stacked in favour of VVS almost winning every mission
(easier bomb runs, low skill LW aaa and high skill vvs Gunners)

Even teams are actual 40LW Versus 30 VVS and even then its very hard to win as LW.

No longer play VVS bombers as they to easy mode & when i do fly a pe2 i now disable ALL my gunners as its a Disgusting exploit having my pe2 gunner snipe 190's @ 1K away while they doing 800kph on crazy angles.

Edited May 14, 2017 by 71st_AH_Barnacles

[Wrenn]

Thanks for all the quick responses guys. I think this needs to see more eyes and people agreeing to help sometimes would be a great start.

[1./KG4_OldJames]

...Or, try a different server.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

As said before, this is mostly an issue when the American evening hours begin. In the European midday, VVS is usually with high or superior numbers, it levels out during the European evening. At night it flips totally when the Americans get online, and levels out again when the Aussies get on.

 

It is more an issue with mentality, than with anything else. Again, repeating others here.

[JG13_opcode]

I think it's mostly because all the North American Allied-only types are still flying CLOD, where they can get their precious spitfires.

[SYN_Mike77]

Yeah, JG13, the Spit 5 might be the best team balancer yet conceived!

 

And if the P-51 were in the game the balance would swing the other way in US evening time.

Edited May 14, 2017 by SYN_Mike77

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

 

Okay, nonsense, as usual.... making me wish this was reddit and we had a downvote button....

 

Open a mission in STeditor.exe before you say such things.

 

There is a clear VVS bias (even teams are not 1 - 1 )

[Original_Uwe]

I really don't understand the knee jerk reaction to deride we who stick to the Luftwaffe birds.

That said yes, here *raises hand* I personally just dont fly red. Never have, never will, just boring. I've always said if they made a stripped down version with just 109/190 flyable I'd have bought that.

 

Rather than talking crap about people who are doing what they enjoy with the game they have purchased for entertainment maybe try to figure out why so few Americans fly red/so many favor blue.

[Wrenn]

Guys lets keep it civil please. Both nations have certain things going for them. The only point I make is at some point  I wish people could break away from their preference for the sake of the game. I prefer Luftwaffe aircraft myself but I play the VVS about 90% of the time for the sake of team balance and gameplay. The game will lose players and eventually die if it doesn't happen.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The best things about forums is there are never ever ever over generalizations.........

[Original_Uwe]

Dude you've never flown a Pe2 in your life on the server for Red. Heinkel runs in your blood.

 

The reason you bloody Americans don't fly red is because your egos are over-inflated and too sensitive to anything that will detract from your poxy stats. Good riddance to all of you Yankee stat junkies! 

 

And that's also the reason many of us can't ever get the chance to fly blue because it's always stacked 3:1 in favour of the 109 junkies. FFS, get off your 109 high horses for once.

 

 

Speaking of high horses...

 

So Ill try to respond rationally, here goes.

I don't like the Russian aircraft. Aside from that the reasons I don't fly Russian in general are probably more cultural than anything else.

I like the 109 and to a much lesser extent the 190.

Never checked stats in my life and frankly I get shot down too much to really care about them.

 

 

So those things all considered why should I spend my limited play time making a chore out of it by flying red?

If you can answer without using the word 'community' Ill award you a shiny new internet.

 

The best things about forums is there are never ever ever over generalizations.........

 

LuftWhiners assemble lol

Edit: Love the sig line HerrMurf

Edited May 14, 2017 by 1./JG54_Uwe

[Guest deleted@83466]

Dude you've never flown a Pe2 in your life on the server for Red. Heinkel runs in your blood.

 

The reason you bloody Americans don't fly red is because your egos are over-inflated and too sensitive to anything that will detract from your poxy stats. Good riddance to all of you Yankee stat junkies! 

 

And that's also the reason many of us can't ever get the chance to fly blue because it's always stacked 3:1 in favour of the 109 junkies. FFS, get off your 109 high horses for once.

 

This kind of post reflects very poorly on you.  I'm American and I fly with several other Americans who make a very conscious effort to balance the sides, while still trying to get our money's worth out of the German planes that we own and like.  And, incidentally, I also happen to be one who places a great emphasis on Stats, hoping that someday I'll actually develop the skills to be able to get some!...When you say stuff like this, you severely undermine whatever point you are trying to make. 

 

As far as the side discussion goes, of easy button planes, and AI snipers.  I think WoL could go a long way towards satisfying everyone by simply setting all of the AI gunners, for all of the aircraft on both sides to Normal or even Veteran skill level.   Luftwaffe pilots gripe about the Pe2?  I flew both Russian and German sides last night and got nailed by a Pe2 rear turret also.  But I've been left every bit as incredulous when flying Russian at how dangerous attacking a Stuka or a Ju-88 can be, with even the briefest exposure to their firing arc.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Iceworm

[AndyJWest]

It's threads like this that remind me why I don't fly multiplayer any more. The AI are much more civilised, and fly whatever they are told to.   

[Original_Uwe]

It's threads like this that remind me why I don't fly multiplayer any more. The AI are much more civilised, and fly whatever they are told to.

 

And in a lot of ways they are more realistic pilots.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

It boggles the mind that players are happy to pay out for a game then only use 1 or 2 airframes.

 

Balancing teams and contributing to the server environment aside, it seems like a downright insult to the developers and the work that has gone into so thoroughly recreating these historical airframes.

Edited May 15, 2017 by B0SS

[JG13_opcode]

I have a problem with the way other people choose to spend their free time playing a computer game

Go make a server and ban people who won't switch sides to balance the teams, then.

Edited May 15, 2017 by JG13_opcode

[Original_Uwe]

It boggles the mind that players are happy to pay out for a game then only use 1 or 2 airframes.

Balancing teams and contributing to the server environment aside, it seems like a downright insult to the developers and the work that has gone into so thoroughly recreating these historical airframes.

How is it insulting? They work for me (us) as the end consumer.

How we choose to use their wares is irrelevant after we purchase them, as it is our property.

 

And again, I would have jumped on a stripped down version with just the 109/190.

 

Still no reason why we should fly planes we dislike-no internets for you.

[Flitgun]

Haven't expert servers, with historical aircraft, always been lopsided and red (vvs) players outnumbered? I seem to remember it that way since about 2004. I think most western Europeans, Americans et al are just more familiar with LW aircraft and so gravitate toward what they know. These groups of people are the vast majority of the player population. And, we are creatures of habit.

 

So, OP's warning the game may 'die' due to teamstacking is highly unlikely, imo. 

 

However, things tend to even out a bit when a Spitfire is in the mix. Maybe OP's woes will be over when BoK is out - that has a Spit I understand and certainly this aircraft draws a crowd.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Americans do fly red side - Rambo is and he is one men army so please leave that imbalance and give at least some chance to LW

[Guest deleted@83466]

One of the things in RoF that made it easier for somebody to step out of character and fly for the "other" side, or fly unfamiliar aircraft, was the ability to have up to 3 user profiles.  That way if a guy had good stats or a big streak, switching to the side that was outnumbered or had bad planes maybe wasn't so much of a stretch, because he could simply use a different profile.  Likewise, a fighter pilot could retain his virtual life as a fighter pilot, but also come in and have a completely separate v life as a bomber pilot.   I guess the developers changed this in BoS in order to cut down on trolls, and that is probably a good thing; The downside is that only having one user profile probably contributes to keeping people firmly locked in their comfort zone, unwilling to venture outside of it, especially if the have a good v life going.

[FTC_Etherlight]

How is it insulting? They work for me (us) as the end consumer.

How we choose to use their wares is irrelevant after we purchase them, as it is our property.

 

And again, I would have jumped on a stripped down version with just the 109/190.

 

Still no reason why we should fly planes we dislike-no internets for you.

 

Let's not get caught up in the "forcing people to fly this and that" debate. That's not what the problem is about. I also don't especially care why people fly what they fly. Be it that some stuff is simply more easy, be it the fighting style of certain aircraft, or political/cultural preference/prejudice which will immediately bring us into creepy-land and I have no interest to end up in a political shitfest. That discussion may very well be had on /r/ShitWehraboosSay/.

I only care about the hard numbers on the server. And to fix those nobody has to be forced to fly VVS, they are perfectly welcome to disconnect and try and find a server where VVS is the majority (heh). I for one, as a hypothetical server admin, would be much more happy with 50 people on the server playing 20 vs 30 or 25 vs 25 than with 70 people playing 50 vs 20. While people bought the product and they have a right to use it, a server admin also has the right to set the rules on their server. The point that I tried and am trying to make is that server admins should have a tool that provides them the ability to balance out their server to a degree that provides a meaningful environment.

 

I'm not saying this should be a forced requirement on every server, I'm saying it's a useful tool that might (would) enhance the MP experience quite a bit in certain situations.

[Original_Uwe]

Let's not get caught up in the "forcing people to fly this and that" debate. That's not what the problem is about. I also don't especially care why people fly what they fly. Be it that some stuff is simply more easy, be it the fighting style of certain aircraft, or political/cultural preference/prejudice which will immediately bring us into creepy-land and I have no interest to end up in a political shitfest. That discussion may very well be had on /r/ShitWehraboosSay/.

I only care about the hard numbers on the server. And to fix those nobody has to be forced to fly VVS, they are perfectly welcome to disconnect and try and find a server where VVS is the majority (heh). I for one, as a hypothetical server admin, would be much more happy with 50 people on the server playing 20 vs 30 or 25 vs 25 than with 70 people playing 50 vs 20. While people bought the product and they have a right to use it, a server admin also has the right to set the rules on their server. The point that I tried and am trying to make is that server admins should have a tool that provides them the ability to balance out their server to a degree that provides a meaningful environment.

 

I'm not saying this should be a forced requirement on every server, I'm saying it's a useful tool that might (would) enhance the MP experience quite a bit in certain situations.

Id agree with you on that, the more options the better. It's the same reason I've always loved mods-more options caters to more people makes happy customers.

If I was ever in a situation where a hypothetical server existed that wanted to force me to fly red I'd just find another server or fly offline. Their server their rules.

 

Also the addition of more lend lease aircraft will probably help things out a lot. P-39, spit, and A-20 will probably even things out quite a bit.

[Guest deleted@103832]

Also the addition of more lend lease aircraft will probably help things out a lot. P-39, spit, and A-20 will probably even things out quite a bit.

+1

[Haza]

+1

 

Gents,

 

I for one have now realised that there are others out there who care little for what others think nor do they care about the overall gaming/sim experience of others.  As was once told to me in game chat "I do what I want to do and don't care what others are doing or think", however, as a general rule, if the sides are unbalanced, I usually have the common sense and perhaps more importantly a level of common decency to try and keep the sides level.  However, it still amazes me to watch when the sides are perhaps either at 2:1 or 3:1, that players will still join the server and without hesitation will jump onto the biggest side.

 

Both sides are guilty of this as the imbalance does shift depending on the time zone.  The only thing that I can be thankful about is that we have a large number of players who are happy to try and maintain the balance.  This month currently we have about 600 Blue players, 450 Red players and 400 mixed players that play on either side.  Therefore, it would appear that we should have enough players in total to at least keep the sides fairly balanced.

 

However, I for one will no longer waste my time nor anybody else's time trying to encourage others to do perhaps the right thing in chat.  Unfortunately, I assumed that we had a more mature player base here that would not worry about stats or their own glorification of being the top ace in a game where players are happy to use either the GPS or the Engine management read- outs, whilst complaining about the FM not being correct or that something else is wrong.

 

I do acknowledge that there are players out there who want to do the best they can for a month just doing one side or want to better themselves from the previous month and I certainly would not demand that anybody must change their style of play.  However, next time you join the server, please at least consider levelling the sides up if they are totally unbalanced as there are other servers out there that have clearly demonstrated that if the sides become too unbalanced, players will not bother and eventually the server just grinds to a halt and only a few die-hards will use it

 

I have little faith that the new aircraft on the horizon will somehow make players do something differently, as after the initial excitement of trying something different, players will revert back to type.  Therefore, perhaps we should all just do what we want to do and to hell with everybody else, however, I hope that we are better than that and occasionally will do something that perhaps is helpful to others.

 

Regards

Edited May 16, 2017 by Haza

[Original_Uwe]

Haza good post, and I'm really not trying to rib you like I was boss, but if I may...

Why is it you assume that we who fly blue only do so for stats and only do it because they are currently the best plane?

 

From the people I know, many blue only pilots, we do so because we simply like the German planes better.

We fly them in the early war when we have an advantage, and we do it at the end of the war in our G-6 against LA-7 and mustangs.

 

Why is it that people of your position refuse to acknowledge that we fly the planes we do because we like them, not because they are an instant win button to chase stats with?

[Flitgun]

Haza good post, and I'm really not trying to rib you like I was boss, but if I may...

Why is it you assume that we who fly blue only do so for stats and only do it because they are currently the best plane?

 

From the people I know, many blue only pilots, we do so because we simply like the German planes better.

We fly them in the early war when we have an advantage, and we do it at the end of the war in our G-6 against LA-7 and mustangs.

 

Why is it that people of your position refuse to acknowledge that we fly the planes we do because we like them, not because they are an instant win button to chase stats with?

Hi Uwe,

 

May I politely suggest to you that there are some pilots out there who prefer the German planes, but nevertheless fly Russian planes in WoL because they have given mind to the lop sided teams. So, it doesn't really matter WHY one flies German planes in an unbalanced server, but rather that they might give some consideration to others before they act on their own preferences and be a little more 'team spirited' and 'sporting'. 

 

However, Haza is an Australian and I am a Kiwi, and it is traditional at this point for me to remind Haza of a certain underarm bowl in a cricket game in 1981 and that as a result of this cricket incident he does not know the meaning of the word 'sporting'. 

[Haza]

Haza good post, and I'm really not trying to rib you like I was boss, but if I may...

Why is it you assume that we who fly blue only do so for stats and only do it because they are currently the best plane?

 

From the people I know, many blue only pilots, we do so because we simply like the German planes better.

We fly them in the early war when we have an advantage, and we do it at the end of the war in our G-6 against LA-7 and mustangs.

 

Why is it that people of your position refuse to acknowledge that we fly the planes we do because we like them, not because they are an instant win button to chase stats with?

 

 

Hi Uwe,

 

May I politely suggest to you that there are some pilots out there who prefer the German planes, but nevertheless fly Russian planes in WoL because they have given mind to the lop sided teams. So, it doesn't really matter WHY one flies German planes in an unbalanced server, but rather that they might give some consideration to others before they act on their own preferences and be a little more 'team spirited' and 'sporting'. 

 

However, Haza is an Australian and I am a Kiwi, and it is traditional at this point for me to remind Haza of a certain underarm bowl in a cricket game in 1981 and that as a result of this cricket incident he does not know the meaning of the word 'sporting'. 

 

Uwe,

 

Firstly, having read my post again and without ribbing you for being so defensive, I acknowledged in my post that everybody has their own reasons for doing what they want to do.  Therefore, If you like the German aircraft and "our G-6" (that made me laugh) in this game then that is fine and I'm certainly not going to burst your bubble.

 

However, the last time I checked, this is actually a computer game and as far as I can recall, playing a game usually requires a minimum of 2 sides. I do recall another server that went through a phase where the server went from being very populated to having a few players because the sides became so unbalanced that players did not join when the numbers were so stacked against them, therefore, the game kind of folded.  

 

In addition, I'm not sure what position you believe that I have that you are referring to.  As a fairly level headed guy (not biased as you can tell), my position would not change if I was watching a game of football (soccer for the yanks), or Rugby (Mans game without all the crash helmets and padding) and one side outnumbered the other side by 2:1.  I have been at my my son's local football match (under 13 team), where players from one side have played for the other side when players haven't turned up to try and keep the match level and to allow the game to go ahead, otherwise the match would have been forfeited by the other team.  I guess there is a sense for them of being able to play and win on level terms then to win against an outnumbered team or for the match be cancelled.  Now I'm sure a few of those boys wanted the blue shirt instead of the red shirt because it was made of cotton and not silk, however, if kids can get it in real life, then it is a shame that grown adults just can not see the wood for the tress.

 

Anyway, you enjoy doing what you want to do as it is a only a computer game.  I'm happy to let go of your G-6 now and again to play red, so thanks, however, I'm not sure where the La-7s or the P-51s are though that you are referring to as that would be good.  Or were you still in your Blue character mind-set when you were typing?  I admire players who get into a game in such a way that they start to believe that it is real.

 

 

Flitgun,

 

Nice post, mate, cheers!

Ya sore bloody loser!

Edited May 16, 2017 by Haza

[-SF-Disarray]

It would be nice to see more balanced teams on servers, it isn't just a problem on WOL. In part I'd like to see that because it would be more sporting, getting jumped by an entire fighter wing while exciting gets old after a time. I would also like to see it so I could fly German planes without feeling like a 'team stacking scumbag,' it is a technical term I use. I just can't find it in me most times to select that German airfield when there are 40 other players on that team to begin with. As to Uwe's point, that he and those like him fly German because they like to, I think no-one is acknowledging that point because it is largely irreverent to the discussion; why isn't all that important, the fact that it is happening seems to be at issue here.

 

While we are on the topic of things that bug people, can I ask that people stop attacking planes at the spawn point? Or at the very least not team stack and do that at the same time? It is a long shot, I know, but sometimes asking nicely can work, right?

[Flitgun]

I do think though, if I am to put myself in others' shoes... that a contributing factor to all this is that this particular sport (of Il2) is a game of left footers versus right footers and that there is a larger pool of right footed players globally. It is therefore quite an effort when a game is in progress and the excess right footers come pouring on to the pitch, for those right footers, at a moments notice to play for the left footed team. It is a game unique to most others in that players train (for months and years) to play for one side and are handicapped when they suddenly have to play for the other.

 

It would be a lovely dream though, if more would train to play left footed, despite being predominantly right footed. 

[BraveSirRobin]

We fly them in the early war when we have an advantage, and we do it at the end of the war in our G-6 against LA-7 and mustangs.

 

 

BoS doesn't have Mustangs or the LA-7.  So the fact that you're flying the G6 against those aircraft is completely irrelevant to the problem in this game.  In this game we consistently see the sides stacked in favor of the F4 and 190.  There is no situation where the only-German crowd are facing superior aircraft.

[=IL2AU=chappyj]

you bought the game, do what you want within the rules of the game, and the server. pretty simple. 

the lamest thing is when people try to enforce what they think is the 'right thing' on others through abuse, swearing and general attempts at shaming people. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

For boomber missions to be worth playing ballance is more important.

[Turban]

I used to think team balance was a huge deal. I really did.

 

Then I started flying blue...and discovered the german team is usually far less efficient than the red team. We all know the cause... Fighters wandering around at 7k boom and zooming once in a while,trying to shoot stuff down, including their own. Not covering objectives, not covering bombers.

 

At the end of the day we can't ignore the fact that the LW team gets rekt even when numbers are in its favor...

 

My advise is, don't waste your energy worrying about it like I did, fly what you want and enjoy what you can...

Edited May 16, 2017 by Turban

[Boaty-McBoatface]

you bought the game, do what you want within the rules of the game, and the server. pretty simple.

the lamest thing is when people try to enforce what they think is the 'right thing' on others through abuse, swearing and general attempts at shaming people.

The only abuse in question here is the abuse of bad sportsmanship from elitist 109 jockeys looking down their noses at anything else in disdain and with blatant disregard for the overall server gameplay. When the rest of us get fed up and all go over and fly bloody bf109s day in day out then you'll see how fun it becomes. It's simply not fair when a decent proportion of flyers hardly ever get to fly blue because of the zealous fanboys who look down superciliously from their pedestals thinking they are all Gunther Rall reincarnations.

 

It's an unfortunate business but this is why there needs to be a team balance function of some kind- to put the superiority complexes and big egos in their places.

Edited May 16, 2017 by B0SS