why not Africa?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Gambit, it's an AI only in the stock game, made flyable in the HSFX mod.

[Gambit21]

Thanks

Yeah I used to have fun shooting at it (or protecting it) in the stock game.

Always wanted it flyable.

[Brano]

Yep, those nasty type 99s sent my hellcat smoking home too early too many times :D

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Doubt we ever see an Africa scenery in BoX, sadly :-(. Would have loved it.

[Danziger]

Doubt we ever see an Africa scenery in BoX, sadly :-(. Would have loved it.

If we ever get mods on mode I'm sure someone will come up with some retexturing of current maps with a desert theme. 

[216th_Jordan]

If the series persists then I am sure we will see western european theaters. given that more than half of the planes necessary for BoA are there already I find it likely that we will see some sort of expansion some years down the road. Maybe something like a map and a campaign plus a plane bundle that could be bought additionally.

[Mac_Messer]

Splitting a couple of hundred active MP players worldwide isn't going to matter much in the scheme of things.  Multiplying them is what's important.

Indeed it is, though a product has to be at least decent to make it so. Other than that the multiplying part about the PTO is unwarranted. It is just a market prognosis, but really none of us including the devs, know how it will turn out. In my opinion it is much bigger risk doing PTO than MTO, China or Normandy for example, let alone ETO.

 I absolutely cede the fact that the earliest clashes in what eventually became WW2 were (arguably) the Spanish Civil War 1936-39), the Japanese attacks against Manchuria (1931-32) and China(1937-45) and Nazi aggressive expansion into Czechoslovakia and Austria (1939) and that many of these occurred in the Far East. The fact still remains that as far as the United Kingdom is concerned war with Gemany was declared on 3 September 1939, a full two years before the US joined the war.

It`s different for every nation dependant on what the state says in history books. Russians still think WW2 started in 1941.

[Mac_Messer]

Well, if someone only looks at axis side than yeah. No matter what expansion one will still sit in 109/190 cockpit exclusively. But then why expand at all ? 

Try to take a notice of the point of view of the other side. 

On the allied side, no matter what theater you choose, it`s always new planes. There is a good reason why IL2 started with Yaks and 109 and not with P47/Zero. Twice.

[Mac_Messer]

The good thing is that I think a lot of the "Pacific..meh" types who are making assumptions are going to be pleasantly surprised by the experience once they give it a shot - especially with more maps, islands etc.

No doubt, though in order to make that happen, the very first component of the game to be expanded is the multiplayer features, coop rooms quick mission servers among other things.

[Mac_Messer]

Well, I did not spend time watching hyperlobby, I spent time playing.

 

In regard to popularity however it seems that it sold quite well, at least according to Oleg :

Source: http://www.simhq.com/air-combat/il-2-sturmovik-part3.html

If you did not watch HL then your experience to his post about Zekes vs Wildcats being a niche is irrelevant, isn`t it?

 

If PF sold well it must have been for sp people mostly. Multiplayer failed until modders got a grab of it. It was plagued with problems.

I get it... but I don't really get it. I like World War II aviation. I think its utterly fascinating and I'll gladly play a sim that lets me fly authentically and lovingly crafted warbirds over whatever frozen steppe, dessert wasteland or bug infested jungle they care to throw at me. I do it because I like the flying and the combat and the aircraft. I have my favourites but I'll gladly have fun no matter what. If they said that the next addition was Battle of Khalkin Gol... Sign me up! Whatever. Give me planes to fly.

That is just another point of view and another way to enjoy the game. But mostly, only those who fly exclusive, excell in their piloting performance.

The PTO was the absolute most popular theathre in the heydays of IL 2.

 

Maps from MTO came along later much later and still could not muster those numbers PTO collected.

Like PTO could never muster the numbers Normandy and Moscow gathered? MTO was introduced into IL2 franchise long after a big part of IL2 community quit. The old IL2 was already lagely obsolete as a cfs.

i dont think pacific will sell bad...but i do think that staying there for several releases in a row will be bad for overall sales, as it just leaves potential customers who would be interested in other theaters out for too long.they might lose interest alltogether for this simulation and never return.

from all the guys i know, im only aware of a single person who actually is looking forward to the pacific scenario...and no, its not only guys with a JG tag in front of their names...

sure, im convinced, that many do look forward to the pacific, but rest assured, that there are probably as many people who are no il2 customers yet, only because there is no western front...

 

I wouldn`t say that. Any of the theaters of operations are possible to be executed with flying colors. If the decision is well thought out and there is a legit plan.

 

I don't know if anyone remembers Targetware, but I used to play the shit out of Target Rabaul. Target Tobruk was really good too, actually. It's such a shame they went under. TT was a very enjoyable Med theater sim while it lasted 

 

A part of it may have been that one of the project devs kept popping up on the official Ubi IL2 forum badmouthing IL2 and pretty much anyone that disagreed with him.

[Mac_Messer]

4. Like DCS does ? Charge 50 $ for every single aircraft ? Then charge another 50 for a map, 20 for assets and prevent those who did not obtain them from entering multiplayer ? Sorry, its not the way I'd like Il-2 series to follow. What Jason now does is a good policy and Il-2 is unique product but still affordable for average men even from eastern Europe, Asia or couple other places which does not exclude those who did not buy one or more expansions from participating in multiplayer servers.  

DCS does not nearly do enough to make any type of a well rounded theater of operations. If it did, the product could do very well without any of the mentioned markets.

[Mac_Messer]

I get it, some people don't like it, tough shit, but I don't think there is any serious indication of it being a strategical misstake at this point. I for one will keep looking forward to it very much. I mean...No Russian aircraft and no 109? That will basically be a revolution and thank god for that.

There are other reasons for that and it already has been covered. To put it as short as possible, PTO was for the most part very different from ETO as in the type of combat engagements both sides made. But that can be avoided by bringing more similarities in PTO as compared to ETO.

[Mac_Messer]

Being out of touch with just how popular the PTO is...that's one thing and completely forgivable.

Having preferred Africa or being disappointed that the announcement revealed otherwise.... completely understandable.

The behavior surrounding both by some less so on both counts. Juvenile at best, toxic at worst.

Pretty ignorant of you to narrow the opinions of let`s call them PTO skeptics into only wanting their own planes/theater of operations. The concern about PTO is actually more about whether it is currently possible to be executed at least in a decent manner, let alone a fair PTO cfs. Because - gasp - Pacific Fighters was mostly a defeat in that respect.

[Wulf]

OK, I absolutely cede the fact that the earliest clashes in what eventually became WW2 were (arguably) the Spanish Civil War 1936-39), the Japanese attacks against Manchuria (1931-32) and China(1937-45) and Nazi aggressive expansion into Czechoslovakia and Austria (1939) and that many of these occurred in the Far East. The fact still remains that as far as the United Kingdom is concerned war with Gemany was declared on 3 September 1939, a full two years before the US joined the war.

 

 

 

 

Don't mean to flog a dead horse here but why would you concede that point?  The Spanish Civil war was just that; a civil war.  Sure, the Soviets, the Germans the Italians, the French etc etc all had an interest in the outcome but ultimately, it was a civil war, which had little or nothing to do with the events that followed.   If you insist on looking for precursors to WW 2 why limit yourself to the 1930s.  How about the Soviet attack on Poland in 1920.  What about that for starters??

[ShamrockOneFive]

Doubt we ever see an Africa scenery in BoX, sadly :-(. Would have loved it.

 

I think we very well might see it in the future. Just not for the next couple of years.

 

Jason said during one of the Q&A's that the team is interested in doing a lot of different areas. Right now they are focusing on moving to the Pacific. After that... could be anything.

[dburne]

But also of note now they are collaborating jointly with TFS with Cliffs who are going to Africa...

[Rolling_Thunder]

Hindsight is a great thing. Speculation in this regard is pointless. We are going to the pacific after kuban. The devs have set out their plan and they will succeed or fail. Im deeply disappointed that the Commonwealth is the forgotten faction in this franchise, thus far, but it is what it is. My introduction into the original il2 was through pacific fighters up until that point i wasnt interested in a game centered around a Soviet aircraft. The Eastern front airwar was of no interest to me. I believe many folk are the same. I believe, if it happens, the pacific will be a success. The introduction of 2 new nations, maybe 3, hopefully 3, will bring a lot of new players. If you want the warthunder players to come the greatest block to achieving that is the variety warthunder offers. The introduction of the pacific will go a long way.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I think we very well might see it in the future. Just not for the next couple of years.

 

Jason said during one of the Q&A's that the team is interested in doing a lot of different areas. Right now they are focusing on moving to the Pacific. After that... could be anything.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he also said that they had no intentions of producing a "cross-product" environment with TFS.

 

That may have even been in the same Q&A.

[Gambit21]

Yep - it's about as likely as Battle of Britain, which is to say...not going to happen.

After PTO I'm putting my money on a tactical Channel/Normandy release, P-47's, Tempests, etc.

Not because this is my wish (although it is) but because objectively, of all the things I can think of, this makes the most sense from an interest, revenue standpoint...and it's doable

 

My GREATEST wish is to not leave PTO until we have the Solomons though.

 

I know Han wants Korea, and I support him in that wish.

I don't think we'll see that for a while though...if ever.

Edited June 14, 2017 by Gambit21

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he also said that they had no intentions of producing a "cross-product" environment with TFS.

 

That may have even been in the same Q&A.

 

I remember that part too. To me it seemed to be talking about near future plans. He also said that all theaters were on the table... Until we get there I guess we just won't know. Things change in a few years time.

[Trooper117]

He also said that all theaters were on the table... Until we get there I guess we just won't know. Things change in a few years time.

 

You might find things change sooner than you think.

If they can't get the help they need in sourcing the pacific expertise and information, there may be a huge delay... if that happens they will need to come up with other options to gather more funds.

[Legioneod]

LuseKofte,

 

Once again - the pilot did not start the engine.

Not always true. I'm currently reading about the 56th fighter group and about Robert S. Johnson. He speaks of starting his engine before missions multiple times.

 

This may be a rare instance but it did happen. The ground crew doesn't always start the engines.

 

In regards to the thread, I'm ok with going to the Pacific but I would have preferred a western or med theater. I wanna fulfill my dream of flying a Jug over France or Italy. (I know Jugs operated in the Pacific, but the chances of us getting one is slim imo.)

Edited June 15, 2017 by Legioneod

[Gambit21]

I was speaking of carrier ops during WWII - not about every pilot, everywhere, every day, during the entire war.

[hames123]

I still think that this game could go to the area bombing of German cities by the RAF one day. Probably because I am so terrible at this that I cannot hit anything smaller than a city! I need to use those huge German bombs to ensure the death of whatever I was bombing, so that shows yoy how bad I am.

[senseispcc]

I read a lot that the Pacific theatre should bring a lot of new players to the game?! 

But I am not certain of that! 

UK or other western nations non USA and pacific nations players maybe not because the pacific has for them only a secondary front interest?

The US of A player maybe but still the pacific was until 1944-45 a secondary front and there are no real war simulation (recent) of the air battle on the western front from 1942 to 1945 with the exception of the now slightly outdated IL2 1946 series of games.

I know I am a lot to late in this discussion but still an opinion is permitted is it not?!   

[Gambit21]

You have the right to your opinion yes...and you have the right to be wrong.

You've done both.

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

And who said your opinion is necessarily right?

[Feathered_IV]

I read a lot that the Pacific theatre should bring a lot of new players to the game?! 

But I am not certain of that! 

UK or other western nations non USA and pacific nations players maybe not because the pacific has for them only a secondary front interest?

The US of A player maybe but still the pacific was until 1944-45 a secondary front and there are no real war simulation (recent) of the air battle on the western front from 1942 to 1945 with the exception of the now slightly outdated IL2 1946 series of games.

I know I am a lot to late in this discussion but still an opinion is permitted is it not?!   

 

 

I'm not American.  US planes are not very interesting, but I find Japanese carrier aviation fascinating.

 

Btw:  Oleg said the Pacific was very popular among Russian player, because it offered the chance to shoot down dirty yankee airplane without having to fly stinking fascist messerwagens to do so.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

I think we very well might see it in the future. Just not for the next couple of years.

 

Jason said during one of the Q&A's that the team is interested in doing a lot of different areas. Right now they are focusing on moving to the Pacific. After that... could be anything.

 

Hope you are right!

 

But also of note now they are collaborating jointly with TFS with Cliffs who are going to Africa...

 

Cliffs is not an option for me, as my controls won't work correctly with that sim. Tried every trick and tweaks, just doesn't work :-/

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

..........................

 

I know Han wants Korea, and I support him in that wish.

I don't think we'll see that for a while though...if ever.

realy ?

we should talk about the Six Day War with him perhaps

Fast Jets yes, but still with Canons

and online.......it would be a balanced planest IMHO

Mirage

SMB2

Mystere IV

Vatour

vs

MiG21 (F&PF)

Mig19

MiG17

Hawker Hunter

Su7

............... but i guess, such an era will never happen again. SO OffTopic by far

[Grancesc]

realy ?

we should talk about the Six Day War with him perhaps

Fast Jets yes, but still with Canons

and online.......it would be a balanced planest IMHO

Mirage

SMB2

Mystere IV

Vatour

vs

MiG21 (F&PF)

Mig19

MiG17

Hawker Hunter

Su7

............... but i guess, such an era will never happen again. SO OffTopic by far

This proposal has my full support. I would love to fly with fast jets over the rough, desert-like Sinai peninsula. If not North Africa, then this.

[Rolling_Thunder]

lets not discuss anything beyond WW2. I really hope this game doesn't turn out a missmatch doesn't know what it is like DCS has turned into.

[Gambit21]

That would never happen here - that should be self evident already frankly.

But yeah - it's all WWII for the foreseeable future.

[Lusekofte]

I can't help but think that if the devs had decided to do midway instead of kuban that Jason wouldn't have to keep asking "everybody to buy everything". Im with david, i think staying in the eastern front for 3 releases, especially so early in the franchise, was a mistake. It hasnt helped expand the player base. I think if midway is released that we will see a much bigger expansion of players than kuban will bring.

 

 

They cannot afford the development time for a PTO campaign without selling something in-between. Kuban is implementing a lot of things needed for PTO and give them recourses to keep building and developing PTO. My guess is they bet everything on PTO, a very expensive endeavour that probably will be vital for further development. Kuban does not require the same resources . I think it is a smart move

Edited June 16, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[7.GShAP/Silas]

They cannot afford the development time for a PTO campaign without selling something in-between. Kuban is implementing a lot of things needed for PTO and give them recourses to keep building and developing PTO. My guess is they bet everything on PTO, a very expensive endeavour that probably will be vital for further development. Kuban does not require the same resources . I think it is a smart move

 

 

I agree.  I don't think people realize how much more development time Midway will take compared to the successive releases of BoM and BoK.  It's not going to be quick.

Edited June 16, 2017 by 7-GvShAP/Silas