Number of Ju52 owners/pilots?

[SYN_Skydance]

I own all the planes in BoX but rarely flying anything other than the PE-2 or P-40.

 

Maybe the devs didn't sell as many transport planes as they sold fighters but what would this sim be with nothing but fighters. I would imagine it would soon get boring. I bet some people wouldn't follow this game if it was just a fighter air quake. Adding bombers and transport planes adds so much more diversity.

 

Obviously the devs have to prioritise what aircraft need to be built next but I think adding either a C-47 or Li-2 is a great idea for, dare I say it, "balance". Maybe we would have more mission written that include transport planes if each side could have equal objectives, in similar aircraft.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Happiness is having Screws fitting your Spanner. And not having to do a lot of Math while Screwing Stuff. Of the Top of your Head, what's bigger, 3/8" or 5/16"? 11/16" or 3/4?

Well, 13 is bigger than 10 is bigger than 8 but smaller than 15. 

 

Edited May 16, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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Maybe we would have more mission written that include transport planes if each side could have equal objectives, in similar aircraft.

 

I think this is a major barrier-to-entry for transport planes in MP.

 

The missions aren't being written because there is no alternative for the VVS guys.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Instead of just 1:1 giving each side a Land-Transport, why not give the Russians a Lend Lease Amphibuous PBY Catalina? It's a Tansport/Bomber/Liason/U-Boot Hunter and just over-all a Cool Aircraft. And it has much more useful Defensive Armament and Bombload as well as Cargo Capacity. 

 

Edited May 16, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Maybe we would have more mission written that include transport planes if each side could have equal objectives, in similar aircraft.

In the eyes of the current mission builders (who are limited to symmetrical balance exclusively) yes though it could do well in an asymmetrical scenario like the Stalingrad airlift (we attempted such a mission for coop and it was a lot of fun).

 

Instead of looking for excuses not to integrate the 52 into MP properly people should accept symmetrical balance isn't all that matters and try sth new with what we have.

[Danziger]

Instead of just 1:1 giving each side a Land-Transport, why not give the Russians a Lend Lease Amphibuous PBY Catalina? It's a Tansport/Bomber/Liason/U-Boot Hunter and just over-all a Cool Aircraft. And it has much more useful Defensive Armament and Bombload as well as Cargo Capacity.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCiXVRrzUs

Also just as useful for Pacific.

[Gambit21]

Instead of just 1:1 giving each side a Land-Transport, why not give the Russians a Lend Lease Amphibuous PBY Catalina? It's a Tansport/Bomber/Liason/U-Boot Hunter and just over-all a Cool Aircraft. And it has much more useful Defensive Armament and Bombload as well as Cargo Capacity. 

 

 

I have no inside knowledge on the matter...but if I had a gun to my head and I had to place my life savings on whether we're going to see the Cat or not...I'd place it on "YES" since it was such

an integral part of the Midway events. I mean a HUGE part.

Then I'd turn around and take out the jerk who had the gun to my head.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Maybe the devs didn't sell as many transport planes as they sold fighters but what would this sim be with nothing but fighters. I would imagine it would soon get boring. I bet some people wouldn't follow this game if it was just a fighter air quake. Adding bombers and transport planes adds so much more diversity.

^This. While surely not the most profitable product, having these types of planes improves the quality of the sim.

 

In the eyes of the current mission builders (who are limited to symmetrical balance exclusively) yes though it could do well in an asymmetrical scenario like the Stalingrad airlift (we attempted such a mission for coop and it was a lot of fun).

 

Instead of looking for excuses not to integrate the 52 into MP properly people should accept symmetrical balance isn't all that matters and try sth new with what we have.

 

I don't know how the Li-2 and Ju 52 compare cargo wise, but at least the Li-2 could serve as bomber to compensate if it had less cargo capacity, and if we are going to be a bit more historically strict, it would be the only one with paratroop missions in the Eastern Front I guess?

Edited May 17, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[ShamrockOneFive]

Instead of just 1:1 giving each side a Land-Transport, why not give the Russians a Lend Lease Amphibuous PBY Catalina? It's a Tansport/Bomber/Liason/U-Boot Hunter and just over-all a Cool Aircraft. And it has much more useful Defensive Armament and Bombload as well as Cargo Capacity. 

 

 

Also just as useful for Pacific.

 

Good thinking you two. The PBY would make an interesting addition to the series with a lot of different roles and it was even used as a light bomber meaning that its less of a non-combat aircraft and definitely more of a combat type albeit with more of a role as scout. Very useful at Midway.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The Catalina is so beautiful I'm gonna call it honorably Metric. I'm not gonna hold the Weird Fractions and Spanner Sizes against it. 

[Feathered_IV]

The Catalina is great.  I would rate it 32 out of 32.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I'm setting my bets on the Catalina for Midway since it's ideally suited for the scenario and would bring sth new to the table. It is also less likely to come with later expansions such as Okinawa given there is a variety of bomber types to fill their gaps (B-25, B-26, A-20, ect).

 

It would also even the odds better given the Japanese had no medium bomber during the battle.

[Feathered_IV]

Flying search and rescue in MP would be interesting with past fights leaving behind S&R markers...

 

But that would require gameplay I suppose.

[Lusekofte]

The Catalina is great.  I would rate it 32 out of 32.

 

 

32 ??? why 32? but full pot I do agree on. I never really believed we had a opportunity to ask for one just yet. But I would not ask for  a LI 2 if we get a catalina. It is just so cool. I remember it flying in Norway putting out forrest fires. Beautiful plane, I think all the world can relate to the catalina 

Edited May 17, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Luftschiff]

Oh please, please let there be a Catalina in our future. 

[Feathered_IV]

I reckon there is a very good chance.  After implementing that fancy water technology and wave behaviour its almost certain they would want to add at least one seaplane to show it off.  Nothing is more versatile or ubiquitous as the Catalina, so that's probably what it will be. 

 

Hopefully it would be as part of the main package, and not a collectors plane - Rather like hiding the veg in in a fussy child's meal to ensure they eat it.  If it is a separate release, it will become prey to some of the more toxic members of the community.  Such as we have seen here recently with the Ju-52.

[Lusekofte]

My highest wish for any CFS is the depth charges ? Is this correct English name for it. Imagine those properly coded and working in this sim. I would do nothing else than fly Catalina in hunt for Submarines.

 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Jason said he wants to implement submarines as part of the pacific campaing so having depth charges might not be so far fetched. The problem is sonar / radar which is likely difficult to implement but essential for submarine hunting missions.

 

Even without charges the Caty could act as a bomber, torpedo plane, recce and medevac in Midway which is still amazing.

[Yogiflight]

I think most aircraft attacks on submarines in 2.WW was attacks on subs, sighted at the surface and then bombed, when diving away, so this would be not a problem.

[kitsunelegend]

To be fully honest, if we get both the Cat and the C-47 for the Pacific, my life will be set in gold. I love both planes, and if they both end up being premium aircraft, I'll for SURE buy both, but the C-47 has a special place in my heart. She'll ALWAYS be my number one.

[Danziger]

I would definitely buy both as Collector Planes.

[Cpt_Cool]

12 base system of units like Empirical has undeniable benefits. If only we evolved with 12 fingers and toes, our number system would have developed with 2 extra digits before repeating, and all would use inches. 

[InProgress]

The biggest problem is lack of support for ju52 in multi, especially popular servers like wings of liberty. To be honest I kind of feel like it was wasted 20$, flying transport mission or dropping paratroopers in meh single player is not that fun and there are no mission for it in multi, maybe after they add carrier mode it will be more fun.

 

Also I don't get why multiplayer must be 1:1.. destroy X objects and protect X, everyone is attacking and defending. I remember some missions in CloD where one team were suppose to escort transport ships and other destroy them. In bos both team would attack and defend at the same time :/ I dislike it. Just because russians don't have transporter does not mean we can't get mission for it. It could work as capturing airfields instead of landing there (paratroopers), landing with cargo to add more spawns, maybe med evac missions where you must take X people and russian must prevent it by destroying you.I mean something like that, lets forget that there are other objectives,germans must evacuate people and russian destroy ju52 with them, if you menage to transport 51% of them you win if not you lose. It does not have to be same objective for both sides. Wish there were missions like that, where one team is suppose to attack only and maybe protect tanks that are advancing and not having same amount of tanks, factories etc to defend and destroy.

 

Also missions like: one team takes bombers and must do big air raid at Stalingrad, they have some fighters as cover and russians with only fighters must protect city. Mission for 30min maybe with probably just 1 spawn but would be nice experience.

Edited May 17, 2017 by InProgress

[CanadaOne]

Perhaps this is neither here nor there, but if the devs are looking for some cash, I'd buy the IL2-38 from BOK for a few bucks. I won't be buying BOK until I upgrade my CPU/MB/RAM, but I would buy that plane just about right now.

 

It's already out, so... why not sell it to me.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Bought it together with the Spitfire :-)

[CanadaOne]

Bought it together with the Spitfire :-)

 

I'm trying to upgrade and I can't drop $90Cdn on BOK right now. I can drop 10 or 15 for the IL2-38 though. 10 is good   and I wouldn't expect a rebate on the full price of BOK when I do buy it.

 

Any idea if the Spitfire will be for sale soon as a collector plane or is it just with BOK?

[Swing]

The Ju52 is just superb... ... and it's a real pleasure to fly it ... no hesitation, you can buy it...  

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'm trying to upgrade and I can't drop $90Cdn on BOK right now. I can drop 10 or 15 for the IL2-38 though. 10 is good   and I wouldn't expect a rebate on the full price of BOK when I do buy it.

 

Any idea if the Spitfire will be for sale soon as a collector plane or is it just with BOK?

 

Spitfire and Hs129 will be collector planes and probably won't be available until BOK's release or after.

[Nil]

I have it of course... bought a total of 3! 

I love to fly them! it is an exciting challenge to trick the russians pilot.

Fortunately, we can fly them in FNBF, Tx Tip is a very skilled mission creator and motivator!

 

I do not fly it nowadays as i fly light planes and gliders in real life.

 

By the way Jason was not talking about Ju52 sales, but overall sales. so we have some probability to get the Li2 or C47 (I would prefer the c47 because we can use it on PTO and eastern front) 

Edited May 18, 2017 by 1./TG1_Nil

[DD_Arthur]

Oh please, please let there be a Catalina in our future. 

 

   

[Gambit21]

I've re-uploaded my mission pack with the fix for the 2.010 crash bug in the first mission.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28858-single-player-ju-52-missions-gambit-21/

Edited May 18, 2017 by Gambit21

[InProgress]

I just played most epic map in multi.

Encircled Stalingrad and army trying to breach! It has TAAANKS AND JU52! Wings of liberty server, probably many people knows this map but I was there first time. Finally map without same objectives for both sides. You had many ways to win, everyone could play part in this battle, tanks were capturing objectives to breach russian line, then from other side russians were pushing their tanks into Stalingrad, ju52 flying into Stalingrad with supplies to let encircled units resupply and beat enemy. It was just epic, everyone had his mission, not 1:1 boredom.

That was best multiplayer experience ever (panzer 3 sucks against t34 -_- why don't we have panzer 4?)

[ilmavoimat]

Bought the Tante Ju on pre-order and I love it! Had some good flights on WoL with it especially when there are two or three others in formation. I would definitely pay for a C-47/Li-2 (and a Ju290 if you really want to push the boat out!!)

[Monostripezebra]

I think that would make a lot of sense: You got an atractive plane for the pacific and the transport disparity situation at the eastern front all solved in one go... plus: Who would not want one of those, with both historical and gameplay fitting roles of transport, recce, bomber?

 

 

Instead of just 1:1 giving each side a Land-Transport, why not give the Russians a Lend Lease Amphibuous PBY Catalina? It's a Tansport/Bomber/Liason/U-Boot Hunter and just over-all a Cool Aircraft. And it has much more useful Defensive Armament and Bombload as well as Cargo Capacity. 

 

Edited May 20, 2017 by Monostripezebra

[Yogiflight]

On the other hand, when we get the C47, the discussuion will start, 'what about a japanese transport plane for transport disparity situation in the pacific?'

[InProgress]

Bought the Tante Ju on pre-order and I love it! Had some good flights on WoL with it especially when there are two or three others in formation. I would definitely pay for a C-47/Li-2 (and a Ju290 if you really want to push the boat out!!)

I think we were flying together, your nick looks similar :]

 

On the other hand, when we get the C47, the discussuion will start, 'what about a japanese transport plane for transport disparity situation in the pacific?'

Then give japanese land lease ju52 xD Edited May 20, 2017 by InProgress

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm trying to upgrade and I can't drop $90Cdn on BOK right now. I can drop 10 or 15 for the IL2-38 though. 10 is good   and I wouldn't expect a rebate on the full price of BOK when I do buy it.

 

Any idea if the Spitfire will be for sale soon as a collector plane or is it just with BOK?

 

Its possible and maybe even likely that we'll see it in the next patch. Based on what Jason told us... us likely to drop sometime in June.

 

Spitfire and Hs129 will be collector planes and probably won't be available until BOK's release or after.

 

This is incorrect. Jason gave us a pretty good rough estimate of what aircraft would be finished and when it would be finished. Their schedule wasn't set based on normal versus Collector Plane status so its all in the queue according to however they have set their project resources.

 

The Hs129B-2 is due in November along with the A-20B and P-39L.

 

When Jason gave us the outline I recorded it and made it available here: https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2016/12/07/battle-of-kuban-what-content-is-coming-and-when/

[Monostripezebra]

On the other hand, when we get the C47, the discussuion will start, 'what about a japanese transport plane for transport disparity situation in the pacific?'

 

obvious answer is obvious...

 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Its possible and maybe even likely that we'll see it in the next patch. Based on what Jason told us... us likely to drop sometime in June.

 

 

This is incorrect. Jason gave us a pretty good rough estimate of what aircraft would be finished and when it would be finished. Their schedule wasn't set based on normal versus Collector Plane status so its all in the queue according to however they have set their project resources.

 

The Hs129B-2 is due in November along with the A-20B and P-39L.

 

When Jason gave us the outline I recorded it and made it available here: https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2016/12/07/battle-of-kuban-what-content-is-coming-and-when/

 

Hey Shamrock,

 

I'm just referring to the timeline in which the collectors aircraft can be purchased separate of the EA pre-order.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Hey Shamrock,

 

I'm just referring to the timeline in which the collectors aircraft can be purchased separate of the EA pre-order.

 

Oh! Completely understand now Cheers!