Mig 3 and La 5 in cross winds

[senseispcc]

I have had enough!

Do not say it is normal.

The Mig 3 when ones try to take off at full to 67% fuel charge and wind at force 6 to 8 with any crosswind higher than one (1) is, nearly, impossible to successfully take off.

I tried with little rudder correction or no ruder corrections only trim ones.

I tried full power at once, little by little augmenting the power until the speed is +- 200 km/h with the same results.

I never applied reverse rudder and still the aircraft did finish on is right wing making ground loops ending with a beautiful bend propeller. If by miracle my plane finds a straight direction to take off and does not end in a ground obstacle all is fine but the airstrip is long forgotten.

Ground loops the speciality of the Mig 3 and the La 5 (I could say for all Soviet planes) I think that the wind is the most dangerous enemy of this side of the game.

How can one explain that the axis planes do not have those problems?! And that lighter planes are more easy or heavier planes with a less powerful engine do not have this problem?! (IL2 vs Mig 3 and La 5)

 

I do not speak here of the landing with the same planes (Mig 3 and La 5) where landing on the landing strip is a sort of miracle and ground loops at landing a fair attraction.

 

One more remark is that when I put the traverse wind to 0 (zero) this phenomenon disappear suddenly? Strange, is it not? 

 

The Yak 1b is really the Luftwaffe equivalent in the red side, no take off or landing problems in any Wind conditions.

Edited May 12, 2017 by senseispcc

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've never really had any problems taking off in the MiG-3 or the La-5.

 

Got a track or a video we can watch?

[Jack59]

Have you tried aileron into the wind direction during takeoff? I don't have much experience with the Mig-3, but the need to apply aileron into the wind would actually be an indication of accurate flight physics. Try somewhat heavy aileron into the wind, and ease it off as you increase speed. You'll need to also use the rudder to offset the tendency of the aircraft to turn in the direction of the aileron movement, as well as the usual engine torque, etc.

 

On landing, try forward slipping by using aileron to dip the upwind wing into the wind, and use the rudder to keep you on track to the runway.

 

Please forgive me if I'm telling you stuff you already know....

Edited May 12, 2017 by Jack59

[216th_Jordan]

Never take off in boosted mode. Try to pull the stick back to your stomach until you reached about 120-130 kph, then let the tail slowly come up. Remove any noisefilter.

 

I can take off in a La-5 and Mig-3 with up to 12m/s crosswind with a careful approach/takeoff roll.

[Danziger]

I've found the easiest way is to keep the mouse pointed just above the nose until takeoff.

[andyw248]

We had a lengthy discussion on take off power settings in the MiG-3 recently: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25774-mig-3-tailwheel-and-takeoff-2004/. Some of the posts there may shed more light on this.

 

Also, do you calculate a crosswind component of 1m/s from a total wind speed of 6m/s by triangulation? A crosswind component of 1 to 2m/s is not very high, it's actually pretty common when flying quick missions.

[Quax]

 

 

You can crab it down to the flare. During the roundout align it with the rudder and put the upwind wing down.

[Quax]

 

I do not speak here of the landing with the same planes (Mig 3 and La 5) where landing on the landing strip is a sort of miracle and ground loops at landing a fair attraction.

 

It is not easy to land a  taildragger in a strong crosswind. If it were, the sim would be simplified. But there is no ground loop without a pilots mistake and the runways are long enough for bombers.

 

If they are not long enough for your fighters, I would guess another pilots mistake might be the reason     Touch down three point at the beginning of the runway, and you come to the stop before the half of it.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Quax

[Guest deleted@50488]

Piece of cake, with either, on takeoff and landing.

 

Just make sure you use aileron into the wind on takeoff run, and counter turning tendencies with rudder, and keep the stick back while gaining speed during the takeoff run.

 

For landing you can chose to come down in a sideslip or in a forward slip and uncrab just before touchdown... 

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Sorry OP but as others have stated it's not hard (especially take-off) and strong crosswinds at 9ms are not much different.

 

Has to be something wrong with your rudder settings/curves or operation. Given we can't feel the fuselage swinging for real, it seems to be very common for people to overcompensate on the rudder. Not trying to be patronizing here.

 

I also can not even imagine the slightest trouble either taking off or landing in an La5. Must be something with your rudder.

Edited May 13, 2017 by B0SS