Number of Ju52 owners/pilots?

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Have it as well, and hate it for the most part. 

But I will still pre-order anything that comes out because I'm happy to support this project and the awesome team behind it. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

But I must say,the harsh tone that appears here in the forum as soon as it comes to Ju 52 really spoils the fun for me.

There's a lot of controversy about this aircraft and many extreme viwes on it (full supporters - total haters) but that doesn't really bother me when flying this superbly simulated and classic aircraft ingame. What really bothers me is the lacking MP integration which has nothing to do with the plane itself but the lack of interest from the mission designers. Infact I've been looking for a Medevac type of mission for a long time yet FNBF has been the only server ever attempting such missions (with good result, it was a ton of fun).

 

As a longtime vocal supporter for the flyable Ju 52 I bought it in the first hours of preorder opening and have not regret a single cent from that so far. If it wasn't for the lack of movement in the comunity and some of people's prejudices against transport aircraft it would reccieve a lot less critique and be flown more actively (I still see them regularily flying on DED often in groups).

Edited May 12, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Feathered_IV]

The only thing that bothers me with the Ju-52 is the incomplete gameplay mechanics for it.  There is no score awarded for a mission flown or for the amount of cargo delivered on target.  It is currently an aircraft for anonymous charity work.

 

Imagine a bomber or fighter in this game that recorded no scores whatsoever for its pilot.  Would that be popular?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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[sinned]

Flyable JU52 is fine. I bot it, flew it.

 

Abomination is those who ask for more transport planes because they claim JU52 is "a plane of sound success" and who try to dismiss any opposing opinion by "you dont know the sales". Well it doesnt take brains to figure out apparent low sales. Compare Ju52 with VR update.

 

Now that it has been confirmed by 777 that more sales is needed, I suggest to those who want more transport that each buy 1000 copies of JU52 and gift them out. Maybe it would then become a sound success to warrant a sequel flyable transport.

No more wasting time on low sales product. Midway is waiting for us.

[Jade_Monkey]

I think its a fun plane due to the functionality, so great job there devs!

 

The Crete invasion video in the video section is fantastic.

 

Also Gambit21 made a bunch of great SP missions.

 

Having said that, i dont know if it has a wide appeal to be worth the investment by the devs.

 

Perhaps a simplified Li-2 for AI only could be a compromise that would give the game a lot of options for missions.

[sinned]

Gambit21 made really great missions. Talents like him and other great sp mission makes are great intangible assets to IL2bos.

 

That said, go take a look at how many downloaded his Ju52 missions.

 

107! Wow! what a great sounding success!

 

Lets ask devs to make more transports flyable and kill this genre!

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

The melancholy is strong with this one.

[sinned]

107... such a pity.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Again, the melancholy is strong with this one.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

I own it but did not download Gambits missions, so there.

[Danziger]

Since the Ju-52 is so successful I think it goes without saying we definitely need the C-47 one day. It can be used in so many different ways just by swapping skins.

[sinned]

Sure. Lets take an optimistic number. Only 1 out of 10 52 owners downloaded gambits missions.

Reasonable?

 

So that makes ~1000 units sold? Usd 20 x 1000 = 20,000 for cost of 3 or 4 devs working time for cumulative 20 working days? Minus rent, tax, utilities, development tool licenses, etc.

 

Great sales. Lets ask devs to make more transports.

 

 

Take 1 out of 50. Makes little difference.

[sinned]

Indeed, C-9 or 47 or whatever will be selling as hot as JU52.

 

Who needs corsairs and zeroes.

[Dutchvdm]

Indeed, C-9 or 47 or whatever will be selling as hot as JU52.

 

Who needs corsairs and zeroes.

 

Please just stop your crusade... Yes you don't like secondary stuff like the Ju-52, and that's fine. But is it really that bad that they created somewhat a niche within the Il-2 franchise? Just be honest, it's not that without the Ju-52 your precious PTO sim would already be here....

 

Grt M 

[Danziger]

Sure. Lets take an optimistic number. Only 1 out of 10 52 owners downloaded gambits missions.

Reasonable?

 

So that makes ~1000 units sold? Usd 20 x 1000 = 20,000 for cost of 3 or 4 devs working time for cumulative 20 working days? Minus rent, tax, utilities, development tool licenses, etc.

 

Great sales. Lets ask devs to make more transports.

 

 

Take 1 out of 50. Makes little difference.

I'm not sure why you keep on with the transport smear campaign. Jason already said he would like to work the Li-2/C-47 into the schedule when they have future time and resources. Kuban is going to sell well and the first Pacific expansion will see a sales explosion. So there are more transports coming sooner or later so you'll probably be a lot happier if you just relax and accept it

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Please just stop your crusade... Yes you don't like secondary stuff like the Ju-52, and that's fine. But is it really that bad that they created somewhat a niche within the Il-2 franchise? Just be honest, it's not that without the Ju-52 your precious PTO sim would already be here....

 

Grt M 

 

I can't recall a single instance, anywhere, at all, ever where anybody implied that the development of new theaters/aircraft should be postponed for the development of "filler" aircraft like the Ju 52 or C-47. The "oh lets postpone zeros and wildcats for stupid boring transport planes *pats self on back*" is an entirely melodramatic strawman and fails entirely to validate whatever point is *trying* to be made.

 

The Ju 52 wasn't such a massive gamble of time or resources that the stake of the franchise depended on it or else Jason and the team wouldn't have chosen to undertake it at all.

 

The war was comprised of much more than boring, mundane and repetitive low-level dogfights or guys dive bombing in He 111's for points. Recon and logistics played a huge role and to neglect fleshing those things out, even in the slightest, leaves us with a sandbox that fails to represent a large part of the war.

 

Again, it's baseless melodrama. Somebody has an ax to grind. Nothing more, nothing less.

[sinned]

Grt M,

 

Thanks for comment, but my criticism is not towards JU52 nor the dev who created the product, but towards downsyndrome sufferers asking for obsolete products from sales perspective and turn blind eye to evitable mislead they gave to dev in the past. Look here. Another transport request?

[sinned]

Love the free interpretation and now changing of stance. Before, ppls are in denial of low sales and now in denial of no one reason why JU52 was developed.

 

Sales.

 

Jason and team has made very clear that they limited time.

 

 

FYABLE ju52 was for representation of "large part of war".

 

 

Oh jesus pls help him.

[Danziger]

Grt M,

 

Thanks for comment, but my criticism is not towards JU52 nor the dev who created the product, but towards downsyndrome sufferers asking for obsolete products from sales perspective and turn blind eye to evitable mislead they gave to dev in the past. Look here. Another transport request?

I can't speak for all of the Ju-52 supporters but, I can confirm that I do not have Down Syndrome. My son has Autism and the Ju-52 is actually his favourite plane in the game Edited May 12, 2017 by BorysVorobyov

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'm going to waste no more time responding to one of the most cognitively dissonant, hard headed members of this community.

 

I'm invoking the ignore function. 

[Feathered_IV]

Me too.  In nearly twenty years of following flight sims I've never seen anyone so deeply butthurt over the inclusion of a key aircraft.

[Danziger]

I've never seen anyone so deeply butthurt over the inclusion of a key aircraft.

This.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

That's what I meant. The problem is not the aircraft or the effort that has been put into it but the extremistic views that lead to great criticism and forum wars that hurt it (and likely sales given that new poeple might read this and feel influrenced).

 

For once, the Ju 52 was half done already as ai and it was a no brainer to bring it to completion. Second, the 52 was a pilot project for marketing exploration similar to the tanks (while tanks were free probably to gain more feedback and have greater appeal). It is normal for companies to take the risk of having low profit or even slight loss in order to expand their product range and eventually discover a new customer group which they can appeal with a new line of products.

 

That's why concluding the 52 was not sucessfull based on hypothetic / made up marketing figures is faulty logic.

 

If anybody has a say on product sucess and future developments it's 1C, not people shouting "But I want it!" or "Don't do this it's stupid!".

Edited May 12, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Gambit21]

The real pay-off for aircraft such as the Ju-52, Storch, Po-2, C-47 etc etc is not immediate gratification in a sales spike.

Rather, the long term broadening of the functionality and appeal of the product to a wider array of users, meaning more sales of the sim in the long term.

Not to mention a more fulfilling experience for everyone involved, even if you're not the one flying said aircraft.

 

It's like painting a picture, one (sometimes arduous) detail at a time, but in the end the whole is more than the sum of it's parts.

The Ju-52's existence in the simulation changes the product into something more than it was, I believe the inclusion of other aircraft

that have a purpose beyond shooting or bombing things is vital, as is including more game mechanics that compliment these planes.

 

Still the Devs have to balance this with the realities of meeting deadlines, paying bills, and continuing to exist.

It's not an easy line to walk I'm sure.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

I think they said as much. In addition to sales I think it was said that even if it sold OK but it was a hanger-queen/novelty plane that would be a strike against it since it wouldn't be "adding to the game" if not many owners actually fly it. They can tell that since you have to be connected to master server it should show them how total player time in each aircraft. 

[kitsunelegend]

I think they said as much. In addition to sales I think it was said that even if it sold OK but it was a hanger-queen/novelty plane that would be a strike against it since it wouldn't be "adding to the game" if not many owners actually fly it. They can tell that since you have to be connected to master server it should show them how total player time in each aircraft. 

 

Well, I personally highly enjoy flying it, and even bought a head tracker unit to fly it in mp, and see how good I am at being shot down. xD

 

Problem is, I can no longer even load into the game, because of some bloody error that no matter what I try, I can't even get past the log in screen....

Edited May 12, 2017 by kitsunelegend

[sinned]

Resolving to ignore function just proves the very point i am making.

Have some courage to admit wrong requests to devs. Clearly lacking by some here.

 

Butthurt is an understatement. Inducing vomit is more fit to these guys behaviors and line of logic.

Hopefully these arent the same folks who asked for free ju52 but never activated.

[WIS-Redcoat]

So much hate over a lovely plane.

[kitsunelegend]

Resolving to ignore function just proves the very point i am making.

Have some courage to admit wrong requests to devs. Clearly lacking by some here.

 

Butthurt is an understatement. Inducing vomit is more fit to these guys behaviors and line of logic.

Hopefully these arent the same folks who asked for free ju52 but never activated.

 

No, the reason we're putting you on ignore is because you're being a giant pile of toxic filth, who doesn't know when his "valuable" input isn't needed, nor wanted.

 

So please go away. This thread wasn't meant to be your personal soapbox to voice whatever personal grievances you have against an obviously well enough liked aircraft that the devs were nice enough to add into the game. If you want to be mister negative nancy and act all butthurt, then please go make your own thread.

Edited May 12, 2017 by kitsunelegend

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I don't think you should ignore People just because of differing Opinions. We can just disagree about these things and then go on about our Business and maybe Discuss. 

I for example never wanted a Fw190 in the Game and would have much preferred a Bf110F for Stalingrad. And although I love the Ju-52 an Il-4 would have pleased me even more. 

 

Jason hasn't given any Concrete Numbers yet, I encourage everyone I know to get it, I will fly it more often once MP Mission Designer give us proper Missions as well, not just that Paradrop Crap. 

I flew Ju-52s exclusively in the Friday Nights as well. It's a great Asset to the Sim in my Opinion. 

[Danziger]

Resolving to ignore function just proves the very point i am making.

Have some courage to admit wrong requests to devs. Clearly lacking by some here.

 

Butthurt is an understatement. Inducing vomit is more fit to these guys behaviors and line of logic.

Hopefully these arent the same folks who asked for free ju52 but never activated.

Don't worry honey, I won't ignore you

 

Even though you contribute nothing apart from trolling, I'll always read what you have to say

[LukeFF]

Resolving to ignore function just proves the very point i am making.

Have some courage to admit wrong requests to devs. Clearly lacking by some here.

 

Butthurt is an understatement. Inducing vomit is more fit to these guys behaviors and line of logic.

Hopefully these arent the same folks who asked for free ju52 but never activated.

When you resort to idiotic statements like "downsyndrome sufferers asking for obsolete products from sales perspective", you've well and truly lost the argument.

[sinned]

Obviously well liked plane = need more sales + free gifts but never activated.

 

Sounds very logical.

 

Also a nice logical way of fleeing from guilt of asking for an obsolete product though.

Then honor me with a better description sir of those who continue to ask dev for obsolete products.

[AndyJWest]

Sinned, all you are achieving here is making yourself look stupid. The developers know how many Ju 52s they have sold, and aren't going to base decisions on any future content on the number of toxic posts you make.

[sinned]

I also encourage everyone that i know who show slight interest in planes to git bos. Thanks.

 

Thanks Borys, much appreciated.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I don't think you should ignore People just because of differing Opinions.

 

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I didn't invoke the ignore function over a mere difference in opinions.

 

I invoked it because there is a right and proper way to voice an opinion that doesn't amount to incessantly insulting other people. Repeating the same tired insults over and over again doesn't validate a position or a point and it becomes tiring reading the same substance-lacking vitriol over and over again.

 

Maybe Sallee lent sinned Tutankhamen's scrotum because it definitely seems like wherever he posts and chooses to vehemently disagree, he does so like there's something a meter up his ass.

 

I don't think somebody in this thread knows the definition of "obsolete" but it seems they understand the definition of "narcissist."

Edited May 12, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[sinned]

I was getting worried there a bit....

 

I dont troll however. That of your perception, i cannot change.

 

Lets all just ask dev for another transport plane then shall we?

[AndyJWest]

Here's another suggestion. If someone thinks that adding particular content is a good idea, say so. And explain why you hold that opinion. If someone else doesn't think that adding said content is a good idea, say so. And explain why you hold that opinion. Leave the kindergarten insults out of it.

[Danziger]

Lets all just ask dev for another transport plane then shall we?

We already did. They already replied. As long as things continue to improve, I'm sure we will see more transport planes and even recon and float planes