Poll: Rise of Flight or Pacific Theater

[Wolferl_1791]

We can safely say that for us VR owners, IL-2 BoX is a fantastic success. Most comments I've seen, including my own opinion is that we would not be willing to play another sim without VR. That, unfortunately, includes such titles as Il-2 1946, CoD (for the moment) and Rise of Flight.

 

And let's face it, Rise of Flight hurts the most. It has a nice single player career, fantastic flight models and great planes. I miss it dearly. But so far, it seems to have been abandoned, probably because of publisher, more than developer will. In this day and age, money counts. I myself would buy it again in a heartbeat, although I already own all planes (except for the Russian pack).

 

Assuming that more people think like me, or assuming that most VR players don't already own RoF, maybe we can get the devs to press the publisher to do something about it. But that would mean taking resources out of the Pacific Theater expansion. So I invite all players to vote the poll above. Hopefully, I have asked the questions well enough for the answers to make sense. 

 

But why did I say "RoF 2" in my second question? Well...

 

The devs can either move Rise of Flight to DX11, snap on the current VR system from IL-2, job done. That would also take a lot less time to do. And remember that anyone can play Rise of Flight for free, with 3 planes at their disposal. People that don't already won any non-free plane would probably spend more on the planes, after they fall in love with the game in VR. In my opinion it would be the king of VR sims and bring lots of players to the series.

 

OR... the devs could move RoF to the BoX engine entirely. Shared maps. Shared mechanics. Only the vehicles and missions would differ. But that, of course, would take a lot more time. They could also improve the textures of the old birds. But such a game would have to be called Rise of Flight 2. And we'd have to buy it again. I would, in a hearbeat. But would you? Of course, this would also benefit non-VR users, now and in the future (they will buy VR eventually). 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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The devs can either move Rise of Flight to DX11, snap on the current VR system from IL-2, job done. That would also take a lot less time to do.

 

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Care to cite what information/sources/insight that lead you to that conclusion?

[Jade_Monkey]

The developers have already decided on Midway and they are already​ in the process of gathering all the data, so this poll seems a bit unnecessary.

 

Personally i have no interest in getting RoF2 at the expense of BoMi.

 

It also seems like RoF was not financially as successful as they expected it to be, so i doubt they will go back any time soon.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

As much as i would like to see ROF get VR support, the developers need to keep the momentum they have right now with this series. The original IL2 game brought in a huge number of players - and right now the developers are on the edge of repeating that history.

 

If the programmers that performed the DX11 and VR implementation have free time, sure. But I would be surprised if that was the case. If they pull off a good number of sales from Midway then maybe they might have financial room to increase the team size to look at lifting ROF whilst continuing to expand BoX at the same time.

Edited April 27, 2017 by Tripwire

[Wolferl_1791]

Thanks for voting guys. I'm not tying to convince anyone of my opinion, I'm genuinely interested in the devs getting a few meaningful numbers from the population. 

 

 

Care to cite what information/sources/insight that lead you to that conclusion?

Well, they already know how to do it, don't they? So it should take less time than it did with IL-2. They've mentioned somewhere that it was up to the publisher to decide on it, not to them. Even if they remake the entire game, they already have most of the data. So it should take less time than making carriers and stuff.

 

 

The developers have already decided on Midway and they are already​ in the process of gathering all the data, so this poll seems a bit unnecessary.
 

Not quite. I didn't say Midway, I said Pacific in general. Being so early in development, I doubt that pushing RoF to DX11 and VR would delay Midway much. If however they decided to remake the game entirely, that would be a whole different proposition. Still, remaking the entire RoF franchise would probably take as much time as releasing 1 Pacific title. Now don't get me wrong, I can't wait for the Pacific, it's gonna be awesome. I just want WW1 more. 

 

If the programmers that performed the DX11 and VR implementation have free time, sure. But I would be surprised if that was the case. If they pull off a good number of sales from Midway then maybe they might have financial room to increase the team size to look at lifting ROF.

I know, but the opposite could also be true. They could either invest too much, or they could loose the opportunity to gain a bit more money from an old game. I don't see the Pacific as a money gate to RoF, but rather RoF as a cruch for the Pacific and European theaters. But hey, I could be entirely wrong, that's what polls are for

[Scojo]

[Gambit21]

RoF is not in the plan - how many times does Jason need to say it?

 

This does not help anyone.

Edited April 27, 2017 by Gambit21

[kendo]

I would buy an updated ROF2 with DX11, etc if it were available.......BUT.....no way would I want to see resources diverted from the main direction forwards here which is WW2 and the Pacific.

 

I don't think there is any way at all that this can even be a possibility currently. And it would be positively dangerous given their current resources and situation to try.

[Herne]

I would buy an updated ROF2 with DX11, etc if it were available.......BUT.....no way would I want to see resources diverted from the main direction forwards here which is WW2 and the Pacific.

 

I don't think there is any way at all that this can even be a possibility currently. And it would be positively dangerous given their current resources and situation to try.

 

Awww don't say that. I was asking on reddit just today if anyone knew what was going on with RoF and VR. 

[Gambit21]

What Kendo said.

[Riderocket]

I asked Jason, he said they might look into RoF DX11/VR in the Future, but right now they're busy making WW2.

[AndyJWest]

Pointless poll. 

[Tuesday]

WW1 air combat is a niche within a niche.

 

Not something I'm interested in myself, even though I bought a fair chunk of the RoF stuff.

 

Trying to resurrect it would be a great way to shoot the company in the foot.

[OrLoK]

Id love to see rof aircraft/maps as a BoX expansion.

 

I dont see it hapenning but id love to see it.

 

If RoF went VR it would be an insta buy.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Too much supposition in the first reply to hassle with formulating a reply back. 

[Wolferl_1791]

Quite surprised at the poll results so far. I was not expecting the old bird to get so much love. 

 

Too much supposition in the first reply to hassle with formulating a reply back. 

Ditto.

 

 

WW1 air combat is a niche within a niche.

 

Not something I'm interested in myself, even though I bought a fair chunk of the RoF stuff.

 

Trying to resurrect it would be a great way to shoot the company in the foot.

 

That niche got a bit bigger thanks to the Battlefield game. Most of us sim fans already have all titles and have already saved up money for the future ones. But if you're talking about bringing in sim newbs, then the Pacific will pose a huge problem. And that's the sheer difficulty of the game. Landing on a carrier will be hard enough, but you're talking Japanese whirlwinds that light up in flames if so much as you look at them funny, versus US air tanks with about 100 levers to control the engine. You're talking flying a straight course over water for a long time. That water better be fine looking. But I used to be a sailor and I know how boring water can be if you look at it long enough. Midway ain't Hawaii either, just a speck of land with a runway on it. Documentation ain't never been one of 1C's games strengths either. Meanwhile, RoF, if you play it in VR, requires half a joystick to play, with probably 4 buttons in all (joking of course, you just need the trigger and the blip). Engine management is... there isn't any. Has more planes that BoX and slightly more varied if you ask me. And it's free to try. So if a "simple" patch with the correct marketing can pay for itself, how is that "shooting the company in the foot"?

Edited April 28, 2017 by karamazovnew

[Bearfoot]

How much would it cost for an entirely new team to be hired, from scratch --- project manager, coders, artists, modelers, etc. down to the coffee-gophers --- to do this? Put it up on kickstarter. I suspect it will get funded by us pretty quickly! I for one would put in some serious $$$$. That way, no competing with resources from the Pacific, plus no angst over whether or not it is marketable etc. It's all been bought and paid for. 

[BraveSirRobin]

 I suspect it will get funded by us pretty quickly! 

 

If that were true 777 would not have abandoned it for BoX.

[Jade_Monkey]

 

Not quite. I didn't say Midway, I said Pacific in general. Being so early in development, I doubt that pushing RoF to DX11 and VR would delay Midway much. 

 

 

Midway IS the Pacific, and with all the respect, I think you have no clue the effort that it would take to convert into DX11.

It's not copying and pasting the code into a template.The BOS engine was based on the RoF engine, but moved beyond (now years of development) and they are simply not the same. 

[Bearfoot]

If that were true 777 would not have abandoned it for BoX.

 

Entirely different business model, mindset, consumption model and era.

 

I would not pay $200 for a copy of a VR ROF. 

 

I would pay $200 to help fund a VR ROF project.

 

Irrational, I know. But that's the nature of the beast.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Rise of Flight is best in dogfighting​, real CFS, compared to it WW2 era where most kills are from surprise or gang bang looks dull. When ROF gives opportunity to be true AS like man in video below.

https://youtu.be/Mx_uTxiMMwk

[THERION]

Pointless poll?

 

Pacific theatre - perhaps pointless too?

 

I sure will buy it - no question about that, just to support 1C/777 and help them staying alive in business. But otherwise? Apart from starting and landing on

carriers (challenging and thrilling) I really don't care flying above thousands of square miles of this deep blue ocean....

 

I know, I might be flamed, crucified and sliced in quarters for this statement, but I think the topic of implementing Pacific theatre or not, might be a bit "political",

sort of "if you don't do Pacific theatre we US customers will never ever buy anything from 1C/777 again - period".

 

I might be wrong on this, so sorry for that - just my thoughts...

 

Cheers to all of you

[Scojo]

Entirely different business model, mindset, consumption model and era.

 

I would not pay $200 for a copy of a VR ROF. 

 

I would pay $200 to help fund a VR ROF project.

 

Irrational, I know. But that's the nature of the beast.

[Scojo]

"if you don't do Pacific theatre we US customers will never ever buy anything from 1C/777 again - period".

Sorry, but which of us Americans have said this?

 

Also, what about the Americans that have said they don't care for the PTO?

[Wolferl_1791]

Midway IS the Pacific, and with all the respect, I think you have no clue the effort that it would take to convert into DX11.

It's not copying and pasting the code into a template.The BOS engine was based on the RoF engine, but moved beyond (now years of development) and they are simply not the same. 

Being a programmer myself, I do have a clue. I know it's not simple and it would take months. I'd rather they moved everything to the BoX engine directly. There are 40 planes in RoF. That's 2 DLCs worth of stuff. They could release the 1916-1917 planes in the first one, on the current BoX maps (including Kuban). In the second one they could remake the Holland theater and have it ready for future Britain and Europe Theaters. 

 

 

Sorry, but which of us Americans have said this?

 

Also, what about the Americans that have said they don't care for the PTO?

Quite right. Although, being European, the thought did cross my mind as well. But then I realized the logical next step would've been the West Europe Theater, which certainly did not lack interesting american (and german) planes. To me, Midway was the weirdest choice of all, with Singapore, Solomon Islands and the Philippines to choose from. 

 

The "politics" involved actually have more to do with what I've seen in both World of Tanks and War Thunder: a rush to make more vehicles, instead of building up the base game. The marketing department and sales numbers will probably disagree with me, but I'm more of a quality over quantity kind of guy. Thank god 777 Studios is not Gaijin. If this year we'll get the old career system, the immersion factor will go up tenfold for me. I love my frikkin' medals!

[AndyJWest]

For the benefit of people who seem to need to have blindingly obvious things explained to them explicitly, developers don't base major decisions regarding potential product development on forum polls. I am sure the question of whether an update or remake of Rise of Flight is merited has been discussed. And I am sure they know more about how much work this would entail than forum members, programmer or otherwise. Likewise, they have already stated their intentions regarding future BoX development, and I am sure they came to the decision they did based on other data we don't have access to - e.g. sales figures, and possibly market research. They aren't going to change their mind because a few forum members respond to a poll based around guesswork.

[Scojo]

To me, Midway was the weirdest choice of all, with Singapore, Solomon Islands and the Philippines to choose from. 

Midway was one of, if not the biggest turning point in the war from an aviation standpoint.

 

The battle was heavily won through carrier/air power and the immense destruction of that power on one side.

 

That's not to say other battles weren't large or impactful. I just think that if you look at it from a pure aviation standpoint, it can be easy to see why they picked it.

 

Then don't forget that they want to start early, and then move forward in time with development

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

It was save to remake Pacific, I was hoping for more ambitious theter. Developers would do other for sure but as we know from questions to developers they do not decide. BTW reason that I bought BOS was promise that new stuff/updates developed for Bos will be transferred to ROF. I feel cheated when I read that nothing new will happen to RoF.

[Scojo]

It was save to remake Pacific, I was hoping for more ambitious theter. Developers would do other for sure but as we know from questions to developers they do not decide. BTW reason that I bought BOS was promise that new stuff/updates developed for Bos will be transferred to ROF. I feel cheated when I read that nothing new will happen to RoF.

Oh, come on now, Tomcat! You've shot me down a bunch, so surely you're having lots of fun anyway!

 

 

On a serious note, when did they say they were going to transfer BoX stuff to ROF? I'm newer than that, I'm sure

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Oh, come on now, Tomcat! You've shot me down a bunch, so surely you're having lots of fun anyway!

 

 

On a serious note, when did they say they were going to transfer BoX stuff to ROF? I'm newer than that, I'm sure

I do not regret that I bought BOS. But my heart is with WW1 era airplanes. Probably I can find it somewhere on Rof forums...

[BraveSirRobin]

Entirely different business model, mindset, consumption model and era.

 

I would not pay $200 for a copy of a VR ROF. 

 

I would pay $200 to help fund a VR ROF project.

 

Irrational, I know. But that's the nature of the beast.

The fact that you would do it is not an indicator that lots of other people would do. If there were lots of people willing to pay lots of money for a WW1 sim, then 777 would still be developing RoF.

[TG-55Panthercules]

There were some statements made by the devs (or Jason) early on that they hoped/expected to ripple some improvements back to RoF from BoS, and at the time I'm sure that was their hope, but apparently that became less likely as time went on and the code bases diverged or something.  I don't feel cheated when I look at what happened (or didn't happen) along those lines, though I certainly am disappointed.

Edited April 28, 2017 by TG-55Panthercules

[Gambit21]

Pacific theatre - perhaps pointless too?

 

I know, I might be flamed, crucified and sliced in quarters for this statement, but I think the topic of implementing Pacific theatre or not, might be a bit "political",

sort of "if you don't do Pacific theatre we US customers will never ever buy anything from 1C/777 again - period".

 

I might be wrong on this, so sorry for that - just my thoughts...

 

Cheers to all of you

 

 

[AlexandreCosta]

For me it would be great to have RoF with DX11/VR. I think it would be a financial success if they do the transition. There's a lot of people that have bought VR devices and don't play flight sims, and with the RoF free content it would be possible for them to try it. I'm sure it would even bring more people to IL-2. We have to consider the excitment of people who have just bought the new device, the developers should take this into account.

[HappyHaddock]

I only bought BOS out of curiosity as to what it was hinted, perhaps almost to the point of being implied, would eventually get carried back to ROF so I'd dearly love to see the devs dedicate ROF some love and attention again.

 

However having a few vocal fans want something doesn't mean it is an economically wise or viable business model and the devs are honest and clear about what they do and do not intend doing... still we can keep on hoping!

 

So whilst I own it I don't fly BOS as WWII doesn't really interest me .. though a sim of this quality taking a mosquito out over the Norwegian fjords might just tempt me... but that's probably less likely than a revamp of ROF.

Edited April 29, 2017 by HappyHaddock

[Feathered_IV]

What I really hope for is 777 to continue on to the Pacific, while a trusted third-party updates RoF at their own expense for a share in the profit.

[Danziger]

Exactly. My hope is with VR and the next installments there will be enough profit to expand the team and be able to accomplish more at once. A team of dedicated collector plane builders could go a long way in expanding the plane set to '46 proportions.

[LeFrenchCat]

More than Rise of Flight 2 or Pacific fighter, i would love a "WW1 pack" for IL2.   It would bring everything under the same engine, so both era would enjoy the same engine devellopment. I'd happily pay for that.   I wonder how hard it would be to upgrade RoF content to IL2 engine, instead of restarting a third game from scratch. I'm sure 3rd party would quickly jump in and provide campaigns for it.

Not to mention all the crazy people like me who enjoy doing weird, anachronic dogfights.




 

Edited April 30, 2017 by [VODKA]Wolfakov

[Lusekofte]

I do not think the codes can just be pasted over to ROF, it aint that easy . At least I do not think so. If you look at what happened in this game. Do you think it will get the same appeal? 

I really think there is a market for VR WW1 aviation, but it depend on the cost making it. I hope there is enough people to do it. Myself I have a hard priority to do. I cannot fly them all. I can hardly divide time between DCS and BOS 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I do not think the codes can just be pasted over to ROF, it aint that easy .

 

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