why not Africa?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'm fine with the map SDK not being publicly released. 

 

I prefer 777's quality maps and not a bunch of inconsistent, inaccurate maps.

 

I prefer 777 being able to sell their work so that there is at least some financial viability of producing a CFS.

[9./JG27DavidRed]

yeah sure, i prefer quality maps to inaccurate maps as well, i think everybody does, and thats why i also think that an sdk wouldnt be a threat to 777's income...quite the contrary tbh, as for example if there was a quality map done by a communty member, he could probably contact them to sell it as an official product map...

also with their current business model, where they sell a complete package of planes and a map, with the planes not open to an sdk, i dont see how even a quality map made by a third person could be a threat to their income.

also, i prefer to have community maps, even if they are simple, than none at all...but of course, if it really would be a threat to them, which i cant really see how that would be possible, then yeah, i would prefer them to get money for proper work of course.

[Guest deleted@30725]

lol, everyone wants every theater as every thread.

 

Such greed, such content at the moment. I thought what we had was pretty good. We even got summer versions for winter maps.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

yeah sure, i prefer quality maps to inaccurate maps as well, i think everybody does, and thats why i also think that an sdk wouldnt be a threat to 777's income...quite the contrary tbh, as for example if there was a quality map done by a communty member, he could probably contact them to sell it as an official product map...

also with their current business model, where they sell a complete package of planes and a map, with the planes not open to an sdk, i dont see how even a quality map made by a third person could be a threat to their income.

also, i prefer to have community maps, even if they are simple, than none at all...but of course, if it really would be a threat to them, which i cant really see how that would be possible, then yeah, i would prefer them to get money for proper work of course.

You do no need worry about low quality maps because in current model devs have to approve any third party map to anyone be able to use it. But in case of available map SDK we all can try and learn to make good maps that will be approved or in future this obstruction could be lifted. Rof has same map handling model yet there is map SDK avalibe to work with it and I could have it too. How ppl got this tool in first place I don't know because I never saw it for download... Edited April 28, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[VBF-12_Snake9]

 

 

Starting over from scratch and moving to another theatre takes far, far longer and is thus more expensive and a larger risk than using what you already have as a base.

 

I can very easily propose that the reason why the player count is so low is that they decided not to take that risk and stayed in the Russian theatre too long.  (3-4 years)  I've been waiting sense "I flew the Lagg around with no guns" the beginning.  So me and my money are still waiting.            

[ShamrockOneFive]

I can very easily propose that the reason why the player count is so low is that they decided not to take that risk and stayed in the Russian theatre too long.  (3-4 years)  I've been waiting sense "I flew the Lagg around with no guns" the beginning.  So me and my money are still waiting.            

 

That didn't seem to be a huge problem for IL-2 Sturmovik/Forgotten Battles. It was a few years before they offered up the Ace Expansion Pack with some western content.

 

But we do know that a change is coming so that's good!

[VBF-12_Snake9]

I don't think it was a coincident that as soon as a smart business man took control (Jason ), a new theatre was announced.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I have pointed it a couple of times before. All that we really need for Med is map and some objects. Planeset already exists/will exist, since we have all pack of 109s, He-111, Ju-88, Ju-87 D, P-40, Mc.202 and are getting soon Spitfire Vb, A-20G, P-39. Whatever land based machines are released with Pacific they might be relevant to Med just as well. Wildcats for example were used extensively in operation Torch and few later missions over western Africa. 

I hope that at some point community will get a chance to participate more in map development. Since they have to be approved anyway, it assures quality would not be any lesser than what dev team delivers. 

[hames123]

so true, but then the real question is why didn't it get viral the first time with BOS?

after that, the devs did basically the same thing and released BOM, and now BOK, although the map will look quite different, its still the same front. it will attract the same people who already bought into the product, but probably not many new ones. im convinced that VR implementation and their announced FM patch will attract more new customers than BOK...

 

spreading the word is not really easy though. as all my real life friends are not at all interested in flight simulations, and not even my colleagues are, and they are flying prop aircraft everyday for a living.

i bought BOS and BOM, and bought BOS another time as a gift for a sim friend of mine...but he didnt like it, as he was of the opinion that the eastern front is boring. honestly, i wouldnt know where else to spread the word.

 

getting the potential american market on board will be very important, so pacific will be a huge addition to the series, as i said earlier already.although im not sure, that with a pacific scenario, the american market actually will be the biggest party of them, considering the commonwealth countries involved and not to forget japan itself. combine them, and you might have more potential customers than the american market.

still you could attract the american market with a western front as well and additionally get other europeans onboard who for now dont have any connection to the current and upcoming theaters that we know of yet. and this with probably "very little" effort, as its almost only a map thats needed, and a handful aircraft, when we talk about africa. to not use the already developed aircraft in other theaters they were fighting is insane. especially if the devs struggle to survive. this would give them way more revenue than trying to sell the same aircraft to the same people the 10th time in a sale. thats why i think 3times pacific in a row will just keep the other "untouched" market out for too long.

Are Americans so stupid that they do not care about anything that does not showcase them? They do realise that the bulk of WW2 happened on the Eastern Front, and that the Med and the Commonwealth also helped massively? Yet it seems like every war movie has American main characters(worst example being U-521). And now we are having to pander to this "American Audience". I honestly look forward to the PTO, but must we really try to pander to the US audience so much?

[BraveSirRobin]

but must we really try to pander to the US audience so much?

 

If you want lots of American money, yes.  

[Ribbon]

Are Americans so stupid that they do not care about anything that does not showcase them? They do realise that the bulk of WW2 happened on the Eastern Front, and that the Med and the Commonwealth also helped massively? Yet it seems like every war movie has American main characters(worst example being U-521). And now we are having to pander to this "American Audience". I honestly look forward to the PTO, but must we really try to pander to the US audience so much?

If they want it, why not!

Taste is not discussable, btw i would pay double for Pacific theatre at the moment, i grew up on those movies

Variety is very important to please larger audience, and carriers, torpedos and rest of the ships are that variety.

Other than PTO only left in my taste would be chanell map(even i own clod) and mediterranean theatre.

I'm glad jason and dev team already decided to go for PTO after BoK calling it "spirit of '46" which was success and i think it will be again even bigger.

Btw why even discuss it when we know it will be PTO!

[Gambit21]

Are Americans so stupid that they do not care about anything that does not showcase them? They do realise that the bulk of WW2 happened on the Eastern Front, and that the Med and the Commonwealth also helped massively? Yet it seems like every war movie has American main characters(worst example being U-521). And now we are having to pander to this "American Audience". I honestly look forward to the PTO, but must we really try to pander to the US audience so much?

 

That's a huge, huge leap that you made there from his post.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Smart business is to find what people want and sell it to them. Lol

 

Maybe there's alot of dumb business in your neck of the woods.

[Lusekofte]

To me it is the history that counts, what I relate to. It is only polygons we are looking at,(or whatever their called) I like carrier based operations occasional, I like very much mountain or at least a little elevation in the map, we are getting that. So Kuban and Pasific is going to cover what I in my opinion lack, in terms of terreign and operation. 

After that it is the planes. Well they probably will come too. I hope most of them will be my cup of tea, but I do not think so, not many weirdo´s here like me and my  ridiculous taste for planes

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

i guess 777 would make ghe msot money with a "Battel of Normandie"

Based on the heavy airfights in June, July and a bit August 1944. It was a malestrom for the Jagdwaffe......

 

personally i am ok with Midway!

Edited May 1, 2017 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[Scojo]

Are Americans so stupid that they do not care about anything that does not showcase them? They do realise that the bulk of WW2 happened on the Eastern Front, and that the Med and the Commonwealth also helped massively? Yet it seems like every war movie has American main characters(worst example being U-521). And now we are having to pander to this "American Audience". I honestly look forward to the PTO, but must we really try to pander to the US audience so much?

Are you too stupid to realize that the theatre switch isn't only about getting American hardware and war history in the game?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Are Americans so stupid that they do not care about anything that does not showcase them? They do realise that the bulk of WW2 happened on the Eastern Front, and that the Med and the Commonwealth also helped massively? Yet it seems like every war movie has American main characters(worst example being U-521). And now we are having to pander to this "American Audience". I honestly look forward to the PTO, but must we really try to pander to the US audience so much?

 

It's gonna be ok, bud... Take a seat up on the stage...

 

[Jade_Monkey]

I have pointed it a couple of times before. All that we really need for Med is map and some objects. Planeset already exists/will exist, since we have all pack of 109s, He-111, Ju-88, Ju-87 D, P-40, Mc.202 and are getting soon Spitfire Vb, A-20G, P-39. Whatever land based machines are released with Pacific they might be relevant to Med just as well. Wildcats for example were used extensively in operation Torch and few later missions over western Africa.

I hope that at some point community will get a chance to participate more in map development. Since they have to be approved anyway, it assures quality would not be any lesser than what dev team delivers.

Im 100% with you.

 

Hopefully someone with the skills and resources can make the map.

[Blitzen]

Probably mentioned elsewhere ...but CloD's next upgrade will be Tunisia.Just not sure when.

[Guest deleted@1562]

If we get "lively" carriers with animated flight deck crews, lifts and cats I very much prefer the Pacific over North Africa. That's something that hasn't been done yet in any combat flight sim.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Operating elevators I can't see happening. 

 

That would require modeling the hangar deck in detail that would be satisfying to all of us picky flight sim fans.  An aircraft carrier is going to have a whole lot of polys as it is.  Then there is the problem of spawning in that confined space.  It will make the mayhem on deck we have seen in past versions of IL2 seem like being alone in a raft in the Pacific.

 

Cats can be done, but they really are not necessary unless the ship is a static object, or we somehow end up in Korea with F9 Panthers.

[Gambit21]

If we get "lively" carriers with animated flight deck crews, lifts and cats I very much prefer the Pacific over North Africa. That's something that hasn't been done yet in any combat flight sim.

Not going to happen. They don't have that kind of budget.

[Gambit21]

...and even just the elevator is pointless if you've read up in how spotting and launching worked aboard a Japanese carrier. It's impossible to represent unless you devoted massive resources to just this small aspect alone.

[Uufflakke]

About elevators, animated flight deck crew, firing guns and other carrier operations Jason said something about it in the Q&A on Sept. the 10th.

They want to make it all as realistic as possible without sacrificing too much on performance. But a lot is still unsure.

 

 Carrier part at 2h:08m:44s

 

https://youtu.be/nhHmIxmnTEw?t=2h8m44s

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2017 by Uufflakke

[Gambit21]

Yeah I know...it's the "as possible" part that's key.

[Gambit21]

...also Wittman...(typing on my phone earlier so had to keep it short) it took something like a good 30-40 minutes or more to spot and launch a flight, with the crew members scurrying around like ants moving all of the

aircraft around like a giant puzzle, getting them prepped and on the elevator. There's just no way to represent that, and not desirable from a game play

standpoint anway. To boot, the pilots didn't ride up the elevator inside the cockpit, they climbed inside their aircraft after this complex process was completed, with a warmed up engine.

 

I suggest giving "Shattered Sword" a read, as this process is outlined in detail.

[Feathered_IV]

...and even just the elevator is pointless if you've read up in how spotting and launching worked aboard a Japanese carrier. It's impossible to represent unless you devoted massive resources to just this small aspect alone.

 

Walking (or running) across the flight deck and climbing up into the aircraft would work for me.

[Danziger]

Being an anti aircraft gunner on a ship would be awesome.

[dburne]

I can certainly say, I am most excited about going to the Pacific!

[InProgress]

I would like to see greece/creta. We already have planes, probably would not work as big dlc but a smaller one with cool campaign :] that's my dream

[Lusekofte]

I find any request for walking to the plane and jump in to it a bit strange , when request about startup procedure is negatively commented by the same people.

Walking is fine , but not the procedure. Even if it was a option like in DCS

 

[Gambit21]

LuseKofte,

 

Once again - the pilot did not start the engine.

[InProgress]

I would like walking and start up procedure (: also little guys fighting on the ground like in dcs

[BMA_FlyingShark]

 

 

cats

I for one, will refuse to shoot even a single bullet towards those little purring beings.

I actually consider them being a superior life form.

 

  

[Gambit21]

I would like walking and start up procedure (: also little guys fighting on the ground like in dcs

Sure - maybe we should simulate cleaning the canopy and changing the spark plugs too. The ground crews did that but I guess it doesn't matter.

 

I'm not saying engine start-up doesn't have it's place anywhere in the sim, but you guys need to get a handle on what actually did and did not occur during WWII carrier ops and use that as your benchmark, rather than things that did not occur.

 

Crews, got to their aircraft basically at the last minute with the engines running and warmed.

 

Probably the most realistic depiction would be slamming down a bowl of rice in the mess hall, running out to the flight deck and jumping in your warmed up Zeke.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Gambit21

[InProgress]

So? We don't have ready to start planes, so it's not historical anyway. Start up is fun, i don't really care if pilot did that and i doubt transport pilots or bombers had already started planes, anyway we can fly choose even official skins that aren't historical. It's about fun not about making it 100% real.

Edited May 4, 2017 by InProgress

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Start up is fun,

 

-snip-

 

It's about fun not about making it 100% real.

 

Not it's not.

 

It's about fun, not about making it 100% real.

[InProgress]

Eee? Just because it's not fun for you does not mean it's not fun for others. If start up would be added I don't think they would remove "click I" to start everything. So I don't know why are you complaining.

[dburne]

So? We don't have ready to start planes, so it's not historical anyway. Start up is fun, i don't really care if pilot did that and i doubt transport pilots or bombers had already started planes, anyway we can fly choose even official skins that aren't historical. It's about fun not about making it 100% real.

 

I agree, I myself enjoy somewhat of a start up procedure.

We had a long thread on this type of subject some time ago, and IIRC Jason pretty much stated there was no way they were going to spend any time implementing something like this in BoS.

 

Se we will need to be happy with pressing a button to start, which I am fine with as well.

I would love to see it, but not sounding like it will happen anytime in the foreseeable future.

Edited May 4, 2017 by dburne

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Once again - the pilot did not start the engine.

 

Once again Gambit, you are wrong. And I like to have that feature, it is simply nothing you can do about it, I still like to have it. Like you I am a paying customer, I am entiteled to wish just as much as you and space.  Even though you two like to think otherwise