Herne Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 I'm assuming when the PTO does come online, that we effectively start the same game as we do now, and then choose either a pacific or eastern front campaign, or from a larger selection of multiplayer servers that we have available to us now ? The player base in this case won't be split, they will all be playing IL2, they will be no more split than they currently are by playing on different servers. If it's an entirely different product though with a separate executable, then that's a different story.
Dutchvdm Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 I'm assuming when the PTO does come online, that we effectively start the same game as we do now, and then choose either a pacific or eastern front campaign, or from a larger selection of multiplayer servers that we have available to us now ? The player base in this case won't be split, they will all be playing IL2, they will be no more split than they currently are by playing on different servers. If it's an entirely different product though with a separate executable, then that's a different story. I would think that yes, but it would be nice of they could make different hangars for the PTO planes and other loading screens. Grt M
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 I would think that yes, but it would be nice of they could make different hangars for the PTO planes and other loading screens. Grt M Personally, I really don't care what the "hangar" or loading screens look like.
Gambit21 Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 Personally, I really don't care what the "hangar" or loading screens look like. I don't either. However if eventually my Zeke, or Wildcat etc was sitting in an outdoor reventment with palm trees in the background and a breeze blowing - I shan't complain.
VBF-12_Snake9 Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 That cat pic is way too relaxed and calm to be an accurate representation. Lol Sent with love of course.
FuriousMeow Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Angry kitty has other thoughts? Reaction to this whole thread, not your post.
Brano Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 As long as there will be no crazy welding man,I don't care :D 2
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 yes sure, thats a good thing...and many think like you, others dont...the reasons why people are into ww2 flight sim vary quite much.and although we share the same hobby, the reason why might be a completely different one. IL2 should try to get all of us onboard. in the end, it doesnt matter at all if you understand it or not, why some people share no interest in particular theaters. its a fact, and thats the only thing that matters for us customers, the devs and the future of this series. that they started with BOS is understandable, that they did it essentially 3times in a row was a mistake imo. that they now will go to the pacific will be vital. but i think it wouldnt matter where they go now, they just have to leave the eastern front now. anyway, its the pacific, and imo, they should have done it earlier already...but staying again on 1front for too long(3 times in a row), is i think dangerous for the series, if we believe in the devs when they say that they struggle financially. Well pre-purchase BOK and support them!
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I get it... but I don't really get it. I like World War II aviation. I think its utterly fascinating and I'll gladly play a sim that lets me fly authentically and lovingly crafted warbirds over whatever frozen steppe, dessert wasteland or bug infested jungle they care to throw at me. I do it because I like the flying and the combat and the aircraft. I have my favourites but I'll gladly have fun no matter what. If they said that the next addition was Battle of Khalkin Gol... Sign me up! Whatever. Give me planes to fly. Perhaps the only post that I have read here, that is from a true real aviation sim fan! We can all have our views and opinions, but at the end of the day, Jason has asked for our financial support and I for one have the same Borg view as ShamrockOneFive. Might even change my name to ShamrockOneSix 1
9./JG27DavidRed Posted June 10, 2017 Author Posted June 10, 2017 Well pre-purchase BOK and support them! to give them the impression that i love the eastern front and want a 4th theater of it?
Gambit21 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 to give them the impression that i love the eastern front and want a 4th theater of it? Yeah - because they're just hanging and waiting to see what you think.
9./JG27DavidRed Posted June 10, 2017 Author Posted June 10, 2017 lol, no of course not.why on earth would the devs want to know what their customers think of their product 1
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 lol, no of course not.why on earth would the devs want to know what their customers think of their product Well perhaps you should write to Jason directly and raise your concerns with him.
9./JG27DavidRed Posted June 10, 2017 Author Posted June 10, 2017 lol....why if i can write here in this forum?
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) to give them the impression that i love the eastern front and want a 4th theater of it? So, which country are you from DavidRed and which theatre of operations was your country involved in that would get you to purchase? My Grandfather served with 152 Sqn (RAF) throughout WW2 http://www.152hyderabad.co.uk/html/airfields_visted.html and I have no linkage to POK. However, I'm supporting Jason as I believe that what ever he does it will be worthwhile and worth my upfront investment. There comes a point when no matter how much you disagree with it you can't stop it. lol....why if i can write here in this forum? Because you inferred that they didn't want to hear from their customers. I'm sure if you wrote to Jason directly explaining your views, he would listen! to give them the impression that i love the eastern front and want a 4th theater of it? Eastern Front to me will always just be the Russian theatre. Edited June 10, 2017 by Haza
9./JG27DavidRed Posted June 10, 2017 Author Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) So, which country are you from DavidRed and which theatre of operations was your country involved in that would get you to purchase? My Grandfather served with 152 Sqn (RAF) throughout WW2 http://www.152hyderabad.co.uk/html/airfields_visted.html and I have no linkage to POK. However, I'm supporting Jason as I believe that what ever he does it will be worthwhile and worth my upfront investment. There comes a point when no matter how much you disagree with it you can't stop it. lol, you asking these questions after 8 pages? a small hint...the thread title gives you 1 possible answer...did you even read anything here in this thread or are you really that ignorant? Because you inferred that they didn't want to hear from their customers. uhm no, that was what Gambit was implying. Edited June 10, 2017 by 9./JG27DavidRed
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) lol, you asking these questions after 8 pages? a small hint...the thread title gives you 1 possible answer...did you even read anything here in this thread or are you really that ignorant? No not ignorant at all. I have read all of the posts here and I wouldn't jump to a conclusion regarding somebodies nationality over a post title that is referring to a general theatre of operations that involved numerous Allied/Axis countries. In addition, there were numerous nationalities from other counties fighting for the Allies or Axis during this period. Hence why I asked! I totally support a Pacific theatre of operations over another European/N African theatre, however, assuming that I'm either Japanese or American because of my support for a Pacific map would be rather silly and certainly would warrant your "ignorant" remark Therefore, I'm not sure why you believe that I'm ignorant for asking you a question rather than jumping to a conclusion based on little more than than the title and your apparent views. In deed, in a previous post here you asked that people stopped with the personal insults and attacks, yet you appear quite at ease inferring that I'm ignorant for asking a question to understand your apparent views. That to me perhaps speaks volumes. Regards Edited June 10, 2017 by Haza
9./JG27DavidRed Posted June 10, 2017 Author Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) well, asking what theaters i would be interested in actually does show that you ignored(didn't read) my posts for the last 8pages aka. the whole thread. hence "ignorant". Edited June 10, 2017 by 9./JG27DavidRed
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 well, asking what theaters i would be interested in actually does show that you ignored(didn't read) my posts for the last 8pages aka. the whole thread. hence "ignorant". Posted 24 April 2017 - 23:10 ^^thats why i said "it didnt really affect my country"(bad wording i guess)....as im fully aware that indirectly, it had huge influence also on the ETO. and yes, its the quality of the FMs, which i seriously hope will get even much better with the announced FM patch, that holds me here....i am passionate about the product...i just wish, that one day they also develop a theater im really interested in, and of course rather sooner than later, or worst, not at all... David, From reading your posts I get it that you were asking about Africa, however, your post above specifically mentions that "it didnt really affect my country", therefore, my question was merely asking which country you were from to understand why it had no interest for you. Therefore, before you start using the word ignorant or insulting me, having previously asked others not to do it, please make sure you at least recall what you have posted previously. Regards
9./JG27DavidRed Posted June 10, 2017 Author Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) i didnt insult you, and have no intentions of doing so.saying that the question of "what theaters i would be interested" after 8pages of a thread that is titled "Why not Africa" is ignorant, is hardly an insult. and whats so hard to understand about the PTO not having much in common with the ETO? oh and well, i said it many times already in this thread, but i will point it out 1more time especially for you,...im not against the PTO btw., i just dont think its the best decision from a financial point of view, and doing it a couple of times in a row could be a really bad decision i fear, just as i think that doing 3times russia wasnt the best thing to do to gather money... Edited June 10, 2017 by 9./JG27DavidRed
Haza Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 DavidRed, In my country asking somebody if they are "really that ignorant" is another way of implying that they are, so if that was not your intention then fine, however, it just goes to show how what is meant is not always received in the same manner (I should know, especially when dealing with so many Nationalities in this forum). In addition, having read all of the posts, I'm not ignorant of the fact, that you are not against PTO.
sinned Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Loving the "my intention wasnt...." excuse. Classic. Btw, well said and written Haza.
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Perhaps the only post that I have read here, that is from a true real aviation sim fan! We can all have our views and opinions, but at the end of the day, Jason has asked for our financial support and I for one have the same Borg view as ShamrockOneFive. Might even change my name to ShamrockOneSix Cheers! :D
Gambit21 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 uhm no, that was what Gambit was implying. With respect, it wasn't that at all. I was addressing your odd logic/comment insinuating that you purchasing BoK somehow brings on a 4th Eastern Front release, or that not making the purchase has any other real effect whatsoever other than reducing funds for further development - period. Not making the purchase is your choice, but don't kid yourself as to your 'contribution' toward not going to Russia a 4th time in the near future. That train has left the station.
9./JG27DefaultFace Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 You guys ever hear about a concept called supply and demand???
Rolling_Thunder Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I can't help but think that if the devs had decided to do midway instead of kuban that Jason wouldn't have to keep asking "everybody to buy everything". Im with david, i think staying in the eastern front for 3 releases, especially so early in the franchise, was a mistake. It hasnt helped expand the player base. I think if midway is released that we will see a much bigger expansion of players than kuban will bring. 1
dburne Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) I can't help but think that if the devs had decided to do midway instead of kuban that Jason wouldn't have to keep asking "everybody to buy everything". Im with david, i think staying in the eastern front for 3 releases, especially so early in the franchise, was a mistake. It hasnt helped expand the player base. I think if midway is released that we will see a much bigger expansion of players than kuban will bring. Fully agree on this. I think - assuming they get the green light from 1C to produce Midway - that will result in a very nice increase in sales for them, expanding the customer base, just from that addition alone. Obviously the majority of folks on these forums are going to buy and support them in any event, but this will certainly help them in expanding the customer base beyond what they already have. Which undoubtedly is what 1C wants to see. Edited June 10, 2017 by dburne 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I can't help but think that if the devs had decided to do midway instead of kuban that Jason wouldn't have to keep asking "everybody to buy everything". Im with david, i think staying in the eastern front for 3 releases, especially so early in the franchise, was a mistake. It hasnt helped expand the player base. I think if midway is released that we will see a much bigger expansion of players than kuban will bring. It's not that different than two somewhat larger releases from the previous IL-2 series over roughly the same amount of time. We were on the East front for a long time before they released the Normandy map and made some more West front aircraft available. That said, I think the team weighed their options carefully. Midway and the Pacific are the goal but there needed to be a midway point and they also do have a strong East front interest in the CIS territories so doing three and then moving to something else seems like a pretty good idea. I'm guessing that the number of Western aircraft, the Black Sea setting, and the time period connecting to Stalingrad were all weighed careful. I don't think they could have picked a better halfway step between jumping to the Pacific and getting their tech ready to do so.
Gambit21 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I'm not an Eastern Front guy so much, but I still think 3 releases (although looking forward to Kuban and always loved that map in the old sim)was necessary to round out the experience. I'm hoping PTO gets the same treatment.
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I'm not an Eastern Front guy so much, but I still think 3 releases (although looking forward to Kuban and always loved that map in the old sim)was necessary to round out the experience. I'm hoping PTO gets the same treatment. Same here. Three releases seems to be able to at least partially flesh out the experience.
Trooper117 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Not that into the Eastern Front either... the only areas that did pique my interest however was the 'Barbarossa' operation and the Kuban. Now that the Kuban is on its way it's probably the best option of the Eastern front to get me more interested... I did enjoy flying on the original old IL2 Kuban map (usually in a Spitfire) That said, I have continuously pushed for a North Africa/Med theatre since the start of this version of IL2 came out... I think the feeling of flight and the graphics of this sim are more to my liking and I would like to experience it here, not in CloD... However, as a previous RAF only flyer, the one thing this version of IL2 has kind of pushed me into, is that I have actually found myself flying Luftwaffe aircraft (sacrilege) So, my horizons have broadened due to a lack of RAF planes to fly (however, Spit Vb inbound) and I have to say I have enjoyed learning to fly German planes. My next new area to explore is carrier warfare, again, the Pacific is not an area I would choose to go given a choice, however, I will go with it and see how that turns out. My only previous enjoyment with anything to do with the Pacific was with the Cactus Air Force campaign with the old IL2, that was great, but flying from land based strips, not carriers, as you all know I'm sure. Edited June 10, 2017 by Trooper117 1
9./JG27DefaultFace Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 I think going to the Pacific is definitely a better idea than staying on the Eastern Front, and I understand why they want to do all of it 3 times in a row but I really wonder why they wouldn't choose something that would Involve the English as well. US & UK aircraft on the western front are some of the most beloved WWII fighters of all time (P-47, P-51, P-38, Spitfire, etc etc). I always got the feeling that that market was much larger than those interested in the Pacific. Don't get me wrong, I like carriers and Ive always been more of a US Navy fan than USAF but I think the majority don't see it that way. Theres also plenty of stuff to choose from other than the normal Normandy/France settings. I always thought Norway sounded really interesting. 1
Danziger Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Honestly I wouldn't mind Africa, PTO, Western Europe or wherever as long as we get some other types of aircrafts. The Ju-52 is great with bringing different mission types. We need the allied equivalent Li-2/C-47 and some reconnaissance planes. I see the PBY float planes doing well with the Pacific releases.
Guest deleted@83466 Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Honestly I wouldn't mind Africa, PTO, Western Europe or wherever as long as we get some other types of aircrafts. The Ju-52 is great with bringing different mission types. We need the allied equivalent Li-2/C-47 and some reconnaissance planes. I see the PBY float planes doing well with the Pacific releases. I realize that the PBY was a big player, but what are people going to do, take off before dawn, stare at the sea for 10 hours, and then come back? I had an Aerosoft PBY for FSX and it's a big lumbering Dodo of a plane that can still be fun to fly for flying's sake, but I just don't see how it could be suited for the kind of game we have here, especially multiplayer. Edited June 10, 2017 by Iceworm
Feathered_IV Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 The distances in multiplayer are an order of magnitude smaller than in real life, so speed and time to target is not an issue.
BlitzPig_EL Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 In the modded version of the original IL2 you could fly the PBY and the H8K Emily. The Emily quickly became one of my favorite planes to fly, and yes, in multiplayer. That is me bombing Henderson Field online. BlitzPig_Raven (real pilot) and I would take H8Ks and he would lay out a course and navigate us to the target using a stopwatch, his "whiz wheel" flight computer, and speed and compass heading from the game. We would fly way off the normal routes used by the fighter jocks and come in from odd directions and usually got away with it. The Emily's performance at altitude, and her good defensive armament helped us get away most times. We would often fly 45 min to an hour to get to our target, but take a more direct route home to have a chance of picking up fighter cover from our team. It can be done in multiplayer, if you set your mind to it. 1
Gambit21 Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 An Emily in this sim with the Solomons is my greatest flight sim fantasy. I left 1946 before it became available - I had no idea.
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