Eisenfaustus Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Hello, I'm new to IL-2 BOS and have two questions concerning the german cannons. 1st Composition of the Belts M = Mine I = Incendiary API = Armor Piercing Incendiary AP = Armor Piercing HE = High Explosive After reading "Horrido - des Jägers Schießfibel" I believe a common belt for fighters on the eastern front would be M-M-M-I-API The ingame immage with one blue and one orange bullet suggest AP-HE belting - possibly API-M... Shooting the MG 151/20 of a BF-109 in single fire supports the thesis with every second shot having a tracer... Does someone know more? 2nd Weapongroup in the FW-190 Why are the MG 151/20 in the same group as the MG 17? And the MGFF/M are in the second group... Doesn't make sense to me - I want to use my MG 17 in siuation when I don't need to waste cannon ammo like strafing unarmored ground units or long range shooting... On the other hand - I can't immagine a situation where I want to fire my MGFF but not the MG151 except ammo conservation - but that is no issue for the 190... PS If this was already answered in the forum I appologise but using the search function I didn't find anything
ACG_pezman Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I have no clue about the belt loading, it does appear to be every other shell. But as far as the weapon groups go, it's correct. It used to be MG17's in weapon group one and cannons in weapon group two, but historically the inboard cannons and MG's were both in weapon group one with the outboard cannons being in their own weapon group (for attacking bombers and such). I guess their reasoning was you wanted to save the outboard cannon's for when you were attacking something substantial, like a Pe-2 or IL-2, and use the inboard cannon's for everything. It doesn't make sense, but you'll probably run out of fuel before you run out of cannon ammo, lol.
MAJ_stug41 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) In the original configuration the wing root guns and cowling guns were all mg17's, and the outboard guns were mg ff's. The wiring was not changed when the wingroot guns were changed to mg 151/20's in the a3. Regardless, 250 rpg is more than plenty if trigger time and ive yet to find myself wanting. Edited March 28, 2017 by 2./JG51_stug41 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted March 28, 2017 1CGS Posted March 28, 2017 There's also the fact that the MG-FFs have a significantly lower rate of fire and muzzle velocity than the MG 151/20s and MG17s.
Eisenfaustus Posted March 28, 2017 Author Posted March 28, 2017 Thanks - that is actually very plausible!
MAJ_stug41 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Here's a previous thread with documentation - https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26311-fw-190-mapping-separate-mg151s-mg17s/
Eisenfaustus Posted March 30, 2017 Author Posted March 30, 2017 But on the belt configuration of the guns insgame there is no information?
=ARTOA=Bombenleger Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 @Eisenfaustus the german 20mm belts consist of: Mineshell - AP - Mineshellnot a historical loadout and one that might limit the effectiveness but deadly enough if you hit.
Riderocket Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Maybe when the devs aren't busy making Kuban and when they start working on fuel systems and everything else from DD 120 then we can maybe ask then to work on historical ammo belts (and fix HE) 1
=ARTOA=Bombenleger Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Yes around that time would be the right time to ask devs about it and have an in depth discussion about this.
Finkeren Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Maybe when the devs aren't busy making Kuban and when they start working on fuel systems and everything else from DD 120 then we can maybe ask then to work on historical ammo belts (and fix HE) If I understand correctly, it is actually the ambition of the devs to do most of the items on the list during the development of BoK, not afterwards.
Riderocket Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 If I understand correctly, it is actually the ambition of the devs to do most of the items on the list during the development of BoK, not afterwards. Ah well, more cool stuff to look forward to
Eisenfaustus Posted March 30, 2017 Author Posted March 30, 2017 @Eisenfaustus the german 20mm belts consist of: Mineshell - AP - Mineshell not a historical loadout and one that might limit the effectiveness but deadly enough if you hit. Thanks - is there a source for belt configurations?
=ARTOA=Bombenleger Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Yes there is a source, a dev posted the belt configuartion but I cant find the link right now.
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