LA5 smoother, less stutter, trees look good...

[seafireliv]

Decided to have a late night flight with the patch... An entire mission from takeoff to landing.

 

LA5 was way smoother to fly, not wobbling so much... Maybe it was the changes made to the ForceFeedback? All felt real good, even shot a 109 down.. eventually.

 

Trees looked much better close, none of that weird effect they had before.

 

However, there was some initial stutter. I wonder if it was the Sharpening option that I chose in graphics? it settled by mid mission, but I will have to test more before coming to any conclusions.

 

Was searching hard for my airfield on the way back and in the distance, saw those flares. Gotta love that.

 

Also graphics were very, very nice. maybe I`ll pop up a screenshot.

 

So far nice.

 

As for VR, i`ll let others go on about that, highly unlikely i`ll ever use it.

[SAG]

have you tested a bit more? 

was it the FF or the FM that was polished?

[Boaty-McBoatface]

There were no flight model changes.

Edited April 12, 2017 by B0SS

[ShamrockOneFive]

Maybe the OP hasn't flown the La-5 since before 2.008? There were some minor changes to the La-5 then.

[9./JG27DavidRed]

There were no flight model changes.

 

not in the changelog, but there are definitely changes on the 109-F4 FM.

[Jade_Monkey]

There were no flight model changes.

Hahaha i love it that you are posting this to everyone claiming FM changes. It's so funny (in a good way).

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

not in the changelog, but there are definitely changes on the 109-F4 FM.

 

No there are not.

 

I wish I could experience the blissful placebo affect that some users get. Jealous... 

Edited April 12, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Decided to have a late night flight with the patch... An entire mission from takeoff to landing.

 

LA5 was way smoother to fly, not wobbling so much... Maybe it was the changes made to the ForceFeedback? All felt real good, even shot a 109 down.. eventually.

 

Trees looked much better close, none of that weird effect they had before.

 

However, there was some initial stutter. I wonder if it was the Sharpening option that I chose in graphics? it settled by mid mission, but I will have to test more before coming to any conclusions.

 

Was searching hard for my airfield on the way back and in the distance, saw those flares. Gotta love that.

 

Also graphics were very, very nice. maybe I`ll pop up a screenshot.

 

So far nice.

 

As for VR, i`ll let others go on about that, highly unlikely i`ll ever use it.

I don't think it is the sharpener. I think it is the frame rate stabilizer (don't remember what it is really called I'm not at home). I deselected it and turned on VSync and got rid of my micro-stutters. Didn't test further and your mileage may vary.

[seafireliv]

Hmmm. I`ll have to experiment to see what caused the stutter.

 

I dunno what it was with the LA5, maybe I was struggling with bad weather (winds) in the previous mission? It was just handling superbly well yesterday on full difficulty.

[9./JG27DavidRed]

No there are not.

 

I wish I could experience the blissful placebo affect that some users get. Jealous... 

 

if you cant feel a difference now, than either you never fly the 109F4, or you never felt the plane.

i can only speak for the 109F4, but there its definitely not a placebo.

Edited April 13, 2017 by 9./JG27DavidRed

[Boaty-McBoatface]

if you cant feel a difference now, than either you never fly the 109F4, or you never felt the plane.

i can only speak for the 109F4, but there its definitely not a placebo.

 

 

The excitement of a new patch right there my friend.

 

There were no flight model changes.

Edited April 13, 2017 by B0SS

[9./JG27DavidRed]

you can stay in denial however long you want....doesnt change the fact, that there were changes to it....my friend

[Boaty-McBoatface]

you can stay in denial however long you want....doesnt change the fact, that there were changes to it....my friend

 

 

My friend, I've been mistaken.

 

2.009b

 

12. Bf 109 F-4 performance fixed;

 

 

Could the developers please care to explain these performance changes? Why were flight models changed without details provided in the changelog?

Edited April 13, 2017 by B0SS

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Guys it could be a bug..

There was also no mention about making the map screen slow and jittery but they did.
There was also no mention about braking map markers but they did.

It's possible that while correcting Rudder forces on 109 they accidently changed something else.

[9./JG27DavidRed]

no worries BOSS...wonder what the performance change is,...but thats not what im speaking about....im more speaking about ailerons and rudder coordination, which is a whole lot smoother...you can test this pretty nice, with entering a proper sideslip, where before, you would likely roll into the rudder side...now the ailerons can hold the slip at most speeds. at very low speeds, the ailerons become less effective, and rudder dominates, just like it should be....

Edited April 13, 2017 by 9./JG27DavidRed

[Boaty-McBoatface]

no worries BOSS...wonder what the performance change is,...but thats not what im speaking about....im more speaking about ailerons and rudder coordination, which is a whole lot smoother...you can test this pretty nice, with entering a proper sideslip, where before, you would likely roll into the rudder side...now the ailerons can hold the slip at most speeds. at very low speeds, the ailerons become less effective, and rudder dominates, just like it should be....

 

 

That's good stuff man, thanks for the summary.

[9./JG27DavidRed]

unfortunately not....their so called "fix" brought back the strange whobbling and rudder coordination is back to old as well....really depressing stuff....

[ShamrockOneFive]

unfortunately not....their so called "fix" brought back the strange whobbling and rudder coordination is back to old as well....really depressing stuff....

Nothing has changed with the Bf109 FM.

 

Jason said the F-4 ended up being too slow. I'm guessing something in the code that wasn't supposed to be but it was fixed immediately. In software there are lots of dependencies and so it's very easy to break stuff without meaning to.

 

We're still waiting on the rudder FM fix which may be much more positive for the Bf109 after that arrives.

Edited April 14, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[9./JG27DavidRed]

whether it was on purpose or not, there was definitely a change of it with the original 2009 patch.

but it doesnt matter now anyways, as we are back to original whobble and rolling rudder with little yaw.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Do you mean before the 2.009 hotfixes? Maybe they accidentally rolled in some unfinished FM changes that are forthcoming with the rudder update.

[9./JG27DavidRed]

yes, and they way it felt, im convinced this couldnt be a bug, but was probably indeed a part of the announced FM changes, which accidentially went into the patch. unfortunately, its gone again since the hotfixes...it really felt great.

[Lusekofte]

I do not fly fighters quite often, but ws not the wobbeling reduced in one of the latest patches . I do not think it is placebo

[ShamrockOneFive]

I do not fly fighters quite often, but ws not the wobbeling reduced in one of the latest patches . I do not think it is placebo

 

Not yet. They are working on a change to the rudders and how fuselage stability is calculated. This has to be done for every aircraft currently in the game so it's taking some time to arrive.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Find it strange how these FM changes weren't mentioned in the changeling whatsoever.

[Quax]

not in the changelog, but there are definitely changes on the 109-F4 FM.

 

No FM changes. But an improved FPS always feels like an improved FM. Input - reaction time goes down, that gives better response and less over control (which leeds to the wobbling effect).

 

With my extended stick I never had any wobbling. So it can´t be the FM, as everybody has the same FM.

Edited April 16, 2017 by Quax

[Boaty-McBoatface]

You'll certainly be hearing back from DavidRed about that!

[Willy__]

No FM changes.

 

Oh rly ?

 

2.009b hotfix  

 

1. Steam version startup and exit procedures improved;

2. VR error message when starting via Steam removed;

3. LaGG-3 with Sh-37 loads without errors;

4. Bombsight altitude and course gauges work on Expert difficulty now;

5. Far objects (>10km from player or camera) are shown on the map;

6. Navigation icons are shown on Expert difficulty;

7. Player Icon is shown on map on Expert difficulty;

8. Airfields are no longer shown "under heavy attack";

9. Flare gun GUI indication works in Bf 109;

10. Map scrolling fixed;

11. Pilot's hand with a flare gun is shown correctly during all seasons;

 

12. Bf 109 F-4 performance fixed;

 

13. White artifact in He 111 H-6 belly turret position removed.

 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28573-game-version-2009-discussion-open-vr-support/?p=460606

Edited April 16, 2017 by JAGER_Staiger

[ShamrockOneFive]

Find it strange how these FM changes weren't mentioned in the changeling whatsoever.

 

 

Oh rly ?

 

 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28573-game-version-2009-discussion-open-vr-support/?p=460606

 

Again, the working theory I have is that upcoming changes that have been previously announced were accidentally committed to the final patch despite not being ready. It can happen and then it was rolled back very quickly.

 

It's a theory. I don't know for certain but we do know that FM changes for stability are coming for all aircraft.