Upgrade i74770 CPU for VR?

[Wolf8312]

I have 980Ti i74770, was wondering if it would be possible to upgrade to one of the fastest CPUs on the market today, and if so would I see a big increase in performance. I could buy a new fan and overclock I suppose but I'd rather get something more powerful altogether if I have to go through all the trouble, thing is these days whether it's GPU or CPU the games themselves never seem to utilize the system to the best of its capability, so would I see Bedford for something like BOS/DCS?

Oh and if so,which CPU would you recommend. Not sure if I'd have to get a new motherboard or not.

Edited April 22, 2017 by TheNoobleWurtha

[Wolf8312]

I was thinking i7-7700?

[xDeadMan]

You could hit a safe OC of 4.2 on that and not have to upgrade. 4770 is a 1150 socket, Im almost certain. 7700 amd the sorts are 1151 sockets. So youd have to get a no motherboard also. Which then youd probably want to invest in ddr4 ram/

 

If you dont want to replace the motherboard 4790k is a 1150 socket at that competes with all latest CPUs. Other than slight changes these new cpus are basically rehashes. I wouldnt upgrade to a 1151 unless you plan on doing a whole new rig.

 

My 4790k is OCs at 4.6 on air. No issues.

 

Upgrade the Graphics card to a ten series preferably a 1070-180 if you want to use VR with Il2.

Edited April 22, 2017 by -SOLO-HPV

[Wolf8312]

To be honest the graphics card is just fine and the game runs very well in VR, I think a new GPU would only be of minimal gains as most of the time BOS runs at 90 fps just dips down the 45 when there is a lot of activity. Will hold offf until I get a whole new rig I think in about 2 years.

[xDeadMan]

And make sure you put an aftermarket fan on all CPUS overclocked or not.  Stock fans are trrash and will ruin your cpu due to heat and will trash your experience. Run AIDA64 for benchmarks and heat with your cpu. Leave it running for a few hours. Id use AIDA64 before other benchamrks because its a realistic stress of your cpu.

980TI is a beast card. I agree there is no reasons to replace it other than the pascal architecture is designed for VR. Good flying,, have fun!

 

You actually see somewhere around a 30% performance boost with a 1080 compared to the 980ti. GPUs are almost always the cause of bottlenecks.

Edited April 22, 2017 by -SOLO-HPV

[Ribbon]

For VR; gtx1080ti, i7 7700k, 1551 mobo for OC and fast ddr4 ram 3000+ mhz and ssd.

Upgrade it right or don't upgrade.

Yo7 can go with cpu for now but it will help only with performance when many AI and explosion in game, but gpu will be biggest upgrade for VR.

[xDeadMan]

Not everyone has 2300 dollars to spend.

[kendo]

... would I see a big increase in performance....

 

According to this ....no.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

[xDeadMan]

Also ram speed is useless. Someone somewhere might make use of it but it most likely wont be you using VR/

Edited April 22, 2017 by -SOLO-HPV

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Ram speed is not useless
3000mhz ram is not just twice as fast as 1500mhz ram its more like 3.5 times as fast.

Specially when it comes to Vram.

[dburne]

To be honest the graphics card is just fine and the game runs very well in VR, I think a new GPU would only be of minimal gains as most of the time BOS runs at 90 fps just dips down the 45 when there is a lot of activity. Will hold offf until I get a whole new rig I think in about 2 years.

 

Probably the wisest choice.

 

I do think you would see a significant gain in going 1080 for GPU at some point between now and then...

[coconut]

 

 

GPUs are almost always the cause of bottlenecks

 

Not in this game. It's bottlenecked by CPUs, and can't take fully advantage of more cores. High single-core performance overclocked intel procs seem to be the way to go, but I don't think OP has much to gain. About 16% improvement, if I believe benchmarks.

[xDeadMan]

Ram speed is not useless

3000mhz ram is not just twice as fast as 1500mhz ram its more like 3.5 times as fast.

 

Specially when it comes to Vram.

Doesnt matter. That breaks down to literally nothing in relation to videogames.

[Vasher_In_VR]

OP, alot of misinformation here. Don't upgrade your cpu! CPU have barely change over the past 4 years. If anything get the 1080ti.

 

However I have the 1080ti and play with 1.5 SS. AA OFF and settings Balanced. I get 90fps with hud off. And I get 55 to 90 with hud on and asw off. I think VR is better with ASW off and frames moving some. A drop to 80fps is almost not noticeable compared to asw dropping to 45.

[Wolf8312]

You're right cocunut I could bankrupt my family for a few months just to be able to say hum it is smoother!

 

If I was rich yeah I'd get a new rig with a spanking new 180Ti and yes would probably see an improvement,  but after reading this week that a game like BOS still needs to rely on reprojection I was rather surprised. If I spent so much, so soon, after already spending so much last year on VR and a new GPU, then guaranteed I'd be gutted the next year when a more powerful card or headset came out. Not gonna get caugt in a cycle like that!

 

Right now both GPU and CPU for some reason are not the answer for these sims, so the question is what is? Seems to me at the moment no card in the universe could solve this problem?

 

Is it possible we already have powerful enough systems and we just need to wait for further optimizations? That is my biggest hope anyway, or at the very least that DCS 2 when it finally gets released in 30 years time will be as smooth as BOS/M is right now. Battle of stalingrad is to be honest for me almost perfect anyway I wouldnt have minded upgrading my CPU if it was a case of slotting a new one into my MB with a significant upgrade, but you guys have helped me to see that my next CPU will be my next computer.

 

My next computer I want to be able to run these two games (especially DCS) at constant 90 fps, but if no such thing exists right now, the only sensible thing to do is wait and hope that in a few years there will be a card powerful enough to meet my expectations. If I jump now then thats my computer for the next 3-5 years and as I found out with the 980Ti (bought last year lol) with VR and this new tech pushing our systems to breaking point if you are a VR gamer fully signed up and sold, then these beast cards will be outdated in a year and you'll be pining for the next one.

OP, alot of misinformation here. Don't upgrade your cpu! CPU have barely change over the past 4 years. If anything get the 1080ti.

However I have the 1080ti and play with 1.5 SS. AA OFF and settings Balanced. I get 90fps with hud off. And I get 55 to 90 with hud on and asw off. I think VR is better with ASW off and frames moving some. A drop to 80fps is almost not noticeable compared to asw dropping to 45.

 

 

So over busy airports with many planes flying around how about the performance then dude? Can it hold 80-90 then? 

[Wolf8312]

Game runs almost perfectly in campaign mode, tried multiplayer with many many planes and no problems there. Only thing I found makes it constantly struggle and kick in dynamic res is the Autumn SP campaign. Give that one a go and report back the results with the 1080 Ti Vasher. Just tried a Stuka dive bombing mission in VR using the attack siren! incredible!

[FuriousMeow]

Not in this game. It's bottlenecked by CPUs, and can't take fully advantage of more cores. High single-core performance overclocked intel procs seem to be the way to go, but I don't think OP has much to gain. About 16% improvement, if I believe benchmarks.

 

That is completely false. This title is highly optimized for multiple cores.

 

16) Will be improve support for multi-core processors in the new game engine? My computer has 6 cores, but ROF uses only 2.

 

No, the implementation of multi-core remains the same. The best would be a 4-core processor.

Edited April 22, 2017 by FuriousMeow

[Nibbio]

That is completely false. This title is highly optimized for multiple cores.

 

16) Will be improve support for multi-core processors in the new game engine? My computer has 6 cores, but ROF uses only 2.

 

No, the implementation of multi-core remains the same. The best would be a 4-core processor.

 

I agree, the bottleneck appears to be the GPU; extensive monitoring of IL2 BOS VR with MSI Afterburner shows my GTX 1060 almost maxed out 90-100%, while the i7 3820 chugs along at 50%.

Consider that the i7 3820, although OC'ed, is a 2011 vintage CPU

Edited April 23, 2017 by Nibbio

[Vasher_In_VR]

So over busy airports with many planes flying around how about the performance then dude? Can it hold 80-90 then?

It does not, on wings of liberty server it does not anyway. Server Ping could be effecting fps also. Take off I'm getting like 45 to 70 fps. Then once in the air it creeps up to 90fps.

 

I have changed my setting now. I use the terrian.cfg edit and balanced. With x4 distance and 1.3 SS. Even then I'm getting like 55 to 90 on take off. However once in the air with HUD off I am hitting 90fps and even with the hud on I am getting good fps. It's a cockpit game, so frame dips are not unplayable per say. The game is very demanding though. It look good with 1.3 SS and it's easier to spot then 1.5.

 

 

On less busy servers im getting 90 everywhere without hud, with hud im getting 70+ at ground lvl then creeping up to 90.

Edited April 23, 2017 by Vasher_In_VR

[coconut]

 

 

I agree, the bottleneck appears to be the GPU; extensive monitoring of IL2 BOS VR with MSI Afterburner shows my GTX 1060 almost maxed out 90-100%, while the i7 3820 chugs along at 50%.

 

Unless you have disabled hyperthreading, 50% means 4 physical cores used, which as the angry cat so diplomatically pointed out is the max the game can do at the moment. It's actually higher than I've personally seen, you are "lucky" in that sense. I would say your CPU and your card are pretty well matched.

 

I'm surprised the GTX 1060 looks so busy, I wonder what resolution you are running at?

[Nibbio]

Unless you have disabled hyperthreading, 50% means 4 physical cores used, which as the angry cat so diplomatically pointed out is the max the game can do at the moment. It's actually higher than I've personally seen, you are "lucky" in that sense. I would say your CPU and your card are pretty well matched.

 

I'm surprised the GTX 1060 looks so busy, I wonder what resolution you are running at?

 

I was talking about VR. I'm running 1.5 SS on the HMD+2xAAingame and 800x600 on the monitor mirror. Actually the 1060 rarely peaks at 100% (the game menus seem to be the worst, for some strange reason), I'd say it averages 80%, while the CPU may peak at 50% but runs closer to 40% average. Hyperthreading is on, and the GTX 1060 is the cheapo MSI Gaming 3Gb model.

[FuriousMeow]

Unless you have disabled hyperthreading, 50% means 4 physical cores used, which as the angry cat so diplomatically pointed out is the max the game can do at the moment. It's actually higher than I've personally seen, you are "lucky" in that sense. I would say your CPU and your card are pretty well matched.

 

I'm surprised the GTX 1060 looks so busy, I wonder what resolution you are running at?

 

Huh, I disabled HT and all 4 cores get used above 50%. I'm not sure where you are getting your misleading information from, but it's totally bunk. Also, even if all cores aren't always above x%, that doesn't mean anything. Just shows a lack of understanding of how processing works.

 

By the way, HT doesn't work for games. HT is for idle cycles, which most games don't have. Go ahead, look it up - HT is worthless for games. That's why my i7 is set to HT disabled - saves on heat, allows for higher overclocks which matter more across 4 cores.

Edited April 28, 2017 by FuriousMeow

[dburne]

I have HT disabled as well...

[coconut]

Huh, I disabled HT and all 4 cores get used above 50%

 

You must have misread what I wrote.

 

Unless you have disabled hyperthreading, 50% means 4 physical cores used

 

In other words, "if you have hyperthreading enabled, 50% CPU utilization means 4 physical cores used".

 

And if that wasn't clear, with the second half I implied "and that's all you can get from a 4-core cpu with hyperthreading", because getting more would mean your game is benefiting from hyperthreading, which is known to be rare for games.