Will there be plans for 1944-45 add on at some stage?

[Skunkworks]

Since we have 1941-43 covered on the Eastern Front, could there be potential plans to finish it out with 1944-45 eventually?

 

I surely hope so.

Edited April 3, 2017 by EagleSkunkworks

[Finkeren]

1945 I couldn't care less about, but 1944, especially the summer offensives, would be very interesting and IMHO needed to properly finish off the Eastern Front.

 

At this point we ofc won't get an answer to the question you raise here. We know for certain, that Midway is coming after BoK and after that maybe okinawa (though I remain hopeful, that the devs will take a long look at it and decide "Nah, Okinawa is a bad idea, let's make a different PTO scenario") but beyond these two, there are currently no plans and no telling what might happen.

[Asgar]

GiB Me 262

[Feathered_IV]

Beat me to it. 

+1 to the "Nah, Okinawa is a bad idea, let's make a different PTO scenario" moment of clarity from the devs too.  That's really not a practical area to focus on in a computer game.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm very much looking forward to some 1944 and 1945 scenarios. East and West and Pacific.

 

The trajectory is towards the Pacific right now so Midway is a guarantee the Okinawa is supposed to come next barring any changes that the developers announce.

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

Still dreaming about Reichsverteidigung 1944-1945

[Skunkworks]

Still dreaming about Reichsverteidigung 1944-1945

Yes please....

[Finkeren]

Still dreaming about Reichsverteidigung 1944-1945

Not for this sim. It is simply not suited for it.

[Gambit21]

Since we have 1941-43 covered on the Eastern Front, could there be potential plans to finish it out with 1944-45 eventually?

 

I surely hope so.

 

I hope not - not for a long while anyway.

[Juri_JS]

Not for this sim. It is simply not suited for it.

 

I also doubt we will see a Reichsverteidigung scenario any time soon, but a compromise might be possible. If we get the B-17, B-24, P-38 or P-51 for the Pacific we can use them in airstart missions on the planed Odessa map. Some airfields in the area like Focsani and Galati were targeted by the USAAF during Operation Frantic.

[JG13_opcode]

I'm afraid that this recent silliness with CLOD and them getting a North Africa/Mediterranean expansion will forever mean this sim stays at the current small player base, since CLOD has the "more mainstream" content for European/North American consumers.

 

When this sim goes Pacific, will that leave Western Europe for CLOD?

 

Depressing to think about.

Edited April 3, 2017 by JG13_opcode

[Gambit21]

The sky is falling!

[BMA_FlyingShark]

 

 

Not for this sim. It is simply not suited for it.

Why not?

 

  

[Lusekofte]

It is more a question on how to get these small maps to fit that scenario, also the numbers of moving objects. This sim might tolerate more of them now, but I doubt for this 

[JG13_opcode]

Why not?

 

The engine doesn't really perform well enough to support the gargantuan maps you'd need to properly do big 4-engine bomber stuff, and I rightly agree with them that it's hard to do 1944 Europe without Lancasters/B-17s/B-24s/etc.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

 

 

The engine doesn't really perform well enough to support the gargantuan maps you'd need to properly do big 4-engine bomber stuff, and I rightly agree with them that it's hard to do 1944 Europe without Lancasters/B-17s/B-24s/etc.

Ah, ok, I see.

 

  

[Guest deleted@30725]

I'm afraid that this recent silliness with CLOD and them getting a North Africa/Mediterranean expansion will forever mean this sim stays at the current small player base, since CLOD has the "more mainstream" content for European/North American consumers.

 

When this sim goes Pacific, will that leave Western Europe for CLOD?

 

Depressing to think about.

 

As a European I thought the best thing about this version of Il2 was that it didn't cover the same old stuff. It decided to cover planes I'd hardly heard of in a theater I did not know much about. I expect the numbers not being there (online?) is many people like myself suffering a severe lack of time to play the game as much as we'd like to rather than there being limited sales of the game. I've had to go months without using Il2. If I had the time I'd play every day.

Edited April 3, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Finkeren]

Why not?

 

Engine doesn't support large, high quality maps (to say nothing of the time it would take to create a map of western Europe.

 

AI doesn't handle large formations well.

 

Even with recent improvements, large number of AI gunners still impact performance in a big way.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Engine doesn't support large, high quality maps (to say nothing of the time it would take to create a map of western Europe.

 

AI doesn't handle large formations well.

 

Even with recent improvements, large number of AI gunners still impact performance in a big way.

Yes, I understand now.

 

But, as this is hopefully a long running series of simulations with addons, maybe one day the sim will be optimized so well that it will be able to handle those large maps and formations.

 

I'm thinking within so many years off course.

 

[Finkeren]

Yes, I understand now.

 

But, as this is hopefully a long running series of simulations with addons, maybe one day the sim will be optimized so well that it will be able to handle those large maps and formations.

 

I'm thinking within so many years off course.

 

I don't know, if you've seen this, but the guys who made Over Flander's Fields have this in the works:

 

http://www.wingsoverthereich.com/

 

Except that it's never gonna be quite as pretty or detailed as the most modern CFS, this is pretty much all a Western Front 1943-45 fan could dream of. The size and scope of the old European Air War (only more ambitious) brought up to something like IL-2 1946 standard. It's gonna be yuuuuugeee.

 

I have my doubts whether it will ever get released, but many ppl on this forum have been a good deal more optimistic about it than me.

 

P.S. I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules by posting the link, it's not my intention.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Finkeren

[BMA_FlyingShark]

True, I'm not so optimistic about it either.

 

[JG13_opcode]

As a European I thought the best thing about this version of Il2 was that it didn't cover the same old stuff. It decided to cover planes I'd hardly heard of in a theater I did not know much about. I expect the numbers not being there (online?) is many people like myself suffering a severe lack of time to play the game as much as we'd like to rather than there being limited sales of the game. I've had to go months without using Il2. If I had the time I'd play every day.

Obviously I like the Eastern Front side of things too. I flew exclusively VVS for the first little while, as the Yak is my absolute favourite aircraft of all time. But I think those of us who enjoy this sim and the scenarios it portrays are dwarfed by the people who just want to fly their spitfire or their mustang or their whatever.

[Guest deleted@30725]

Obviously I like the Eastern Front side of things too. I flew exclusively VVS for the first little while, as the Yak is my absolute favourite aircraft of all time. But I think those of us who enjoy this sim and the scenarios it portrays are dwarfed by the people who just want to fly their spitfire or their mustang or their whatever.

 

Good job we get a spitfire in the next release

[JG13_opcode]

Sure but IIRC it's a MkVb which will be woefully outclassed by the 190A-5 and would be a good opponent for the 109F-4 if the F-4 wasn't overperforming, which it was last time I checked.

 

For the crowd that wants a good RAF/USAF vs Luftwaffe matchup, this sim isn't the right choice.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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It's gonna be yuuuuugeee.

 

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Even with recent improvements, large number of AI gunners still impact performance in a big way.

 

They do impact performance bigly. The AI definitely doesn't send their best. SAD!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Operation Bagration in the Minsk Sector would be Cool. In the West there is nothing interesting that wouldn't Force Airstarts. 

 

This is Il-2, not DCS or War Thunder after all. 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

We need a Barbarossa first, important missing planes yet: Hs123, I15, DB3, etc 

also Orel-Kursk 1943

Edited April 3, 2017 by -=PHX=-Spartan-

[ShamrockOneFive]

A 1944 Europe scenario doesn't have to be big bombers. I'd be far more interested in the things that IL-2 does really well which is the tactical air force work such as what the RAF 2nd TAF and USAAF 9th AF did versus the Luftwaffe in Normandy and the Ardennes. That would be one hell of a one-two punch for the series at some later date: Battle of Normandy, Battle of Ardennes. Give me Typhoons, Thunderbolts and Focke Wulfs and for the bomber folks the Do217 and the B-26. That'd be cool and all within the capabilities of the IL-2 engine.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We need Afrika. Death to CloD!!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

There was no Air Battle Normandy. I can imagine Bodenplatte to be Fun, but other than that not really much you can do without Allied Airstarts. 

[seafireliv]

One of the things I loved about the old IL2 was being able to fly from 1941 all the way to 1945... Which I did several times. And in the Pacific as well.

 

It never seems right just flying up to the 1943 and that`s it.

[ShamrockOneFive]

There was no Air Battle Normandy. I can imagine Bodenplatte to be Fun, but other than that not really much you can do without Allied Airstarts. 

 

I've got three books on the RAF 2nd TAF covering every day of operations including the time immediately after D-Day that say otherwise. Those would be including (nearly) daily clashes between 2nd TAF and Luftwaffe units involving dozens of aircraft at a time. I'm sure the 9th AF was just as busy.

[Finkeren]

One of the things I loved about the old IL2 was being able to fly from 1941 all the way to 1945... Which I did several times. And in the Pacific as well.

 

It never seems right just flying up to the 1943 and that`s it.

I agree, but let's not kid ourselves and imagine, that flying in combat throughout the entire war was in any way normal.

[Brano]

Procedural generation of the terrain might be a key here. Look at Outerra as a good demo how it could work. Problem is that you would have to still populate the map manualy by objects to make cities,villages,road and railway network believable. But then,this might also come as a result of further development and some kind of autopolpulation system could be included. As for BoK devs allready started with procedural texturing of the terrain. Small step now,maybe a hint for future?

[JG13_opcode]

Procedural terrain generation helps with development time, but the final map with textures still has to be loaded into your system's memory, and that is the main obstacle. The engine itself is not performant enough to deliver huge maps.

 

The other alternative is to go Minecraft style and populate the terrain procedurally as players explore, but then you have 2 problems: synchronizing game state between different clients (players) and also the fact that procedurally-generated terrain isn't historical.

Edited April 4, 2017 by JG13_opcode

[PatrickAWlson]

The sky is falling!

Will that make it easier to gain altitude?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

A 1944 Europe scenario doesn't have to be big bombers. I'd be far more interested in the things that IL-2 does really well which is the tactical air force work such as what the RAF 2nd TAF and USAAF 9th AF did versus the Luftwaffe in Normandy and the Ardennes. That would be one hell of a one-two punch for the series at some later date: Battle of Normandy, Battle of Ardennes. Give me Typhoons, Thunderbolts and Focke Wulfs and for the bomber folks the Do217 and the B-26. That'd be cool and all within the capabilities of the IL-2 engine.

This is EXACTLY what I have been advocating for for months.

Edited April 4, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

The Battle of Malta should be a relatively easy map. 

[Legioneod]

A 1944 Europe scenario doesn't have to be big bombers. I'd be far more interested in the things that IL-2 does really well which is the tactical air force work such as what the RAF 2nd TAF and USAAF 9th AF did versus the Luftwaffe in Normandy and the Ardennes. That would be one hell of a one-two punch for the series at some later date: Battle of Normandy, Battle of Ardennes. Give me Typhoons, Thunderbolts and Focke Wulfs and for the bomber folks the Do217 and the B-26. That'd be cool and all within the capabilities of the IL-2 engine.

This is what I hope for. The eastern Front doesn't interest me, that's why I'm looking forward to the Pacific and hopefully one day we get Western Europe.

[Finkeren]

The Battle of Malta should be a relatively easy map.

Airstarts *yawn*