I'm sick. I think i want to come home. :-(

[[310th]310thCopperhead]

13 years.

 

Thats how long i was involved in IL-2. I was standing in wal-mart in the electronics isle.

IL-2 (Original) in one hand.....MSCFS in the other. IL-2 was 10 bucks cheaper.

Best choice i ever made. Over those 13 years i spent over $600.00 usd on IL-2.

Every single add on i bought with out question. Worked my rudder off on PF content. Regimental files and skins mostly.

that $600.00 also included my controls  ect etc. It was a Premium Title and due in no small part to the FMB...a never ending one.

You only had to buy it once. Things in the PC gaming world have changed since then. The profit motive rules all.

 

And while there are jackasses every where....IL-2 pilots are always the best people.

There were a few who were jerks. (Galen Thurber comes to mind).....but 99% are awesome  pp..

Anytime a new player needed help this community has always steped up. Indeed i founded the 310th FS F8th FG

on that very principle. Help & welcome new pilots above all else. even those poor lost souls, misguided as they may be,

who chose to be axis pilots were always given help from our squadron when needed. I even spent time in GJ27 to see how the dark side lived.

Almost 10 months. I felt like I needed a shower every time I climbed out of a Bf-109-G6. Distasteful. uggg. lol

 

Sadly, I was dead set against mods. I was a purist. And after the fracture in the community over mods I saw the writing on the wall.

And started playing other games until slowly I just didn't fly any more. The 1st time I saw a 109 with 8 mk-108's under it's wings I was done.

I did TRY in the end to be open to the mods. Can't beat em join em.....but that was just not going to work for me. Some of you old timers here

will remember how vocal I was against them. And while IMO the mods caused a rift in the community....people were still relatively nice.

Respectful.  We have an honor amongst us. You Never shoot a guy who bailed while he's hanging in his chute. Always be helpful. I miss that.

At the end of a long day I could come home relax and hope to see the beautiful sight of an A6M burning brightly in my P-47's gun sight.

 

This was home.

 

World of Whatever........

So I started playing tanks. It's not a bad game. But it's a game. And the ppl there are all premadonas  who believe in the almighty STAT GOD.

If your statistics are not super awesome and your name is not in purple you are trash. You are sub human. And ANYTHING you say lacks any credibility what so ever.

The entire community is toxic. And getting worse by the day. Every day I get a pm after a match telling me how bad I am. (Never mind finishing in 3rd place on a team of 15) dog cursing me in the worst way.

This happens to a lot of ppl I know there. It's the Age & mindset of the player base. Unlike THIS community....that one has a much younger and less mature player base. In IL-2 the young ppl we had around us were always well behaved and mature for there age. Over there you get team killed on a daily basis. I could go on & on but it's making me sick.

not to mention the "free to play" concept. Yes it free to play...but pay to win. I've spent THOUSANDS on that game. Buying tanks. Premium time ect etc.

A fool and their money right? I spent more in one mon the on tanks than I did on IL-2 in 13 years. I think now that that BS has run it's course.

 

@sshole space pirates.....

If they had simply named it that I would have known to stay far away from Eve. A little over 2 years ago I wanted to start flying again....but I wanted to try something...well a little more SPACY.

I had expected something like fight planes in space but what I got was a spreadsheet game, controlled by a mouse and KB, with $4000.00 spaceships with pilots whom over half were like the Marines....

just looking for a few good men....but DEFANATLY not in the same way if you know what I mean. The entire object of that game is to be the biggest jerk you can be to fellow players. The more you can ruin thier fun the more you get rewarded. Your tears and rage are all they are after. You loose a ship there.....there aint a refly button. It's gone. A Jump Freighter is 7.1 BILLION. for the hull only. That's about $120.00 usd.

They die every day. I've had the misfortune in my life to have been in some of the most pretty dark places the world has to offer. And having interacted with the dredges of human society....some of those ppl don't even come close to being as bad as eve online players. How someone like Ambassador Stevens was ever involved with that I'll never know. There are some good ppl, places in there. And I'm fortunate to

"live" there now. But I'm growing tired of all the vileness that is involved with that game. There is no honor amongst space pirates.

 

So I'm coming home. I'm buying the new sim as soon as I get paid. dusting off the controls and everything. Will need to get track IR.

I just wanted to vent. I've had enough of what I've been doing. If there is a TS server anywhere around for the community as a whole some please pm me the info.

As soon as I'm back in the air the 310th will be recruiting. Stay tuned.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Former @sshole space pirate here.

[ShoeHash]

Welcome back.

 

It was IL2 vs. CFS for me too, IL2 won and thank god. I was a competent skinner back when il2 skins dot com was the resource. Interested in these 4k skins, going to tear down a template and try to find a plate that hasn't been done, or make up my own.

 

I will also agree this is a great community with minimal salt.

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

I'm also coming back after many, many years. I looked into and bought a few craft and modules for DCS but I just can't relate to the modern planes. They seem to be moving towards WWII planes and that period. It might prove interesting eventually.

 

Please check out the forum topic below... and it doesn't actually list some of us 'old rookies' age brackets. Many of us are way over 40. 66 here.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11312-whats-your-age/

Edited April 3, 2017 by Thad

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

IL2 and MSCFS are not comparable products..

thats like comparing Grand Theft Auto & Grand Turismo ..

it just wont work
IL2 could be compared to a moded version of Xplane 8-9-10-11 (but thats without Combat or Ai to fight)

[ShamrockOneFive]

Welcome back Copperhead!

 

You've picked a great time to rejoin the fold. Things are on the upswing with the series despite a bit of a bumpy start. Battle of Stalingrad was a good start but Battle of Moscow and then everything that has been added to the series since then has really just upped the game. Battle of Kuban, buy it or not, will overhaul the campaign system (in a good way), add co-op back the series, add full VR support and its already brought us an upgraded 64bit/DX11 game engine which is running very smoothly for me (and others no doubt).

[[310th]310thCopperhead]

IL2 and MSCFS are not comparable products..

 

thats like comparing Grand Theft Auto & Grand Turismo ..

 

it just wont work

IL2 could be compared to a moded version of Xplane 8-9-10-11 (but thats without Combat or Ai to fight)

 

No I think the more accurate comparison would be between a 1982 Chevy Chevette and a 2017 Chevy Corvette, with IL-2 being the latter of the two.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

 

Welcome back son,

 

Get yourself in an airframe and get up there.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Hey Copperhead, good to see you again.

 

Your experience with EVE is pretty much like mine.  I uninstalled it and walked away last year, and don't regret it a bit.

[seafireliv]

I am hugely wary of online games and ESPECIALLY Free To play online games that use a variety of tactics to get you to pay. the only one I ever touched was Mech Warrior Online which I was able to play for months without spending a single penny. Then, having felt I had had a good run, brought a mech i really liked and a few bits which cost up to £30 altogether- that seemed fair.

 

But you must have a strong ability to restrict yourself or you will spend hundreds of pounds on `air`. it`s really a scam once you go that far.

 

Then of course, there`s the kids... MWO isn`t too bad because many players are older adult who played the old game (like me) so there are some very good level headed people out there, but, oh, when you come across the whiny kids you`ll pull your headphones off (you do hear them audibly). They exist only to complain how `bad` their side is and do nothing to help. i`m surprised they haven`t all killed themselves, they`re THAT negative. I spent more time being the Moral Officer in that game and I`m a moody git normally! Where is the masculinity in these young lads? Gone.

 

There`s a reason I don`t do online unless with friends or very controlled environment (where I`m hosting and I can turn FF off)... Most of the time I play alone against AI. AI always plays in the spirit of the game.

 

I play Elite sometimes, but only Solo (which is like the campaign in IL2, but better). I don`t go Open because I know some idiot will take great pains to blow me away and all my effort for the `lulz`.

 

The only other game I`m doing online right now is Deathwing, which I host, but I don`t know any friend that plays it so I have keep FF off... Even then you still get children who refuse to fight as part of the group then blame you when they die. Thankfully, there`s no comms so I don`t have to listen to their high-pitched whine meaning I don`t have to kick them. Yet.

 

Anyway, welcome back.

Edited April 4, 2017 by seafireliv

[Ribbon]

Welcome back!

[Hawk777th]

Welcome back from an old JG27 Pilot! I am just jumping back in too! I still play that darn space pilot game though... my clan mates got two titan kills last month so I gotta do it before I quit haha!

 

The net is just so toxic now it sucks.

 

Even back in the day in MMOs people would like help you learn and work with you now its just if you arent rolling tons of DPS perfect your trash etc. So tired of it...

 

What I would do to have new JCN/HL and popular flight sims again...

Edited April 4, 2017 by Hawk777th

[Guest deleted@30725]

I can kind of relate in that I got lured in by war thunder about a year before Il2 bos, only to find that about tier four the money making mechanics kick in making your stock plane without unlocks complete garbage no matter your skill. By then you've put in loads of time so it was hard to give up on it. It wasn't going to be %60 either. That would have been the start!

 

I ended up playing tanks later in the same game when they came out and it was really fun, until tier four where the game starts trying to take your money by making getting the next thing almost impossible, add to that in tanks only making any money to pay the repair bill becomes super hard unless you get a really good score so you start to play for scores rather than the team and it ends up making you mad if you do well because gods damn it you can't afford to repair your tiger now. I did cave in and brought a few premium tanks. The tank combat in war thunder really is that good imo, but the game is designed to eat your wallet. You're a rat that is trained to enjoy and then want more even when you get sub consciously asked for money from it. They also took away the sim mode for tanks with their vast maps making you use your binoculars to spot without any kind of mini map showing the enemy. This was almost my perfect tank game till they decided to take that mode away and use it under some kind of events or something rather than a standard mode.

 

In the end with a game like war thunder you don't achieve anything useful and the community I think as before with the mechanics just makes everyone angry and toxic because of the choices the developer has made over the years to gradually ruin it for players who enjoyed the older 'more fun' versions of the game.

 

That's the really cool thing about Il2 bos / bom. The standard planes are really good and the premiums often don't offer a significant advantage. You never feel cheated if you don't own the best stuff. Hah - that's not even the right thing because a plane like the ju 55 could be classed as one of the worst planes in the game. Had they put this plane as standard and put the he 111 as a premium plane that would have been a money grabbing strategy. Whereas the ju 55 is there if you want it and you don't loose anything by not having it, but if you're a plane enthusiast you'll probably cave eventually anyway. Just pick a plane, go play the campaign with ai, load up a quick mission or go online against some real people. You'll even find that half the time you won't use many of the unlocks. Gunpods are really fun to use in the 109s, but make the handling worse for plane vs plane so not having them, having less ammo and just learning to fly better often ends up being the better option. Of course, if you fly really badly against someone who does bring them then a quick death is guaranteed, but generally that player will be at a disadvantage against good players.

 

I think the whole fp2 game model is probably one of the worst inventions for games ever and I will never touch a f2p game ever again. Well, that an micro transactions, I'm not too keen on the premium planes idea, but Il2 bos seems to have worked it in without ruining the game with them. Money can be re-earned. Money comes and goes. Time is something you can never get back and f2p games take either all your time or all your money. You could only buy the one game, Il2 bos and have hundreds of good hours with the standard plane set learning to bomb, learning that set of fighter planes from both sides and becoming an expert navigating across the frozen map.

 

This post turned into a rant it seems. I guess I'm just mad at myself for wasting my time on such things. I blame myself, but I still regret it.

Edited April 4, 2017 by deleted@30725

[ShamrockOneFive]

The 'net has always been toxic. It just depends on where you are on it.

 

It's pretty refreshing to jump into a IL-2 multiplayer scenario where most people are generally helping each other and some are even focused on team coordination and having a pretty good time of it. Compare that to the endless bickering and hackusations on a Battlefield 1 match and its quite a contrast. Even that is highbrow compared to some of the stuff I've seen.

[Scojo]

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Hey Copperhead, good to see you again.

 

Your experience with EVE is pretty much like mine. I uninstalled it and walked away last year, and don't regret it a bit.

I had a great time in Eve. I was in a Corp which specialized in small craft combat and was noob friendly.

 

We would receive constant wardecs from people looking to grief noobs in highsec.

 

They didn't realize that virtually all we did in-game was near-constant small unit warfare.

 

Our destroyer and frigate gangs claimed an insane number of high-dollar hulls from griefers who never saw it coming. My specialty was tracking and setting up traps for battle cruisers and battleships. Those were great times.

Edited April 4, 2017 by hrafnkolbrandr

[ACG_KaiLae]

OP you have confused the ambassador with Sean Smith:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Smith_(diplomat)

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

Vile Rat was a really cool person.  RIP.

 

PS, Sorry I helped crush the goons up North but they had it coming. Plus flying around with a few hundred supers and Titans is mighty fun

[=CFC=Conky]

.....I am hugely wary of online games and ESPECIALLY Free To play online games that use a variety of tactics to get you to pay. the only one I ever touched was Mech Warrior Online which I was able to play for months without spending a single penny. Then, having felt I had had a good run, brought a mech i really liked and a few bits which cost up to £30 altogether- that seemed fair.

 

 

.......

 

 

 

I've recently started playing MWO, it's a nice game and I've spent about the same amount of money there as I have on the BoX series. Bought everything in RoF too, so I can't really complain about having to spend around US$100 for the sim.

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

[JG4_Sputnik]

 

 

 

 

I think the whole fp2 game model is probably one of the worst inventions for games ever and I will never touch a f2p game ever again. Well, that an micro transactions, I'm not too keen on the premium planes idea, but Il2 bos seems to have worked it in without ruining the game with them. Money can be re-earned. Money comes and goes. Time is something you can never get back and f2p games take either all your time or all your money. You could only buy the one game, Il2 bos and have hundreds of good hours with the standard plane set learning to bomb, learning that set of fighter planes from both sides and becoming an expert navigating across the frozen map.

 

+1

PPl need to understand that theres no such thing as "free to play". It is more like a demo. If you really want to play you need to pay. Sooner or later.

I can imagine that that model is cool for a teenie who then can play a bit without paying. But for "serious men" this is something you have to stay away from like from a toxic frog or something...

[Scojo]

I'd be ok with "F2P" games if they would just provide an option that comes out to a price that's comparable to buying a box game with expansions. So (for me) $60 every 2 years, roughly.

 

But they don't. It's always $100+ to get a fraction of even just what I want in the game. And good luck purchasing everything. I'd rather put that money toward a sports car (ok I'm over exaggerating, but still).

 

The only game I've made an exception for on this was ROF because I accept how niche CFS are and also because I'm absolutely enamored by pre-jet era aviation.

 

The current IL-2 price model is right up my alley for a CFS, and I hope it's working out for them, because it works for me

[seafireliv]

I've recently started playing MWO, it's a nice game and I've spent about the same amount of money there as I have on the BoX series. Bought everything in RoF too, so I can't really complain about having to spend around US$100 for the sim.

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

Well, I guess i`m just tight. I might even go back to MWO at some point if enough people I know get interested again. Might even bump into you!  I still have a nice mech sat waiting in the bay.

I'd be ok with "F2P" games if they would just provide an option that comes out to a price that's comparable to buying a box game with expansions. So (for me) $60 every 2 years, roughly.

 

But they don't. It's always $100+ to get a fraction of even just what I want in the game. And good luck purchasing everything. I'd rather put that money toward a sports car (ok I'm over exaggerating, but still).

 

The only game I've made an exception for on this was ROF because I accept how niche CFS are and also because I'm absolutely enamored by pre-jet era aviation.

 

The current IL-2 price model is right up my alley for a CFS, and I hope it's working out for them, because it works for me

Agreed. I much rather pay one lump sum and be done than this `itty bitty` payment twaddle.

[BuzzU]

I remember you Copperhead. I too was waiting for the original IL2 to show up at the store. I got pretty involved with it. I probably had over 5000 posts on the original IL2 forum. Then I got in involved in race sims. GPL mostly and was gone from IL2 for a few years.

 

I've just come back. It feels like starting all over again.

[=CFC=Conky]

...I'd be ok with "F2P" games if they would just provide an option that comes out to a price that's comparable to buying a box game with expansions. So (for me) $60 every 2 years, roughly.

 

...

 

 

That's reasonable enough. I don't mind spending a bit extra in this sim in order to keep the genre alive and I don't think the devs are getting rich with the Box series. The most extreme example of crowd-funding a game is probably Star Citizen ($146 Million and counting...). 

 

MWO is not too bad when it comes to spending 'real' money; you can spend none and eventually acquire almost everything in the game, although it will take a while. For as little as $5 you can purchase a mech that will accelerate the rate of earning in-game currency. There is a Tier-based system of matching players for battles; I haven't played long enough to fully understand it but I don't feel hopelessly outclassed by highly experienced players in uber-mechs. The game offer 'trial mechs' free of charge which can be very powerful. All-in-all it's pretty good value.

 

 

 

In the BoX family, the equipment is not as varied and player skill plays a bigger role in my opinion. As for equipment balancing, it's a fairly accurate representation of what happened during WW2; one side would get better aircraft and have superiority for awhile until the other side caught up. To do otherwise would take away from the quality of the sim.

 

And of course we have to consider the cost of peripherals. Many F2P games can be played skillfully with just a keyboard and mouse. To be really effective in a flight sim, most of us will need a full HOTAS setup plus head-tracking gear, and that stuff doesn't come cheap. 

 

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

Edited April 5, 2017 by =CFC=Conky

[Blitzen]

Yes indeed!

[mikebauer]

i don't play online games, but watching that youtuber "bismark" made me buy this game. i have to say that the other voices in the bismark vids sound like like dorky kids with no sense of history or even purpose, and that puts me off on on-line. i mean, the people playing are the people you're going to see lurking in the aisles at walmart, trying to decide between a gallon jug of mountain dew or diet coke. but, maybe you're sick cause you're stuck in an 'oxygen not included' session, and just need to mop up.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

You could just avoid teamspeak.

[seafireliv]

You could just avoid teamspeak.

Some games have internal comms where you are pretty much forced to hear whiny kids speak.

[hames123]

+1

PPl need to understand that theres no such thing as "free to play". It is more like a demo. If you really want to play you need to pay. Sooner or later.

I can imagine that that model is cool for a teenie who then can play a bit without paying. But for "serious men" this is something you have to stay away from like from a toxic frog or something...

And yet another post completely eviscerating teenagers like me. For some reason, everyone talks about my generation as if we were all failures and useless. I like this game, and also play Wargame Red Dragon(a tactical game set in the cold war) and Verdun(a shooter set in WW1, you die loads and K:D ratio is completely ignored. I also play some HOI4, for some grand strategy fun. Yet everywhere I go to play, people say that teenagers are cancerous and stuff like that. However, thankfully there is less of that here than any other game so far. I am just really glad that Flight Sims and other niche games exist. Edited April 7, 2017 by hames123

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

The main reason there are less teenage or, so called, juvenile related conduct problems experienced on IL2 is because the majority of our pilots are over 40.

[SYN_Mike77]

And yet another post completely eviscerating teenagers like me. For some reason, everyone talks about my generation as if we were all failures and useless. I like this game, and also play Wargame Red Dragon(a tactical game set in the cold war) and Verdun(a shooter set in WW1, you die loads and K:D ratio is completely ignored. I also play some HOI4, for some grand strategy fun. Yet everywhere I go to play, people say that teenagers are cancerous and stuff like that. However, thankfully there is less of that here than any other game so far. I am just really glad that Flight Sims and other niche games exist.

Don't worry Hammes, the generation before us said the exact same thing.  As did the generation before that said about our parents.  This trend is traced back to Plato, who had Socrates whining about the kids he was teaching and how new tech had spoiled them and turned their minds to mush.

 

The good news is that before you know it, you'll be whining about the next generation!

[ShamrockOneFive]

And yet another post completely eviscerating teenagers like me. For some reason, everyone talks about my generation as if we were all failures and useless. I like this game, and also play Wargame Red Dragon(a tactical game set in the cold war) and Verdun(a shooter set in WW1, you die loads and K:D ratio is completely ignored. I also play some HOI4, for some grand strategy fun. Yet everywhere I go to play, people say that teenagers are cancerous and stuff like that. However, thankfully there is less of that here than any other game so far. I am just really glad that Flight Sims and other niche games exist.

 

I work with a lot of people in their teens and early 20s in my workplace and I've found them universally to be.... humans. Pretty much the same variety and diversity as the older folks. Pretty annoying to always be trying to tell people otherwise but I do try.

 

The poor online behavior I see in some communities seems to be less about the age and more about the attitudes of the forum/community.

 

We're pretty good here but we have some cranky old folks too! :D :D :D

Edited April 7, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[seafireliv]

Salutations,

 

The main reason there are less teenage or, so called, juvenile related conduct problems experienced on IL2 is because the majority of our pilots are over 40.

OVER 40! That`s old man!

 

*Looks in the mirror...*   Oh wait...

[Guest deleted@30725]

I work with a lot of people in their teens and early 20s in my workplace and I've found them universally to be.... humans. Pretty much the same variety and diversity as the older folks. Pretty annoying to always be trying to tell people otherwise but I do try.

 

The poor online behavior I see in some communities seems to be less about the age and more about the attitudes of the forum/community.

 

We're pretty good here but we have some cranky old folks too! :D :D :D

 

[[310th]Copperhead]

Downloading as we speak.

Had to creat a new account to get my name right. [310th]310thCopperhead just wasnt working for me.

(Forum moderator please contact me about dealeating the [310th]310thCopperhead forum account.)

 

So I'm getting the Premium additions of Bos & BoM. And then if I want the P-40E I have to buy it separate?

I bought direct. I don't do STEAM. You couldn't pay me to use steam.

And if I'm understanding this right BoK is now in pre order?

[DD_Arthur]

Hurry up and get your backside in here Copperhead.   Premium edition of BoM will include the P40 but.....er, don't expect too much from that one at the moment.

 

BoK is in pre-order but we're flying some of the 'planes right now.  Next plane to be released will be a 1943 version of the IL2 followed shortly afterwards - I hope - by the Spitfire mk. V.

 

Can't wait.  Latest patch means this sim is looking and performing better than ever!   

[ShamrockOneFive]

Downloading as we speak.

Had to creat a new account to get my name right. [310th]310thCopperhead just wasnt working for me.

(Forum moderator please contact me about dealeating the [310th]310thCopperhead forum account.)

 

So I'm getting the Premium additions of Bos & BoM. And then if I want the P-40E I have to buy it separate?

I bought direct. I don't do STEAM. You couldn't pay me to use steam.

And if I'm understanding this right BoK is now in pre order?

Premium Battle of Moscow comes with the P-40E-1 and the MC.202.

 

A friendly heads up that you may find it disappointing to fly at first. I've come to appreciate it slowly and I'm still hoping for more relaxed engine settings as an option in the future. The six .50cals are absolutely devastating in this version of IL-2.

 

Battle of Kuban is in pre-order early access right now. That means that if you pre-order you'll gain access to finished content as it's released. To date we have four aircraft from BoK available and two more becoming available pretty soon.

 

I think buying direct is better. The devs get the whole sale rather than a percentage from the Steam store.

[[310th]Copperhead]

Easter weekend....gota dust of the controls. And this thing is a monster DL. That's why I still love and prefer love disks.

 

Am I going to be able to run this sim? (should have asked that first lol)

lastly here are my system specs: "43 TV/Monitor

 

Time of this report: 4/13/2017, 22:23:50
             Machine name: DESKTOP-
               Machine Id: 
         Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 14393) (14393.rs1_release_sec.170327-1835)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
             System Model: G752VL
                     BIOS: G752VL.208
                Processor: Intel® Core i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.6GHz
                   Memory: 12288MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 12226MB RAM
                Page File: 3817MB used, 10264MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12

You could just avoid teamspeak.

 

are you nuts?

[DD_Arthur]

Is that a laptop, with integrated graphics?   Hmmm,,,,,,

[ShamrockOneFive]

Says it's a ROG-G752VL

 

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G752VL/

 

Apparently has a GeForce card in it.... Skylake CPU. Should do fine!