The life and times of a P-40 Pilot

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

It's a hard life flying a P-40! Advice to live by, stay fast, careful of the rudder and if in doubt, bail out!

 

[CCG_bexhausted]

+1

[unlikely_spider]

Very funny.

[Lusekofte]

Hey someone filmed me......

 

Quite similar to my limited expirience with this plane, totally frustrating useless. Funny video, many thanks

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

Cheers guys, glad you liked it.

 

I don't mean to plug my own channel but LuseKofte I do have a video of the odd win I've had in the p-40 if you want to see it, it can pack a punch under the right circumstances.

[19//Moach]

what a brilliantly hilarious demonstration of everything that's wrong in the modelling of this plane! 

 

I hope devs get a look at this, and see how that tail just "goes" - and that's without the wings actually stalling!

 

 

no tractor-prop machine should be THAT prone to entering a full rudder stall - yet this one not only does, but it can even get into that much trouble from "wobble" alone...  this uniquely eccentric behavior defies both physics and understanding, for here's a rudder that despite the propeller slipstream and the fuselage, somehow has a smaller critical AoA than the wings!

 

 

and also - it has no brakes, so the "fun" isn't gone when on the ground - it's brakes are so dismal that on cold, dense air weather, the startup revs alone can force it to taxi into someone's tail.... but well, at least anyone in front has plenty of time to get a safe distance, since the startup procedure is depicted incorrectly - confusedly incorporating over-priming remedial steps as a normal part of the primer pump operation - and thus it takes twice than any other single engine prop to start (albeit IRL, it would probably not even start at all, if performed in this same manner)

 

 

that plane needs some urgent attention

Edited April 29, 2017 by 19//Moach

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

Glad you enjoyed it Moach. If the Devs do see it and want more proof, I have probably hours of footage of these rudder stalls, sometimes the develop into unrecoverable flat spins, other times a more nose down one you can recover from and sometime just a snap roll because I dared to squeeze in some rudder to point the nose more at my target. I love the P-40, both in real life and in this game, but it certainly has its short comings! The best advice I could give to anyone flying this plane is to be very very careful with the rudder, less is more when it comes to this aircraft!!!

[LLv44_Kanttori]

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

Is there any 'other' craft in BOS and BOM that is as messed up (flight model wise) as the P40 E-1 currently is?

Edited May 19, 2017 by Thad

[Barnacles]

In some respects it is the most maneuverable aircraft in the game. It is the only aircraft that can fly backwards for example.

[Thad]

LOL

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

This is good example to show how unforgiven the P40 is compared to other airframes. It's like plane from different game...

[L3Pl4K]

Cool P40 advertisement.

[19//Moach]

from a different game, yeah... it's more like a plane from a different planet 

 

 

it defies physics, therefore:  aliens!

 

 

 

and I don't think there are any planes as seriously messed up in the game as the P40 right now....  some planes have issues, but that one has PROBLEMS

Edited May 20, 2017 by 19//Moach

[JG27*Kornezov]

 

=WFPK=Wanganui_Wildcat are you flying like that on purpose? It appears you smash the controls. Try using more sensitivity in the pitch and the rudder and compare the results.

 

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

=WFPK=Wanganui_Wildcat are you flying like that on purpose? It appears you smash the controls. Try using more sensitivity in the pitch and the rudder and compare the results.

Most definitely not flying like that on purpose. I use an old logitech 3d pro joystick and no rudder pedals so only have the twist for rudder control. This makes my rudder inputs terribly sharp and often I don't realise I am even putting rudder in. I have the sensitively up on almost maximum and especially when flying the p-40 I try to be very careful when using rudder. Every situation in this video when I lose control is either from a stall as I'm chasing something that was higher than me, or from putting in to much rudder. The P-40 seems to be extremely susceptible to a rudder stall and so if you put in too much in any stage of flight it will almost instantly flick into a spin, if you are low level when this happens you are in big trouble.

 

All that being said, I am the first to admit, I'm not exactly the best pilot in this game. So here is a bit of an overview of what happened in each situation, the first time I lost control at the 28 second mark, I was diving on a he-111 that was low level so I had a bit of speed on, he had warning I was coming, more than likely from his escort and pulled it into a steep climb and a sharp left bank. I tried to follow but had to much speed on and as I was about to overshoot put in a heap of left rudder to try and get some hits on him as I went past. The rudder stalled, I went into a spin, recovered but there was not enough height to pull out.

At the 50 second mark, I was low level and saw a stukka up higher, and coming from my right, I climbed steeply to his level, leveled off and tried to get a deflection shot, I was slow, again put in left rudder to get guns on him, again stalled the tail plane, and spun in. Despite my best efforts I could not get enough airflow over the tail plane to recover from this spin. You can see from when I bail out I have full opposite rudder in and it did nothing to stop the rotation.

At 1:19 I was again low and zoom climbing this time to try and hit an he-111 from underneath. Went into a stall and tried to recover, but again did not have the height. You can't tell in the video but while I was prop hanging I also got pretty badly shot up, which I'm sure didn't help with the recovery.

The Final time at 1:50 I had been in a fight with a 109, was shot up (If you pause it at 1:50 you can see the holes in both wings and the fuselage) and was trying to chase him down, he was low and running, I got hits on him, then as I started to overshoot I again made the mistake of using rudder to follow him with my guns, again stalling the tail plane, you can see I try to put in opposite rudder to try and save it but it's to late and I am far to low.

 

The other factor in pretty much every sortie I fly is that I often only have a limited amount of time to play the game due to family and work commitments and so I pretty much head straight into any fight without a lot of thought or planning and generally get my ass kicked, then make videos about it

[JG27*Kornezov]

The FM at the current state is allowing very good control with the twist. Actually planes require very little rudder inputs to stay coordinated. Some very good LW pilots use the twist for rudder.

However logitech 3d pro is not a good stick. I had two, each one had a huge dead zone in the center making the fine control extremely difficult. On the other hand I had force feedback which was the cheapest possibility, I was so used to the shortcomings that I did not consider the alternatives for years.

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

I would agree that the flight models are generally great, except for the p-40! The rudder stalls at a moments notice, often without a great deal of rudder inputs!