I wish we had a Stuka B...as you cannot play a Stuka career starting in 1941....

[Skunkworks]

I really would have liked to start a Stuka career, especially with the revamp of the Career mode coming in BOK. However since we only have the D-3 version of the Stuka I believe we will not be able to start a Stuka career from 1941...It would have been great to have a B version of the Stuka as well.

[Dutchvdm]

Hi,

 

I would like that to. The B or R models would be great for both Moscow and Stalingrad. But there is some comfort in the fact that the D(1) model was already put in service in the end of 1941 for some units. That will give you some couple of months of stuka action even for BOM.

 

Grt M

[Skunkworks]

Hi,

 

I would like that to. The B or R models would be great for both Moscow and Stalingrad. But there is some comfort in the fact that the D(1) model was already put in service in the end of 1941 for some units. That will give you some couple of months of stuka action even for BOM.

 

Grt M

Thanks, but I assume they may be nice and give us the Stuka as an option later in 1941 only with the upcoming campaign modifications correct? As do not see the Stuka as an selectable aircraft doing the BOM campaign at the moment.

[Dutchvdm]

Thanks, but I assume they may be nice and give us the Stuka as an option later in 1941 only with the upcoming campaign modifications correct? As do not see the Stuka as an selectable aircraft doing the BOM campaign at the moment.

 

Well if they are going to super strict the Moscow campaign will not have the Stuka because we have the D3 model and not the D1, but i think they will add it if we ask. For the current campaign they mostly build it around the planeset that belonged to the expansion, not the available squadrons. There is a unit topic in the forum section for career assistance with a nice breakdown which type units and squadrons the devs can use.   

 

Grtz M

[Blitzen]

I concure,but honestly if I really want to bomb up a Berta I can always go over to CloD.They have an excellently modeled one & a lot f tarets to hit with it. I'd be interested if improvements in modeling since CloD came out years ago would make a B model here that much better in BoS?

 I assume ther majority of Stuka units in June- December 1941 were Bertas,correct? They are certainly what we see in most photos.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Sorry to break it to you champ but CLOD stuka B2 is piss poor.

 

Quite frankly unbelievable it hasn't been corrected yet. It does over 400kph on deck with a bomb and climbs the vertical with authority. Trolls are still using it as a fighter taking on Hurricanes and Spitfires exploiting the over powered FM. The bug has been acknowledged but somehow hasn't been addressed yet.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Pros for Ju-87B: 

• Visual Model can be ported from CloD, Cockpit as well
• It is the Historically Correct Model for early Timeframe. 

Cons:

• Different Engine, much lower Rating, different Thermal Model
• All Radiators sit under the Nose, Different Engine Thermal Model
• Different Damage Model due to Nose Rads
• More pronounced Gullwing due to inner Wing Sections being at a larger Angle. Different Aerodynamics
• Different Gun Layout for Rear Gunner
• Different Fuel System

It's not going to be a quick and easy Port. 

Edited April 4, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[ACG_KaiLae]

Sorry to break it to you champ but CLOD stuka B2 is piss poor.

 

Quite frankly unbelievable it hasn't been corrected yet. It does over 400kph on deck with a bomb and climbs the vertical with authority. Trolls are still using it as a fighter taking on Hurricanes and Spitfires exploiting the over powered FM. The bug has been acknowledged but somehow hasn't been addressed yet.

 

I believe this falls under the "waiting for 5.0" list.

[Feathered_IV]

I'd rather a Henschel Hs-123, then move onto the Stuka D-3 in the later campaign.  Now that would be fun. 

[Dutchvdm]

I'd rather a Henschel Hs-123, then move onto the Stuka D-3 in the later campaign.  Now that would be fun. 

 

I agree. The Hs-123 would be so awesome!

 

[seafireliv]

Pros for Ju-87B: 

• Visual Model can be ported from CloD, Cockpit as well
• It is the Historically Correct Model for early Timeframe. 

Cons:

• Different Engine, much lower Rating, different Thermal Model
• All Radiators sit under the Nose, Different Engine Thermal Model
• Different Damage Model due to Nose Rads
• More pronounced Gullwing due to inner Wing Sections being at a larger Angle. Different Aerodynamics
• Different Gun Layout for Rear Gunner
• Different Fuel System

It's not going to be a quick and easy Port. 

That`s a pity. I was hoping it would be a case of porting over the model with a slight change to the working mechanics.

[PatrickAWlson]

For better or worse I just use the D in PWCG.  Yes, it would be nice to have the correct version, but the D is not that big of an upgrade that it completely changes the idea of "Stuka".

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Pros for Ju-87B: 

• Visual Model can be ported from CloD, Cockpit as well
• It is the Historically Correct Model for early Timeframe. 

Cons:

• Different Engine, much lower Rating, different Thermal Model
• All Radiators sit under the Nose, Different Engine Thermal Model
• Different Damage Model due to Nose Rads
• More pronounced Gullwing due to inner Wing Sections being at a larger Angle. Different Aerodynamics
• Different Gun Layout for Rear Gunner
• Different Fuel System

It's not going to be a quick and easy Port. 

 

Adding to that:

 

Pros:

- better manouvrebility due to lighter airframe than the Dora

- was used by other axis nations (Italy, Hungary, ect) even past it's Luftwaffe service (usefull for future campaigns and SP missions)

- devs already have access to ressearch material (big time saver)

 

Cons:

- lighter ordinance than the D-3 (can not be equiped with special purpose bombs such as the SC1800)

- worse defensive armament

- worse pilot protection

- significantly worse performence than the D model

 

The changes in aerodynamics implied by the angle of the wing are probably less troublesome than the drag figures of the differently shaped radiators and nose section.

 

As for the also mentioned R model, it has another big con compared to the B model. Due to the installation of additional wing tanks to extent the range the aircraft lost the ability to carry wing racks which reduced the max ordinance to just a single bomb (250kg, 500kg or 1000kg).