Developer Diary, Part 156 - Discussion

[gnomechompsky]

Really good news, to be honest I much prefer getting additions to the core game like mirrors, tac views than new planes.  

[Thad]

The P 40 had a mirror too, I hope they add it to the sim.

 

  

Wow... finally, something good for the P40? The poor P40.

Naw.. the P40 won't get a mirror.

[JG333petzen]

Thx Han for the news!

For the effecivity of the mirrows: I would assume that due to the vibration of the engine the picture of the mirror should not be the same stabil one known form a car

[Rjel]

I'm excited about the mirrors. I feel lost in the 109, even with Trackir. I guess I'm not even sure if the Bf-109 used mirrors in RL. But I think it's another step towards an immersive experience for me.

 

Good update. As per usual.

[Chief_Mouser]

Considering AI gunners don't warn you in any helpful way or even on time, I wish I could replace them with mirrors

 

Very true, but I hop in and out of the back seat quite a lot, just to check...

[Jade_Monkey]

Considering AI gunners don't warn you in any helpful way or even on time, I wish I could replace them with mirrors

Actually if you order them to fire at will and at a long distance they are very effective as alerts. The radio also gives away enemies if you have a gunner.

[Scojo]

Actually if you order them to fire at will and at a long distance they are very effective as alerts. The radio also gives away enemies if you have a gunner.

Can you give me your radio? I apparently don't get one in my planes.

 

My gunner usually finally says something when I've already got a hole or two in my plane, if he says anything at all.

 

I don't like to have my gunner at long range as he'll use all his ammo with no chance of ever hitting anything

[=FI=Blue2]

 

With the long cockpit the yak looks like the soccer mom van of all fighters.

 

True, and with twin 12.7mm UB's (300 rounds each) and a 20 mm (140 rounds), she's my kind 'o minivan!  "Move over, let daddy drive!"

 

Naw.. the P40 won't get a mirror.

 

Hmmm... care to wager on that??  I'll bet she not only gets her mirror, but eventually new engine parameters too, if we're patient.  Fingers crossed!

 

Han, thanks for another great update!  Excited to learn about that new tool for visualizing fights.  Sounds like an awesome learning tool.  All the rest was great to read about too.

[Scojo]

Hmmm... care to wager on that??  I'll bet she not only gets her mirror, but eventually new engine parameters too, if we're patient.  Fingers crossed!

Doesn't that depend on whether or not the E models given to Russia had them?

[Jade_Monkey]

 

I don't like to have my gunner at long range as he'll use all his ammo with no chance of ever hitting anything

Well you have to choose whether you want to be warned, or have ammo left but be riddled with holes. I prefer the first option, better chances of success.

[ECV56_Diskey]

I prefer a Yak 9 without mirror...

[=FI=Blue2]

Doesn't that depend on whether or not the E models given to Russia had them?

Absolutely.  I have no idea for certain, just always had the impression that Curtis put these on as a standard item.  Could be wrong about that which would play into what Russia received.  Either way, a pretty cheap addition if the pilots wanted them.  Guess we'll find out!

[616Sqn_Johnny-Red]

Excellent news on progress with mirror implementation. That was always an essential in Il-2 1946.

 

As for TacView, I'd never heard of it until I googled the new files that were created in my tracks folder. It should offer us an interesting view of combat data in the abstract. History Chanel dogfights move over.

 

On that front, will we be getting player names and factions reinstated on old tracks, or get them fixed going forwards?

 

Also, I have to say I'm really looking forward to the expansion of the Allied plane set. The current Allied plane sets are beautiful, but I'm aching to get my hands on the machines in development.

 

On the subject of the Yak-7b, what I'd really love though is a dual control version so I can teach my youngest the old fashioned way. I can't really overstate what a joy that would be. Plan to make a dual control Yak-7 and you can take my money right now...

 

JR

[LukeFF]

Nice!

 

What planes do have mirrors btw?

 

 

Spit and Yak7 are the two I know of

 

Probably the Hs 129 as well:

 

[Art]

Some 109 had mirros too .. 

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Just don´t  forget to include 111s mirror too. No bombers prejudice please or I will need to use my secret weapon to fix things here      

 

Edited April 20, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[pilotpierre]

I sincerely hope you guys each make a lot of money out of your efforts, you certainly deserve it. Vive les Devs.

 

Ever since this sim was first released with the Lagg3 there has always been something on the horizon to look forward to - dev updates and the actual updates.

 

To me (a 70 yr old child) its like having several Xmases a year.

Edited April 20, 2017 by pilotpierre

[dburne]

I sincerely hope you guys each make a lot of money out of your efforts, you certainly deserve it. Vive les Devs.

 

Ever since this sim was first released with the Lagg3 there has always been something on the horizon to look forward to - dev updates and the actual updates.

 

To me (a 70 yr old child) its like having several Xmases a year.

 

Ah I so remember those days, in Early Access when we first got to fly the Lagg3.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I sincerely hope you guys each make a lot of money out of your efforts, you certainly deserve it. Vive les Devs.

 

Ever since this sim was first released with the Lagg3 there has always been something on the horizon to look forward to - dev updates and the actual updates.

 

To me (a 70 yr old child) its like having several Xmases a year.

 

I feel the same way

[RAY-EU]

Bf 109E

 

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.dHmAvwYsYceAC6GWWRoAxgEsC6&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

Edited April 21, 2017 by RAY-EU

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Great pictures on the Yak-7B!

 

 

About mirror limitation... I hope they will reflect the own plane... because (at least for how they are implemented in IL-2 1946, don't know if it's accurate though) some mirrors show quite a bit of the player's plane and not having them would "delete" these blind spots and make the pilot able to see things he really shouldn't, specially on planes that have the mirror outside of the canopy... plus if it has a performance cost it would be nice to have an option to take them off, or even having an optional simplified rendering, like in IL-2 1946:

 

Spit mk V:

 

 

 

 

 

P-40:

 

 

 

 

 

Rendering options,

 

Full render:

 

 

 

Minimal render in that very same place (no ground objects, not even runway texture!, only air objects are shown):

 

 

 

 

 

I really like how mirrors work in this old sim, they take into account the pilot's position and when moving around in the cockpit the image changes accordingly, it has lower resolution though (good thing it makes it easier to spot bandits on your six ) so if you guys can make it to work similar to the old one I would be very thankful

 

 

 

[Uufflakke]

216th_Pinko, on 21 Apr 2017 - 09:22, said:

Mirrors will be a really nice addition; I do like to see what is killing me.

 

Looking forward to them.

 

Looking backward to them you mean.

(To see what is killing you.)

 

Sorry couldn't resist.

[FlyingNutcase]

Filing this one at the intersection of "Huh." and "Neat!"

 

Filing this one at the intersection of "Great" and "Awesome!". TacView implementation is huuuuuuuge, not just for personal analysis but to attract non-IL2ers. 

 

MagsTV TacView intro:

Edited April 21, 2017 by FlyingNutcase

[Jade_Monkey]

Looks interesting. Will IL2 be supported under the free version of tacview?

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The free version on Tacview should work with BOS as the free version for other sims just has reduced features.

 

Tacview I think is epic news as we will be properly be able to scientifically analyses FMs. People won't be able to speculate with out posting a Tacview report!!!!

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

The free version on Tacview should work with BOS as the free version for other sims just has reduced features.

 

Tacview I think is epic news as we will be properly be able to scientifically analyses FMs. People won't be able to speculate with out posting a Tacview report!!!!

This, certainly.

[AstrixAU]

Any word on whether there are plans for a bubble canopy Yak-7? It is my favourite Yak.

Yeah I was surprised it wasn't a bubble canopy too.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yeah I was surprised it wasn't a bubble canopy too.

 

In the pre-order they showed us a conventional Yak-7 with no bubble canopy. I'd be surprised if they said that the bubble version was going to be available as well though it would be nice.

 

The bubble canopy versions are basically early Yak-9s in everything but name.

[AstrixAU]

In the pre-order they showed us a conventional Yak-7 with no bubble canopy. I'd be surprised if they said that the bubble version was going to be available as well though it would be nice.

 

The bubble canopy versions are basically early Yak-9s in everything but name.

 

Yeah I wasn't following which model of the Yak will be in Koban as I haven't yet got it I just was surprised looking at it as a progression. I am surprised that they had good visibility with the Yak 1b but later lost it again, I would have thought they would keep the visibility.

Edited May 3, 2017 by =WFPK=astrix_au

[Dutchvdm]

Yeah I wasn't following which model of the Yak will be in Koban as I haven't yet got it I just was surprised looking at it as a progression. I am surprised that they had good visibility with the Yak 1b but later lost it again, I would have thought they would keep the visibility.

 

I don't believe it's like that. The Yak 7 and 1 models are two separate models. The Yak-7 is not the successor to the Yak-1. The where produced next to one another because the Yak-7 (Trainer actually) was almost as good as a fighter as the Yak-1. And i would think that the Yak-1B we have will be off the same timeframe as the Yak-7B or even later. Maybe someone can confirm. 

 

Grt M

[EAF_Starfire]

Will the Yak-7b get dual control?

EAF have a teaching organisation which require new pilots got through a training program and a two seat fighter trainer would help a lot 

 

[Brano]

Yak-7B series 36

Zavod 153 Novosibirsk

Production January 1943

 

Yak-1b series 127

Zavod 292 Saratov

Production March 1943

[Dutchvdm]

 

Yak-7B series 36

Zavod 153 Novosibirsk

Production January 1943

 

Yak-1b series 127

Zavod 292 Saratov

Production March 1943

 

 

Thnx, i knew you would show up  .

 

Grt M

[Brano]

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yeah I wasn't following which model of the Yak will be in Koban as I haven't yet got it I just was surprised looking at it as a progression. I am surprised that they had good visibility with the Yak 1b but later lost it again, I would have thought they would keep the visibility.

 

I know the other guys sort of answered this already but its really important to understand the Yak series as being derived from the same I-26 prototype but then having divergent evolution after that. Both series improved separately (though sharing quite a bit). The Yak-7UTI was a trainer and that resulted in the Yak-7A which fought over Moscow in 1941, the Yak-7B which showed up early in 1942 and the version we have which is a fairly refined version of the Yak-7B with better engine and other refinements from early 1943 production. Eventually all of the factories building Yak-7 variants would switch to one version or another of the Yak-9 but that took quite a while. Some Yak-7Bs were produced with bubble canopies and are essentially Yak-9s... the transition was gradual rather than a hard stop on the 7 and a start to the 9.

 

Yak-1 production went on with its own pace too and those eventually became the precursors to the Yak-3.

 

It's an odd bit of business trying to keep it all straight to be sure

[Brano]

Will the Yak-7b get dual control?

EAF have a teaching organisation which require new pilots got through a training program and a two seat fighter trainer would help a lot 

No. Dual controls were on dedicated Yak-7 UTI version. Built originaly in Moscow GAZ 301 plant at Khimki.After war begun,it was evacuated to Novosibirsk on premises of Zavod 153. From may 1942,there was a more simplified version developed,Yak-7V,that has fixed undercarriage. Alltogether 783 trainig versions were built from May 1941 till december 1943. 186 were Yak-7 UTI,the rest Yak-7V,

[Brano]

I know the other guys sort of answered this already but its really important to understand the Yak series as being derived from the same I-26 prototype but then having divergent evolution after that.

Ehm,not really. There were 2 separate dedicated prototypes from Yakovlev OKB:

I-26 = Yak-1

I-27 (renamed UTI-26) = Yak-7 UTI two-seat advanced trainer and later single seat fighter conversion of Yak-7A

 

In fact Yakovlev submitted 2 more prototypes in 1940-41,but their further development was discontinued.

I-28 = high altitude interceptor for PVO

I-30 = heavy frontline fighter with strong canon armament to combat bombers and armored ground vehicles

[ShamrockOneFive]

Ehm,not really. There were 2 separate dedicated prototypes from Yakovlev OKB:

I-26 = Yak-1

I-27 (renamed UTI-26) = Yak-7 UTI two-seat advanced trainer and later single seat fighter conversion of Yak-7A

 

In fact Yakovlev submitted 2 more prototypes in 1940-41,but their further development was discontinued.

I-28 = high altitude interceptor for PVO

I-30 = heavy frontline fighter with strong canon armament to combat bombers and armored ground vehicles

 

Yakolev designed the I-26 first and then began work on the I-27 which was then later redesignated UTI-26. The I-26 designation was used for the first two prototypes. The UTI-26/I-27 designation was used for the third and four prototypes that were given the dual controls.

 

I was attempting to get at the point that both serial Yak-1 and Yak-7 development trace their origins to the original I-26 design.