Who cares about VR how about fixing stutter in campaign?

[NewfieDunfielder]

A little miffed that they are wasting their time with VR which most people don't have instead of fixing stutter which most people DO have! If you want to be the best act like it. Don't release something that 90% of people will have issues with ignore that for like 3 years (cause it's still an issue) then put all your time into a gimmick like VR. Support the masses and they will support you. I love your game but it should run better period. People aren't going to come running to buy your product for VR. Especially with the nature of how the game runs. People want to play your game without glitches or crashes or stutter on a pc that is that is average to top end. Want more sale fix that stuff. Wanna be triple A then support the base not the small percentage of VR trendy players. Please just make this game run smooth at 60 fps on the average to top end machine. Not much to ask. Other games do it flight sims don't get a pass because it's a sim. That's BS. My machine should chew this game up. Make it so please.

[LLv24_Zami]

So, what is your machine exactly?

[seafireliv]

I did notice some initial stutter, but it seem to settle down.

[NewfieDunfielder]

I7 2600k 3.4-3.8 ghz 16gb ram at 1600mhz gtx 1070. Gameplay is fine but every so often fps drop to 5 or so for a second. I noticed I have to be online for campaign. My internet speed is slow I'm wondering if it's loads maps or stuff from the server side which is causing this hiccup. Playing on a 60 hz monitor 1360x760

ultra high or balanced it happens

Edited April 12, 2017 by Dunfielder

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

I am sorry to hear you have stutter issues in the campaign.

 

I personally do not have stutter issues in any regards to this sim. Being rather selfish and self centered though I would ask the dev's not to waste time on this silly stutter issue that does not seem to affect 95% of us.

 

Thanks in advance!

[NewfieDunfielder]

Have you ever even looked at a forum other than this one? The problem is prevalent. Just because your hunky dory doesn't mean it's not an issue. Thanks for your 2 cents. You can get a refund at the door unlike buyers of this game

[II./JG1_Kadin]

I care about the VR!!

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

Have you ever even looked at a forum other than this one? The problem is prevalent. Just because your hunky dory doesn't mean it's not an issue. Thanks for your 2 cents. You can get a refund at the door unlike buyers of this game

 

Well, since you mentioned it,

 

See those gold bars by my name? That indicates that I have purchased all three of the add-on's.  They are added once you purchase the game either via steam or this web site. Odd that there is not one next to yours?

 

Are you using a separate account to post (troll maybe).

[LLv24_Zami]

It's not the internet stuttering in campaign. Your prosessor is not top notch anymore and you might try to oc it over 4GHz. Sims are quite hungry for prosessor power. Check your power settings in Windows and Nvidia Cp for starters.

[Riderocket]

I have Pentium G3258 and a GTX 750, I get a smooth 55-60 on High.

 

I had lots of stuttering a while back, turns out I had to replace my thermal paste for the CPU, as it was getting too hot, maybe you should also look into this?

 

And claiming that the devs haven't touched Optimization for 3 years is just ridiculous, the devs have touched up optimizations alot, maybe you're getting stuttering because a new patch was just released, if so, be patient, and wait for a fix, did your mother teach you anything?

Edited April 11, 2017 by Riderocket

[dburne]

Well, since you mentioned it,

 

See those gold bars by my name? That indicates that I have purchased all three of the add-on's.  They are added once you purchase the game either via steam or this web site. Odd that there is not one next to yours?

 

Are you using a separate account to post (troll maybe).

 

Actually you get the gold bars by buying into the Early Access.

I own BOM but do not have a gold bar for it as I just purchased it fairly recently.

Certainly does not mean I do not own BOM.

Edited April 11, 2017 by dburne

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

Actually you get the gold bars by buying into the Early Access.

I own BOM but do not have a gold bar for it as I just purchased it fairly recently.

Certainly does not mean I do not own BOM.

 

I did not know that. Thanks for letting me know!

[NewfieDunfielder]

[Edited]

 

Get a grip man.

Edited April 15, 2017 by Bearcat

[dburne]

I did not know that. Thanks for letting me know!

 

 

 

No problem, that is an easy assumption to make and you were not the first.

[NewfieDunfielder]

By the way thanks Zami you were the only sensible reply.

[OrLoK]

Ok internet dorks I wasn't asking for help from you. I do have bos and bom and most of the collector planes. Not here to troll here to voice an opinion. You don't like it cry to your mamma. She probably lives upstairs. Manners? What bad manners in op? I've been called a bad mannered troll here so I wonder who needs to check themselves.

Hello there

 

Being a little less combatative will greatly aid your cause.

 

Yes, you may be frustrated but dismissing orher opinions and casting aspertions simply wont do.

 

Make a bug report in the correct area and keep the angst out of your post and youll likely get assistance.

 

I dont suffer from stuttering and do care for Vr.

 

I also hope your issues are resolved.

 

Lastly, remember that devs which specialise in one area dont always specialise in others.

 

It may well be that the devs for the VR side of things have little to do with your problem.

 

As to implementing VR, its a very canny move and helps future proof the game as well as attract a new audience.

 

This means more resources for our fave sim.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

Edited April 12, 2017 by OrLoK

[NewfieDunfielder]

I'm not dismissing others opinions. Just stating a I'd be willing to bet 90 percent or more who own this game DONT have VR. Anyone who thinks it's the next big thing may be right but not in the next 5 to 10 years mark my word. Just like Motion controls on consoles a fad, a gimmick not future proofing anything. In five years I bet the number of VR gamers will still be a minority. My opinion only you don't have to agree. I'm old enough to remember buying things that worked no fuss no muss. And i mean old I had an x86 in 88 Whatever happened to those days?

[seafireliv]

Well if VR doesn`t take off they`ll have put a lot of effort into it for nothing...

 

However, we should not dismiss others because VR. the VR people are equally in danger of causing a split in their lauding of it over all else. I think a lot more Users don`t have VR than do. Don`t alienate them. Maybe one day i`ll get VR, I`ll not put others down because they don`t.

Edited April 12, 2017 by seafireliv

[NewfieDunfielder]

My point exactly seafire

[SAG]

ive had no stuttering in this game on 3 different computers ive had over the years. so IDK how to help you. maybe get a better procesor, that seems to be you weakest link.

 

PS. i care about VR.

[NewfieDunfielder]

Funny it'll run gta5 quite well and I'd have to say there's way more going on in that than il2 bos But that may be my only option. Thing is I've read many threads of people with top end machines i7 7700 gtx 1080 ram out the butt and they have issues with this game. So while my CPU ain't tops anymore I'd have to say its still pretty good. Maybe I'll get a cooler and try an OC.

 

It just seems retarded to me to make a pc game that only those with the highest end components can enjoy. You eliminate most of the market. I don't get that.

Edited April 12, 2017 by Dunfielder

[NewfieDunfielder]

Well if VR doesn`t take off they`ll have put a lot of effort into it for nothing...

Happens all the time

Like Microsoft put money into Kinect, I wonder what Russia spent to go to the moon,

Lots of time and money gets wasted on the Future!!

 

I have nothing against those that have VR or getting it. Giver shit I'm actually kinda jealous. I just feel effort could have been put elsewhere personally.

Edited April 12, 2017 by Dunfielder

[LLv24_Zami]

It's not made just for high end machines, many runs it very well with mediocre machines these days. These games are extremely complex, you really cant compare for example to the Gta. There are countless different combinations of hardware setups out there, there is always someone who is getting hickups.

 

I honestly think it's most likely that theres something in your setup what is causing the stuttering, rather than game coding. There are many possible reasons but it takes only one to cause trouble. You could use search to find more info on the matter and possible solutions

[NewfieDunfielder]

You see Zami I don't believe this is any more complex then other games. I just can't buy into a map, some planes , little bit of ground objects needing do much CPU. I know it does but that is a game code problem as far as I'm concerned. Make your game take advantage of GPU more than CPU. And if it needs to use CPU make it so most people's rig will handle it with no dicking around. I know sims don't sell huge and that's a bummer but did any sim developers ever think we need to make our game run awesome on any i5 or i7 or equivalent amd CPU. A GPU upgrade is an easier pill to swallow

Edited April 12, 2017 by Dunfielder

[LLv24_Zami]

You see Zami I don't believe this is any more complex then other games. I just can't buy into a map, some planes , little bit of ground objects needing do much CPU.

I know it does but that is a game code problem as far as I'm concerned. Make your game take advantage of GPU more than CPU. And if it needs to use CPU make it so most

people's rig will handle it with no

dicking around. I know sims don't sell huge and that's a bummer but did any sim developers ever think we need to make our game run awesome on any i5 or i7 or

equivalent amd CPU. A GPU upgrade is an

easier pill to swallow

You can believe what ever you want but it is just like I said.

 

It seems to me that you dont even want to seek solution to your problem. I think there is a one but it takes some effort to search for it.

[NewfieDunfielder]

[Edited]

Edited April 15, 2017 by Bearcat
Name calling.

[LLv24_Zami]

Many times I've found out that when I have had problems with games, the fault has been in my end.

 

But thats it, good luck solving the stutter!

[NewfieDunfielder]

Many times I've found out that when I have had problems with games, the fault has been in my end.

Ain't that the truth lol. Thanks

Many times I've found out that when I have had problems with games, the fault has been in my end.

Ain't that the truth lol. Thanks

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Wow, this thread has been thoroughly productive!   

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

[LLv24_Zami]

Ain't that the truth lol. Thanks

 

Ain't that the truth lol. Thanks

No problem.

 

No problem.

[NewfieDunfielder]

Lol shows over. Seriously though I have a post under tech problems if anyone has any ideas. As I said before this is just my opinion. I get testy when called a troll with no gold bars!

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Its ok , I have a mid range average computer and I don't get the stutters you do. I may not run at the same FPS but I don't get it. I do hope you find out whats causing it. It's the little things like that just ruin it for you.

[NewfieDunfielder]

When my pc helps bandits shake me off their six occasionally I get beyond pissed lol

Then the wife yells at me ha

Edited April 12, 2017 by Dunfielder

[BP_Lizard]

Actually you get the gold bars by buying into the Early Access.

I own BOM but do not have a gold bar for it as I just purchased it fairly recently.

Certainly does not mean I do not own BOM.

 

I got the BoS from Steam, so no gold bar there. And the Yak 1B on pre-order. Yet no gold bar either.

[Feathered_IV]

Turning down from Ultra will probably help a lot, and it's difficult to spot the differences between them. As said earlier, CPU strength in sims like this is the real key. As mentioned in the latest update, the game even reads how much ammo you have left when you take a hit there to gauge how big to make the explosion. When you think of all the hundreds of instant calculations that are being made every second, it's amazing a lower end cpu doesn't struggle even more.

[NewfieDunfielder]

Gta5 has a lot of calculations going on I'd say more. A living city and oh yeah planes you can fly. Now I know it's no sim level FM but there is so much more going on. So many more moving objects. Enemies have to reload in gta5 so it gets tracked. Not saying I can do max settings In this CPU testing beast but I can get it to a nice place. Why does a sim need more. A plane only has so many moving parts and things to track. Even with a bunch of them it shouldn't be so taxing. Not nearly as much going on as in gta5 I would think.

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I got the BoS from Steam, so no gold bar there. And the Yak 1B on pre-order. Yet no gold bar either.

Right here Lizard

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25654-i-want-meee-badges/?p=398298

[TheCheese]

I don't think comparing this game to GTA V is remotely reasonable.

 

It's not like they just took something like GTA V and then stripped out everything that wasn't airplanes or the ground.

 

GTA V has almost no physics; most data calculation is graphics on the GPU in that game, processor just has to keep track of objects and states in a small localized area around the players, which it can generate more of whenever it needs to. You'll notice all aircraft in that game just fly in a straight line or do exactly what you tell them to, with just the tiny caveat of having minimum speeds. They float along on pre-determined curves based purely on your inputs and relation to the ground. Most of what you're seeing move in game is pre-made animations that are triggered by events, not continually running physics calculations. Ammunition in weapons and locations of objects is not a continual calculation, it is a simple stored value that changes on very simple functions requiring very few operations per second. Velocity vectors of objects are also simple values that follow very simple rules. Likely the entire motion of the aircraft in that game is just one or two velocity vectors that determine the entire aircraft's movement. The way aircraft fly in the game has nothing whatsoever to do with how they look/how they are designed. They just plug in higher speeds and responsiveness-modifiers depending on the aircraft type. The kind of physics calculated in GTA is likely possible for the most part with only a high-school level knowledge of physics. 

 

Il-2 has an extremely large amount of physics; the GPU is still loaded running the graphics, so it's likely mostly up to the CPU to calculate huge numbers of complicated variables determining lift, drag, inertia, angular inertia, propeller thrust, engine torque, buffeting, etc, and all of this happens for each part of every aircraft a large number of times every second (and not just each wing plus the tail plus the fuselage; each component will be broken up into many smaller parts). The kind of physics calculated in Il-2 requires at least bachelor-degree level education if not higher. Imagine that; just to fully understand the difference between GTA physics and Il-2 physics takes literally years of dedicated study on just physics. So each individual aircraft has thousands and thousands of physics calculations going on continuously, as opposed to probably less than 10 calculations that govern aircraft in GTA. And that doesn't even take into consideration the complicated systems for modelling damage. Or the fact that even the atmosphere is modeled, with airflow, turbulence, temperature which changes with altitude, etc. Also the map is literally thousands of times larger than in GTA, and much more of it has to be rendered at any given time, Il-2's view distance is significantly more than GTA's, and most of the time in GTA your view is obstructed by hills or buildings, meaning not very much has to be shown.

 

It's completely absurd to just compare number of objects you can see on your screen and conflate that with CPU demands. There's a reason that games like GTA are released often, made by many studios, and having large amounts of content; making such games is easy. There's a reason that there are fewer companies developing realistic flight sims than there are fingers on your hand; making high-fidelity flight sims is extremely difficult.

 

Meanwhile, I've noticed over the last year or so on facebook lots of people saying that they simply weren't ever going to buy Il-2 unless it had VR support, and other people who had bought it saying they wouldn't play it anymore (and thusly wouldn't buy expansions) unless full VR support was implemented. So despite the fact that I won't be able to afford VR for some time, I think it was excellent planning for them to implement it as soon as they possibly could.

 

Come to think of it it's also ridiculous to equate feature development with bug fixing. Neither of those will ever prevent the other.

 

 I have the greatest sympathy for your issue, I just don't think it was at all reasonable to barge onto the developer's forum and accuse them of having failed in their priorities.

 

I've been struggling with Il-2 performance since the release of CloD and before, it can be very frustrating getting stuttering I know. But in BoS my fps has always been pretty smooth, just low due to my preference for high graphics quality + mid performance over high performance. Only recently I finally got my frames high by getting a GTX 1070; now they're a smooth 80 fps all the time on max settings. My processor is actually very old and in desperate need of an upgrade, so I'm not sure that any kind of stuttering issue can be pinned on just GPU or CPU. Possibly something in your system is conflicting with it. Maybe fiddle with your graphics drivers and look at your hard-drive and ram performance. I remember back with CloD people tried all kinds of crazy things to improve performance, like reinstalling Microsoft Net Framework or even trying to use complicated methods to make sure their game files were on the outer edge of their hard-disk, where they can be read and loaded into RAM the fastest. I don't think it'll be as drastic as that for you, CloD's rollout was very different from BoS to say the least. But it just goes to show there's a myriad of weird stuff that could be problems or solutions. I hope you find out what it is.

Edited April 12, 2017 by TheCheese

[Finkeren]

Sorry to hear about yourstuttering issue, but you're wrong if you think it's a universal problem. Since the move to DX11 most people (myself included) have experienced very stable fps.

 

I run the sim on a 6 year old system (newer graphics card) on ultra with no issues.