Will there be plans for 1944-45 add on at some stage?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

If it requires Airstarts it's out. That simple. 

 

So it would have to be an Operation from Advanced Landing Grounds Prior to the End of 1944. And Outside the Big Bomber Routes. And it should be well known enough to be an attractive Advertising Title. 

[Monostripezebra]

Still dreaming about Reichsverteidigung 1944-1945

 

With the classical "true to history superrealistic flightsim behaviour online" of our dedicated simmers it´s gonna be super awesome.......   with numbers like 99 Me262s vs 3 and half B17s and 19 Mustangs.  ;=P

[PatrickAWlson]

This is what I hope for. The eastern Front doesn't interest me, that's why I'm looking forward to the Pacific and hopefully one day we get Western Europe.

 

That is what I am hoping for ... only 1915 - 1918 (continues to flog dead horse mercilessly)

[ShamrockOneFive]

The Battle of Malta should be a relatively easy map. 

 

I'd love Battle of Malta but I'm not sure how it would be an easy map.

 

You would need to do Malta, which is a highly urban area (even in 1940) with a bunch of key landmarks that would be vital including the sea port, then you need to do at least the southern part of Sicily. It would need to include at least a few of the airbases that were used to launch the attacks against Malta. Then everyone has to be ok with flying the long distances between Sicily and Malta either as a Axis pilot flying the bombers/escort fighters on the various raids or as a Allied pilot flying Beauforts and/or Beaufighters to hit Italian and German shipping.

 

That said... Battle of Okinawa will feature similar difficulties. Its not just the Okinawan island but you need to have credible options for both sides to operate from in a variety of roles from fighter to attack to bomber. Midway is ok because its a carrier duel and you can have historical or a-historical distances between very movable fleets.

This is EXACTLY what I have been advocating for for months.

 

For sure! Honestly, it's a good fit for the IL-2 tactical aircraft model. I know we have die hard bomber pilots out there and I fully understand the want to have massed formations of B-17s because of the iconic value of that and the gameplay possibilities but that is not the only part of the air war in Western Europe. The tactical stuff is also very cool, features iconic types that we know well, and it doesn't leave out bombers either... but they are of the more light/medium bomber kind than the four engined heavies.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

There is plenty of low and mid level bombing for both sides, though, not many new types for the Axis guys. There will be lots of late war fighter and attack types for both sides. The tactical airway is rich in aircraft, terrain, objects and possibilities. It is certainly no less diverse than the Eastern front and all of that stuff in our current engine will be spectacular while being familiar to WWII buffs in the West.

[ShoeHash]

At least in the Pacific we can probably expect a Douglas Dauntless or SBD. This means allied pilots will have access to an awesome dive bomber, and more if they include the Avenger. 12 planes for Midway, what would you fly?

Edited April 5, 2017 by ShoeHash

[Finkeren]

At least in the Pacific we can probably expect a Douglas Dauntless or SBD. This means allied pilots will have access to an awesome dive bomber, and more if they include the Avenger.

Well, the allies already have access to an awesome dive bomber: The Pe-2. In most areas, the SBD-3 is going to be a step down from the Pe-2.

[Skunkworks]

I actually meant finishing off the war on the Eastern Front, falling back to Germany/Berlin on the East Front.

Edited April 5, 2017 by EagleSkunkworks

[jaydee]

Since we have 1941-43 covered on the Eastern Front, could there be potential plans to finish it out with 1944-45 eventually?

 

I surely hope so.

 

Hi Eagle. I actually think its Very possible.  In BOS/BOM/BOK we have a progression of Variants  of some aircraft (109 F2 and 109 F4 for example) . We have some new ones coming and I suspect we will see different Variants of them also.

We also have some new Maps (Worlds) coming.

As we progress through the WW2 Calendar, the devs have given us  Variants.. It makes sense for them as they Don't have to start from the "Ground Up" with each new Aircraft... They can make new Map (Kursk as an example). That map can then be used in various ways in New versions of BOX...It makes economic sense for a small Dev.

We are the winners !..In a year or two we will have so many Variants, Most Pilots of BOX Planes will be able pick "Their favourite variant" .

I think, some simmers don't appreciate the Variety in Models we have BOX at the Moment....You Don't have to spend Big Money on a "Single" Module. ie One Aircraft. ...You just Buy the BOX Series and you get lots of Planes (and their variants).

Eagle, I hope so too ! ~S~

[jaydee]

We need Afrika. Death to CloD!!

 

What kinda comment is This. Is it On Topic ?  Can some of us not enjoy Clod also ? are you Angry ?.... lie down on the couch and Pour your heart out to us. I promise to listen to your Problems !(if I don't fall asleep ).

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Even the most Dedicated Bomber Pilots wouldn't want to fly for 6 to 8 hourse in huge Formations. 

 

What are the Proposals for a Post D-Day mostly Tactical Air War Outside the Path of huge Formations?

 

Hürtgenwald, or anything near Aachen and Maastricht? There was the Westwall. The Netherlands are actually quite small and a large portion could be modelled for the generally heavy fighting around it, but I don't know about the Action in the Air. 

 

The genral Problem is that the Combined Forces of RAF and USAAF Steamrollered the Luftwaffe almost everywhere. There was no Airbattle as such in almost all Places. And unlike the Wannabe Hartmanns who completely Devoid of Context just want to knock themselves off until their Heads Hurt because they shot down a Mustang, I do actually care. 

That's why I'm here and not in DCS. If you want to go 1v1 109 v Mustang somewhere in Nevada, go ahead. 

But on D-Day, I wouldn't call 250 german vs 14000 RAF and USAAF Sorties a Battle as such. 

 

The Luftwaffe was able to destroy Transports during Market Garden and there seems to have been an Active Air Battle there, so

• Il-2 Battle of Arnhem (Alternative Title: Il-2 A Bridge too Far) (Autumn 44)
• Il-2 Battle of Bastogne (Battle of the Bulge; Operation Bodenplatte) (January 45)

These are the only viable ones I can think of. I like both.

 

In the East anything around Bagration would be interesting as well. Operation Bagration would probably Feature Minsk and Surroundings. Warsaw was just in a couple of Miles away from Russian Troops, probably withing visual Range, and yet wasn't captured well into January of 45, so about half a year Later. What's the Reason, was there Air Action involved?

 

But anyways: 

• Il-2 Battle for Minsk (Alternative Title: Bagration) (Mid 44)
• Il-2 Battle for Warsaw (Late 44)
• Il-2 Battle for Krakow (late 44 into 45)

Edited April 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Due to mentioned nessecity of airstarts and the limitations of the engine in terms of dealing with detailed 4 engined aircraft I'm not too interested in 1944+ western front scenarios even though that the aircraft and tactics deployed would certainly be interesting. An eastern front scenario as suggested by Klaus seems more likely especially if the devs aim to finish off the eastern front to shift their focus to other theatres (pacific, western, med).

 

Anyway, I'll be a happy man once Midway comes out already

[ShamrockOneFive]

At least in the Pacific we can probably expect a Douglas Dauntless or SBD. This means allied pilots will have access to an awesome dive bomber, and more if they include the Avenger. 12 planes for Midway, what would you fly?

 

Midway has a good mix of types covering a range of uses which is a very good thing. A6M and F4F for the fighters, SBD and D3A for the dive bombers, and TBD and B5N for the torpedo bombers. No idea if they will include the Avenger or not seeing as there were only 6 of them in the battle. Also curious if we'll see the F2A and what else they may include on the Japanese side.

[BuzzU]

Mustang and Jug? Yes, please!

[JG4_Sputnik]

I think what this genre needs is a bit of innovation imho.

There's so much exciting tech out there that helps devs to do crazy things very easily (UT4 for example).

But for flight sims, every single dev uses its own engine and there's no intel shared (as far as I know). Why is there no "UT4" for flight sims yet? :/

 

When does the first WW2 game come out that has, instead of one single map, a whole front scenario built? And has only the main areas visually flashed out, but everything is connected? Something like FSX, where you had only the major cities in good quality. But you could fly a factory new Bf-109 from Germany to Kursk? Or to Italy? Have a slightly good mesh, put trees where wood is, random houses where cities are and the main roads, until you fly over the map where the ground war takes place and then load in the "real map"

 

With clever streaming tech and procedural generated landscape you could do amazing things. I know about the economic realities though. But I also know about flight sims has one of the most dedicated (and well educated, for that matter) fan base that would be happy to help out!

I think if someone managed to make kind of a DCS/BoS/CLoD whatever flight sim that gives easy building tools to the fans, there would be maps and 3D objects galore (maybe a curated in-game shop, where you can buy add-ons or just install freeware). And lock it for online play.

 

When I see 777 spend so much time for creating a Spitfire that has been built by Eagle Dynamics and 1C already it's just a shame that there's no such thing as a flight sim that provides just the "world" and the "physics" and when a plane was built it stays built and everyone can enjoy it. It would save so much resources. Yeah graphics and FM/DM got better compared to Il21946 but where's the "real innovation"? 

We still fly over slightly small maps that take forever to being built with planes that have been built a dozen times already.

 

This genre needs vision! I hope that someday we will have a single WW2 map with inter-connected scenarios and tons of planes and 3D objects from thousands of sources, easy to use UI and such. Where's the Chris Roberts of flight sims?! :8

Where's Oleg?

[BuzzU]

Where is Oleg? I used to enjoy talking to him.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Where is Oleg? I used to enjoy talking to him.

Welcome to the forums kid.....................................

[BuzzU]

Kid??

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Fewer, smaller dislocated historical maps > procedural generated, randomly populated, unhistorical maps.

Edited April 6, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Gambit21]

Where is Oleg?

We had to let him go

[JG4_Sputnik]

Fewer, smaller dislocated historical maps > procedural generated, randomly populated, unhistorical maps.

 

 

Only in between the maps.

Who cares when you fly with a B-17 from England to Hamburg if the coast texture is blurry from 100m alt when you fly at 12000m?

It is by no means more "historical" to get a message that you are "leaving the combat zone" at the border of a map.

 

There are dozens of Alps-meshes out there - slap a decent randomly generated texture on it and let us fly the Ju-52 from Germany to Italy. And somewhere around Naples load in the full high-res standard map that can be bought in an in-game shop. That has been produced from a 3rd party developer.

As I've said, we need visions! (I know it is dreaming, but maybe eventually something like this will happen).

[Tomsk]

The genral Problem is that the Combined Forces of RAF and USAAF Steamrollered the Luftwaffe almost everywhere. There was no Airbattle as such in almost all Places. And unlike the Wannabe Hartmanns who completely Devoid of Context just want to knock themselves off until their Heads Hurt because they shot down a Mustang, I do actually care. 

 

Personally I'd really love a IL2 BoX game set in mid-1944 Western Europe, it would be really fun to have P-51Ds, P-47Ds and Spit LF Mk IXs flying against Bf 109 G6s and FW 190 A-8s. These are all some of my favourite aircraft of WWII, and with careful selection it should be possible to create a fairly balance set.

 

It is true that in many ways by this time the Luftwaffe was a bit of a spent force, but there would still have been local engagements going on and I'd be happy to "pretend" it was more balanced than it really was, providing the plane set was well chosen.

Edited April 8, 2017 by Tomsk

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I provided two Examples of the Luftwaffe inflicting a ton of Damage on Allied Aircraft. In Arnhem the Luftwaffe attacked C-47s and Escorting Fighters, and in the Bulge Operation Bodenplatte was the last Semi-Successful Attack at the Cost of Exhausting the Luftwaffe in the West. Mostly Light and Heavy Fighters involved.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Simply, the Western theater has rich tactical possibilities in late 1944 with all of the aircraft western customers covet. It is an untapped gold mine for the devs and they'd be foolish to ignore it. As they are not fools I expect we will get there eventually. There is no need for heavies or jets. Both sides have a vast number of single and twin engine variants which would drive at least two more releases, and all of it rendered in this engine makes me salivate. I am not alone in this opinion.

 

If the argument against is simply the Luftwaffe was overwhelmed and defeated then there is absolutely no reason to ever go back to the late war Eastern front either.

Edited April 8, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Sokol1]

I'm afraid that this recent silliness with CLOD and them getting a North Africa/Mediterranean expansion will forever mean this sim stays at the current small player base, since CLOD has the "more mainstream" content for European/North American consumers.

 

When this sim goes Pacific, will that leave Western Europe for CLOD?

 

Are you serious that this "more mainstream" European/North American flight games players are so stubborn who will not play a game that don't are not "Mustang's over Normandy" or "Me-262's over Berlin"? 

 

And so will missing all interesting PTO battles, carrier operations, etc? 

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Why you guys hate the Mustang? ?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

They are as picky and loud as us Fw drivers (maybe more) about their favorite ride. They tend to be very loud about the Mustang being the best fighter as well, though, there is plenty of contemporary evidence against that claim. It rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

 

I'm sure this Dev team learned a lot from the Fw trials and tribulations here. They will get it right when the time comes.

Edited April 8, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Lusekofte]

I hate the Mustang and the FW 190, the latter is new after couple of years with drama. And the 109 , oh don´t get me started on that one

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

There are lots of bombers and attack craft for you. Leave the fighters and the squabbling to us.

 

;)

Edited April 8, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Guest deleted@30725]

Why you guys hate the Mustang? ?

 

"You can please some of the people all the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"

[ShamrockOneFive]

The "biggest problem" of a West Front setup is really trying to fit three airforces into the 8+2 arrangement. That may be the hardest thing to do.

 

The Luftwaffe side is fairly straight forward but the Allied side has a lot of aircraft. I want the P-51, P-47, P-38, B-26, and A-20 but then I also want the Spitfire IX, Typhoon Ib, Tempest V, and Mosquito IV just to name a few. Staggered over two releases might be how that could happen.

 

The thing I'm forgetting in all of this is that Okinawa is near certain (or certain) for the release after Midway. So in three years time (roughly) we're looking at some seriously late war aircraft of the Pacific theater and there are some really cool options in there depending on what kind of aircraft set and specific part of the Okinawa battle they focus on. From the workhorses like the F4U Corsair and A6M5 Zero to some of the more exotic options like the P-47N and the J2M3. You know... I don't think a sim has ever added a P-47N in as an aircraft type before (War Thunder excepted). I think the squared off wingtips and a pack of HVARs is a good look for the Thunderbolt

Edited April 8, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[Finkeren]

Why you guys hate the Mustang? ?

Blame Steven Spielberg and his "Cadillac of the skies" BS.

 

I've hated the P-51 ever since I saw that movie as a kid.

[Rjel]

Where is Oleg? I used to enjoy talking to him.

Oh boy!!!!! Wait for it......

 

We had to let him go

Did he give "two weeks"* notice????

 

Thank you, thank you very much.

 

* sorry to beat that dead horse for the millionth time.

[Gambit21]

Blame Steven Spielberg and his "Cadillac of the skies" BS.

 

I've hated the P-51 ever since I saw that movie as a kid.

 

Wait a minute....so all it would take is some director making an arbitrary decision to have a young actor read an imaginary article in film, and repeat some text from that article in an exclamatory way about the Mig 3 and you would hate that aircraft as well?

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Oh boy!!!!! Wait for it......

 

Did he give "two weeks"* notice????

 

Thank you, thank you very much.

 

* sorry to beat that dead horse for the millionth time.

LOL you win the internet tonight sir! Pick your prize up in Two Weeks! 

[Finkeren]

Wait a minute....so all it would take is some director making an arbitrary decision to have a young actor read an imaginary article in film, and repeat some text from that article in an exclamatory way about the Mig 3 and you would hate that aircraft as well?

If it was just Spielberg, no. But it's not just him.

[hames123]

Mustangs are evil. The best plane of the late war period was the Tempest, and I will gladly load one up with bombs and rockets, attack a German column, then lurk around a German airfield waiting for a 262 to take off or land, before charging into a wall of flak, winning the day and a posthumus DFC. The 262 pilot will not doubt be beside himself with rage, and bring in the "muh superior German technology" card to complain that that will never happen.

[Gambit21]

If it was just Spielberg, no. But it's not just him.

 

Oh...yeah I agree 100%

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

The thing I'm forgetting in all of this is that Okinawa is near certain (or certain) for the release after Midway. So in three years time (roughly) we're looking at some seriously late war aircraft of the Pacific theater and there are some really cool options in there depending on what kind of aircraft set and specific part of the Okinawa battle they focus on. From the workhorses like the F4U Corsair and A6M5 Zero to some of the more exotic options like the P-47N and the J2M3. You know... I don't think a sim has ever added a P-47N in as an aircraft type before (War Thunder excepted). I think the squared off wingtips and a pack of HVARs is a good look for the Thunderbolt

P-47 N ? 

I'm not sure they would be on time for Okinawa since they started arriving in like May and June 1945, though there could be some liberal selection if others would be willing to accept that. My concern is that P-47 would pretty much outclass anything Japanese had at given time. Having also P-51 D-20-NA, F6F-5 and F4U-1d there is little room for anything else in the air  

[ShamrockOneFive]

P-47 N ? 

I'm not sure they would be on time for Okinawa since they started arriving in like May and June 1945, though there could be some liberal selection if others would be willing to accept that. My concern is that P-47 would pretty much outclass anything Japanese had at given time. Having also P-51 D-20-NA, F6F-5 and F4U-1d there is little room for anything else in the air

 

Depends on what part of the Okinawa operation they are depicting and how much breadth they want to give to it. There are always options.

 

My guess is likely they won't do this and focus on the initial opening part of the battle but we don't know yet.