Number of Ju52 owners/pilots?

[Warpig]

Reading through this thread makes me think about deleting BoX from the hardrive and play something else.

Why would you let one person influence your entertainment?

[L3Pl4K]

Is in the garage

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Why do I sometimes feel as if some People just have a vivid Hatred of everything that isn't a fighter? Why do they look at Ground Pounders and Objective Players with disgust? How dare we not care for Personal Glory?

It's as if we burst into their comfortable little Dogfight/Duel Mentality Bubble and clatter it with our Slow, Boring heaps of Scrap with OP Gunners because they are too lazy to properly Out-Turn you on the Deck. 

 

How dare People enjoy anything other than Fighters?

Edited May 12, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[sinned]

We already did. They already replied. As long as things continue to improve, I'm sure we will see more transport planes and even recon and float planes

Recon planes sound good. More bombers yeah.

 

Another flayble transport after ju52? Meh Ju52 mission downloaded 107 times is just sad.

 

One guy from another thread hopes for a free flyable plane "for a good gesture" from dev.

 

Here ppl ask for another product that dont sell. Thats not in the interest of devs.

 

If you want free stuff, go visit your neaest salvation army. Not here.

[SYN_Haashashin]

snip....

I would encourage you to think before posting such an offensive post to some. My cousin is a very nice person whom actually has down syndrome and he loves to fly with my sims. Next time you will have time to think about it since I will apply the rules.

 

7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban.

 

For the rest of you, please wacth your lenguage.

 

Haash

[DeafBee]

I am a proud owner too of the Ju-52. Fun plane to fly. 

 

I preordered is as soon as it was available.       

[sinned]

Haashasin,

 

I apolgize sincerely to those who may have been affected by my paticular analogy. Word choice was incosiderate and inapproperiate. My intention was not to berate beloved ones who could be close friends, family, cohesive members of communities and even for many, their existence alone bring them joy and meaning of life.

 

I take this as an opportunity to remind myself that our actions and respect to those with challenges are mirrors of our own reflections and that they teach us humility and love.

 

My apologies.

 

 

That said, I will mull over how I can describe better should some of the above vile and worthless living organisms that somehow learned to type and ask for products with questionable sales.

[Feathered_IV]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by sinned. View it anyway?

 

That said, I will mull over how I can describe better should some of the above vile and worthless living organisms that somehow learned to type and ask for products with questionable sales.

 

[Edited]

Edited May 16, 2017 by Bearcat
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[sinned]

[Edited]
Unlike you, I will read and heed by above forum rule #7. I remain civilized and will not call you back deranged.

Edited May 16, 2017 by Bearcat
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[Luftschiff]

Feathered, since you chose the convinient ignore function, be a man and stick to your decision.

I am tempted to return you the lexicon "deranged" to descibe such a finkle-minded action holder who put someone on ignore, only to take back the follwong day.

 

Unlike you, I will read and heed by above forum rule #7. I remain civilized and will not call you back deranged.

 

Ah, that most civil phrase  "vile and worthless living organism". We have heard you make your argument, thank your for your patronage, no need to keep repeating it.

Edited May 15, 2017 by Luftschiff

[kitsunelegend]

I suggest everyone stop responding to this "sinned" person, and just completely ignore him. I made this thread to get an idea on how many people enjoy/fly and/or bought the Ju52. Not to be some crazy loony's personal rant thread.

 

Please don't get this thread locked. If he ain't going to say anything nice, then pretend he doesn't exist. Its that simple.

[xThrottle_Geek]

I bought the JU-52. Cool aircraft.

[sinned]

No, your intention was not just simply "to get an idea on how many enjoy/fly JU52".

 

Please go read your own opening first sentence from first paragraph.

 

"Just trying to get a rough idea on how likely the C-47 or the Russian version of said aircraft are for being put into the game".

 

That was your intention, motif and primary objective. Get enough voices from skewed sample base to convey to dev of another flyable transport for vvs.

 

Why skewed sample base? Anyone who doesnt own JU52 most likely would NOT participate in this thread. Would they? I would have also joined your little scheme if it was purely for convincing ppl that JU52 is worth the buy. Your intention is more evil than that. You are looking for a sequel by stirring up JU52 gang.

 

Hence gather up maybe 20 ppl max?who bot JU52 and start a demanding mob.

 

Nice try.

I bought the JU-52. Cool aircraft.

It is a good plane. Worth every dollar.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I must admit that I would like a Po-2 over a Li-2/C-47/PS-84. 

 

The Cool thing about these Slow Aircraft is that you only need to Create them Once. You don't need 10 Versions of 109, 17 Fw190 Versions, 100 Different Series of LaGG-3, Pe-2, La-5 etc. 

 

You create the most Prolific Version of any of these, maybe FM Fix it once and it's done. 

[Fern]

Developers should focus on a more CENTRALIZED OFFICIAL SERVER like in the US East NEW YORK with stats that will draw more people to play this game and buy airplanes like the JU-52...Get us all out of WoL......

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The Cool thing about these Slow Aircraft is that you only need to Create them Once. You don't need 10 Versions of 109, 17 Fw190 Versions, 100 Different Series of LaGG-3, Pe-2, La-5 etc.

There have also been multiple versions of the Ju 52 / Li-2 but it seems obvious that creating variants for such a special aircraft wouldn't make a lot of sense especially since they diferr in details only (exception being the Ju 52 g5e and g6e variants with the ability to equip floats).

 

A benefit of the Li-2 is that it was also used as a frontline bomber making it more versatile than it's german pedant.

Developers should focus on a more CENTRALIZED OFFICIAL SERVER like in the US East NEW YORK with stats that will draw more people to play this game and buy airplanes like the JU-52...Get us all out of WoL......

Although completely off topic, there are no official game servers hosted by developers. The only way you'll see more US based servers is by getting the comunity involved to host it's own.

[kitsunelegend]

There have also been multiple versions of the Ju 52 / Li-2 but it seems obvious that creating variants for such a special aircraft wouldn't make a lot of sense especially since they diferr in details only (exception being the Ju 52 g5e and g6e variants with the ability to equip floats).

 

A benefit of the Li-2 is that it was also used as a frontline bomber making it more versatile than it's german pedant.

Although completely off topic, there are no official game servers hosted by developers. The only way you'll see more US based servers is by getting the comunity involved to host it's own.

 

Iirc, the Li-2 also had the ability to mount a dorsal turret as well, much like the Douglas B-18 Bolo. =P

 

Which to be honest, I would not mind seeing at some point either lol Its such a derpy looking aircraft but it has a certain charm to it xD

 

I would still be happy with the Li-2 only, as long as the devs add some C-47 skins to it, with the ability to remove the bombs and turret completely, much like the Ju-52 can remove it's turret as well. Would basically save them work on modeling a whole new aircraft, at least right away.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Iirc, the Li-2 also had the ability to mount a dorsal turret as well, much like the Douglas B-18 Bolo. =P

 

Which to be honest, I would not mind seeing at some point either lol Its such a derpy looking aircraft but it has a certain charm to it xD

 

I would still be happy with the Li-2 only, as long as the devs add some C-47 skins to it, with the ability to remove the bombs and turret completely, much like the Ju-52 can remove it's turret as well. Would basically save them work on modeling a whole new aircraft, at least right away.

The Li-2 isn't a C-47. You can't just make one from the other or Mix and Match Parts. The Li-2 is a much better Aircraft in many Ways, but mainly one: 

 

It is Metric. 

 

The Bolts, Screws, Nuts, Aesthetics, Panels, Dimensions, Weights, Engines, Gauges are all Metric. Do you expect the Devs to go through the trouble of Creating two Complex Aircraft People don't even know have nothing in common?

Being Metric means the Li-2 is a much Better Aircraft as well of course, because Imperial Units just suck. It's like Manual vs. Automatic, one is for Men, the other for Imbeciles. 

 

So could we please stop talking about them as if they were even vaguely similar? Please show some Respect. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[WIS-Redcoat]

The Li-2 isn't a C-47. You can't just make one from the other or Mix and Match Parts. The Li-2 is a much better Aircraft in many Ways, but mainly one: 

 

It is Metric. 

 

The Bolts, Screws, Nuts, Aesthetics, Panels, Dimensions, Weights, Engines, Gauges are all Metric. Do you expect the Devs to go through the trouble of Creating two Complex Aircraft People don't even know have nothing in common?

Being Metric means the Li-2 is a much Better Aircraft as well of course, because Imperial Units just suck. It's like Manual vs. Automatic, one is for Men, the other for Imbeciles. 

 

So could we please stop talking about them as if they were even vaguely similar? Please show some Respect. 

 

There are only two types of countries in the world.  Those who use the Metric system, and those that have landed on the moon.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

There are only two types of countries in the world.  Those who use the Metric system, and those that have landed on the moon.

And all the Parts, Screws, Nuts and Bolts on it were? You guesses it, Metric. NASA is Metric, Boeing is Metric, because Metric is the Superior System. 

And didn't you loose a Mars Orbiter because your Guys couldn't convert Metric and Imperial Units properly?

 

Even more funny: Since Airbusses are properly Normed and Built you can take Body Panels from one and put them on another without Problem. 

On a Boeing you can't. At Boeing some guy just Drills Holes "Pi mal Daumen" (literally π * Thumb) and Pops em Rivets by Hand and thus many Structural Parts can't be interchanged at all. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[LukeFF]

Well this thread has gone downhill really fast...

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Well this thread has gone downhill really fast...

 

This thread was in the shitter three pages ago, bud. 

[Danziger]

The Li-2 isn't a C-47. You can't just make one from the other or Mix and Match Parts. The Li-2 is a much better Aircraft in many Ways, but mainly one:

 

It is Metric.

 

The Bolts, Screws, Nuts, Aesthetics, Panels, Dimensions, Weights, Engines, Gauges are all Metric. Do you expect the Devs to go through the trouble of Creating two Complex Aircraft People don't even know have nothing in common?

Being Metric means the Li-2 is a much Better Aircraft as well of course, because Imperial Units just suck. It's like Manual vs. Automatic, one is for Men, the other for Imbeciles.

 

So could we please stop talking about them as if they were even vaguely similar? Please show some Respect.

Idk man. They look pretty close. I imagine an Li-2 painted in C-47 skin could easily pass. Since it will only be pixels on a screen, we don't really have to worry about whether it's metric or not.

[kitsunelegend]

The Li-2 isn't a C-47. You can't just make one from the other or Mix and Match Parts. The Li-2 is a much better Aircraft in many Ways, but mainly one: 

 

It is Metric. 

 

The Bolts, Screws, Nuts, Aesthetics, Panels, Dimensions, Weights, Engines, Gauges are all Metric. Do you expect the Devs to go through the trouble of Creating two Complex Aircraft People don't even know have nothing in common?

Being Metric means the Li-2 is a much Better Aircraft as well of course, because Imperial Units just suck. It's like Manual vs. Automatic, one is for Men, the other for Imbeciles. 

 

So could we please stop talking about them as if they were even vaguely similar? Please show some Respect. 

 

*triggered*

 

 

 

There are only two types of countries in the world.  Those who use the Metric system, and those that have landed on the moon.

 

Lol, this man gets it xD

 

To be honest though, the Li-2 used plans from the C-47, even including a copy of an American inspired Russian built engine (according to the wiki anyway), the only difference being it was all changed to metric. Everything else was mostly the same in terms of functionality. All the Li-2 is, is just a Russian built version of the C-47. It'd be like the Russians giving the American's the plans to build and produce the Yak-3 or IL-2, and the Americans switching the measurements to imperial. Still the same plan by design, just built using different measurements. Its just easier for their respective engineers to understand, build, and create.

 

On the other hand, the US DID give the Russians actual C-47s in the lend lease program, so maybe it'd be better to use that instead? At least that way, you'd get the actual C-47 that can be used even in the Pacific, but just needed different skins, much like the P-40 has already in game. (which has two different US skins iirc)

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

To be honest though, the Li-2 used plans from the C-47, even including a copy of an American inspired Russian built engine (according to the wiki anyway), the only difference being it was all changed to metric.

They bought the license to produce the type in Russia which gave them the ability to adopt changes to the design (like cyrillic instrumentation and incoorperating locally availabel spare parts). Most early radial engines were based on license produced Pratt&Whitney designs, be it the M62 or the BMW132 for instance (later one was the early forerunner of the BMW801). The same way the Allison was related to the Hispano Suiza V-12.

 

That is nothing uncommon in engineering. Infact improvement of existing design contributes a significant part to our engineering world. Nobody needs to reinvent the wheel.

 

On the other hand, the US DID give the Russians actual C-47s in the lend lease program, so maybe it'd be better to use that instead? At least that way, you'd get the actual C-47 that can be used even in the Pacific, but just needed different skins, much like the P-40 has already in game. (which has two different US skins iirc)

If they really went as far as creating the Li-2 / C-47 I'm sure they'd both get their respective engines. The devs proved a number of times they have a high bar for product quality and with the 3d model and simulation for the Shvetsov M62 already availabel I would expect the conversion to be less time consuming.

Edited May 15, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[XQ_Lothar29]

i love all transpor and reconnaissance aircraft 

[Danziger]

Seriously? Doesn't it drive you mad knowing that Aircraft in Front of you uses 5/16" instead of M8? I mean, if I a Girl told you "I was born a Man" I'm sure you would loose your Hard-On rather quickly, or do you mean to say it's just another hole?

And I just instantly Respect Metrically Built Designs more. I would probably never shoot down a Li-2, but a C-47 all day.

It doesn't bother me. Most Americans have two sets of tools. There are some things that have mixed metric and standard parts.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

[SCG_Slater]

Got it to support the team, but boy is that sucker difficult to control on the ground :D

 

I'm very good and making donut marks in the snow, I would say I'm almost perfecting it to a fine art 

Edited May 15, 2017 by Slater

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

That'd just make me even harder. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

Somebody get this guy a medal.

[Lusekofte]

Thanks for comment, but my criticism is not towards JU52 nor the dev who created the product, but towards downsyndrome sufferers asking for obsolete products from sales perspective and turn blind eye to evitable mislead they gave to dev in the past. Look here. Another transport request?

 

Is this suppose to be offencive?

One of my kids got the little extra making her what you call down syndrome. Can you tell me what she has done to become a part of your idiotic conclusion?  What bring her among the in your point of view stupid people. Have you ever met people with Down Syndrome? Where is the 

 

sufferers

To your information, I have never met anyone suffering from Down Syndrome, and I have met a lot.

I defend everybodys right to request anything they want and without having to buy 1000 of it. In my point of view I cannot understand why people bother to fly fighters, I just have to conclude that many like to do so. And by your standards I should have to deem them stupid. Witch is ridiculous  

Edited May 15, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Guest deleted@30725]

This should have been a poll - Owner here, but I'm sure you can find topics where I ranted against it or was indifferent till I bought it and   changed my mind.

 

Pretty easy to fly once you get the hang of it. Just like flying a truck, slow to fly and respond, but something magical especially when you start doing night ops where it feels 'right'.

Edited May 15, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Missionbug]

I suggest everyone stop responding to this "sinned" person, and just completely ignore him. I made this thread to get an idea on how many people enjoy/fly and/or bought the Ju52. Not to be some crazy loony's personal rant thread.

 

Please don't get this thread locked. If he ain't going to say anything nice, then pretend he doesn't exist. Its that simple.

 

 

There should be no need for anyone to ignore that particular individual, he should have been banned from the forum by now due to the insulting and very unnecessary and extreme language he continues to use.  Having a argument or a opinion should not go as far as to be so abusive in the way that individual has been to other members.

 

 

Anyway, on to the point of the thread, I bought the Ju-52 as soon as it was available and have no regrets whatsoever as it brings something very unique to a combat flight simulator that is normally not included other than as AI, every credit to the development team for this superb addition and having taken the risks that surely went with such a project.

 

Any game should always try and include new experiences where possible for its users, some projects will never be entirely profitable in their own right but can add something unique to the overall game play environment, they cannot be judged purely on just how many were sold as a individual entity as they add to the overall immersion and playability of the full product and allow everyone to partake in different kinds of mission to what would be considered the norm.

 

I for one would like to see the Li-2/C-47 also become part of that larger expanding game environment but if not then surely it would be possible to make the Ju-52 also available to the Russian plane set with a Russian default skin if flown for that side as there were certainly Ju-52 aircraft used by Russia during the late thirties even if only few in number.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited May 16, 2017 by Missionbug

[A_radek]

I bought two and gifted one. Have yet to test it.

 

The price of a ju52 is what a McDonald's meal for two costs over here. As I'm fortunate enough in being able to afford and enjoy such fine cuisine dining, I also consider buying a 52 a supportive donation to the dev-team, if nothing else.

[Yogiflight]

I also purchased it as soon as Jason announced it and fly it sometimes. Unfortunately the missions in the stock campaign are always the player flying alone with one or two escort fighters, what makes it quite uninteresting for me. If there were missions with three or four Ju52s, or even more, I would definitely fly her much more. So Gambit's missions were absolutely welcome.

[WIS-Redcoat]

 

And didn't you loose a Mars Orbiter because your Guys couldn't convert Metric and Imperial Units properly?

 

 

 

It is so easy to trigger Europhiles...    they simply cannot handle that we continue to ignore what they deem to imperative.  At least we can all agree that A4 paper is far inferior.

[Warpig]

The Li-2 isn't a C-47. You can't just make one from the other or Mix and Match Parts. The Li-2 is a much better Aircraft in many Ways, but mainly one: 

 

It is Metric. 

 

The Bolts, Screws, Nuts, Aesthetics, Panels, Dimensions, Weights, Engines, Gauges are all Metric. Do you expect the Devs to go through the trouble of Creating two Complex Aircraft People don't even know have nothing in common?

Being Metric means the Li-2 is a much Better Aircraft as well of course, because Imperial Units just suck. It's like Manual vs. Automatic, one is for Men, the other for Imbeciles. 

 

So could we please stop talking about them as if they were even vaguely similar? Please show some Respect. 

Well this is new to me...

 

I never knew that people could hold so much disdain for a measurement system. Maybe I'm in the dark here, but I never thought carrying so much hate for something so marginal in life was worth it.

 

Man... you need to lighten up, life isn't so bad. LMFAO!

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Man... you need to lighten up, life isn't so bad. LMFAO!

 

Depends on how you measure happiness. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Warpig]

Depends on how you measure happiness. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hahaha!

[Gambit21]

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

That is the best thing ever

Edited May 16, 2017 by Gambit21