Disappearance of the VVS planes too tough thread

[JaffaCake]

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Page is now available again maybe moderator clicked the wrong button when moving the thread!

 

old post

 

Still available via google cache - https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:272MsWs3byQJ:https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21575-russian-planes-are-made-out/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

 

Topic vanished, no comments from the moderation team or the devs. Topic had plenty of good points of discussion with at least half supported by experimental or historical evidence.

 

I wonder what is going on?

 

Original link for anyone interested - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21575-russian-planes-are-made-out

Edited April 7, 2017 by JaffaCake

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oh...thats sad

I guess there is a copy somewhere with the maintainer of the forum?

[ShoeHash]

I think it ended because Luftwaffle fans wanted a more powerful minen round (basically destroying the balance between VVS and Luft.) and Russian pilots kept having to describe how tough resin impregnated wood is. 

But it did show decent information (that we already knew) about belt loadouts for Russian and German aircraft. Beyond that it was an argument of the worst kind.

Edited April 7, 2017 by ShoeHash

[JaffaCake]

I think it ended because Luftwaffle fans wanted a more powerful minen round (basically destroying the balance between VVS and Luft.) and Russian pilots kept having to describe how tough resin impregnated wood is. 

 

But it did show decent information (that we already knew) about belt loadouts for Russian and German aircraft. Beyond that it was an argument of the worst kind.

 

 

I am just surprised the thread vanished - now you can't quote a few good points and references from it. Thankfully the videos posted were taken from other threads that are still there.

[Dakpilot]

It is closed I imagine due to unreasonable argueing, and is now in the suggestions sections in its entirety, 6 pages, I guess until the contentious posts

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[JaffaCake]

It is closed I imagine due to unreasonable argueing, and is now in the suggestions sections in its entirety, 6 pages, I guess until the contentious posts

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

 

It was not accessible previously - now it does show up in the suggestion page! That is good

[Finkeren]

It was not accessible previously - now it does show up in the suggestion page! That is good

It was probably just unavailable as it was getting moved, and perhaps cleaned up a bit.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I think it ended because Luftwaffle fans wanted a more powerful minen round (basically destroying the balance between VVS and Luft.) and Russian pilots kept having to describe how tough resin impregnated wood is. 

 

But it did show decent information (that we already knew) about belt loadouts for Russian and German aircraft. Beyond that it was an argument of the worst kind.

 

How insightful and constructive.

 

Was putting nearly twice the explosives in a drilled out round compared to your opponents considered "destroying balance" during the war, too?

Edited April 7, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[ShoeHash]

How insightful and constructive.

 

Was putting nearly twice the explosives in a drilled out round compared to your opponents considered "destroying balance" during the war, too?

Both HE rounds found to underperform. You'd have to fix that before you fixed the "minen" rounds. However, some tester also confirmed that planes were tweaked a bit after it was found they were too easy to shoot down. Do you want a game that is fun? Or, a game that you win all the time because you're a narcissist. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Both HE rounds found to underperform. You'd have to fix that before you fixed the "minen" rounds. However, some tester also confirmed that planes were tweaked a bit after it was found they were too easy to shoot down. Do you want a game that is fun? Or, a game that you win all the time because you're a narcissist. 

 

Can you make a cohesive sentence without the baseless Ad Hominem?

 

I've posted in the "Russian planes are made of..." thread that all HE is egregiously undermodeled compared to AP - the inference that should be drawn there is that whether you are flying LW or VVS than your HE is undermodeled. No, I don't expect that you see each post I make, nor do I expect that you participate in every thread but it's asinine to think you're in a position to tell me what I'm saying, how I play BOX, how I want to play BOX or what my position is.

 

Factually speaking, I don't care about having a "fun" game, a "balanced" game or otherwise. I fly flight simulators to participate in a digital historical reenactment of the air war in WWII. I fly both sides in SP - in fact, I really enjoy the Yak, I-16 and MiG 3 but I still can't wrap my head around the LaGG 3. The greater majority of my PWCG campaigns have been VVS. I would even say that I've had more fun flying VVS - they're just enjoyable birds to fly. I don't participate much in MP but I have flown both in MP as well.

 

TL;DR - All HE is undermodeled. MGeschoss still contains nearly twice the amount of PETN as its historical contemporaries and is severely undermodeled. All AP is considerably overmodeled. Fun/balance should be secondary considerations in a combat flight simulator. Historical accuracy should be the primary focus when it is possible within the confines of time/money/computer hardware. To imply that I'm a LW only pilot is baseless, in fact, VVS is a lot more fun to fly. I'm not seeking a competitive advantage in the MP I never fly - I only care about historical accuracy.

[ShoeHash]

Can you make a cohesive sentence without the baseless Ad Hominem?

 

I've posted in the "Russian planes are made of..." thread that all HE is egregiously undermodeled compared to AP - the inference that should be drawn there is that whether you are flying LW or VVS than your HE is undermodeled. No, I don't expect that you see each post I make, nor do I expect that you participate in every thread but it's asinine to think you're in a position to tell me what I'm saying, how I play BOX, how I want...

"Me, me, me!"

 

What you want doesn't matter. You paid the entry fee, you didn't invest in 777, you bought their game. If you want to give real word proof that, within the confines of the IL-2 damage model, things are "wrong" maybe you should consider programming a better one, except you're not a programmer nor are you a ww2 munitions expert. So be respectful of the dev team and silence your temper.