Bug with Wing damage on Yak1b?

[Bullets]

Okay so I have noticed this since its release and I am wondering if anyone else has as well.

 

Essentially whenever you get a visible wing damage (Aka you can see holes in the wing) the drag of that wing is enormous, MUCH more than any other aircraft. It requires a large amount of rudder to keep the aircraft balanced and pulling back on the stick can almost make you snap roll. This affect is much more pronounced in this aircraft than others in this sim leading me to think its a bug/overdone??    

 

I am not saying that having wing damage wouldn't disrupt airflow over a wing causing drag but the amount on the Yak1b seems wayyy overdone. Just wondering what you guys 2 cents is on the matter and if anyone else has noticed this. 

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[=VARP=Cygann]

No idea if that is true, but if so, I would change your title into "Bug with Wing damage on every plane except Yak1b".

 

With holes in planes, we should see much more shaking, buffeting, drags, spins and what not...I feel (same goes for ROF) damage is not felt enough in this engine and not the other way around. Seems like damaged planes leaking and smoking just continue to fight and fly with very little to no performance drops. More often then not I don't even realize I am damaged until someone warns me about leaving black smoke or leaks all over the virtual blue.

 

Plane full of holes should probably give you a fight on it's own, but I have never experienced that to be sure, just an educated guess (or an opinion even).

[BlitzPig_EL]

Some of this may be an artifact of the Yak's very tapered wing profile, which is on the unstable side to start with.

[Bullets]

I'm not saying that the "flight behaviour" of a Yak1b with wing damage shouldn't be there but it is MUCH more noticeable in the Yak than other aircraft. Its hard to reproduce to experiment however it is something I have noticed every time I get shot in the wings. 

[Ribbon]

I didn't tried it in yak-1 ser.69 but yes there is induced big drag over damaged wing in yak-1b.

Reason could be when compared with other planes such as germans is that shape and area of yak's wing is larger than in some other planes which will result with bigger drag.

Surface area of yak is very large giving him great maneuverability but also instability when damaged cos of iduced wortex airflow (turbulent airflow)that keeps traveling on wings surface(aerofoil) from leading edge or damaged area through camber toward trailing edge.

I believe distance between leading edge and trailing edge also curvature of camber is reason for that while other planes has smaller distance between them.

[Willy__]

I dont know about the russian planes, but when I get damaged while flying any german plane I can feel it and have to account for the damage, sometimes it even makes impossible to fly. But I've seen Yaks full of holes, leaking everything, diving, turning and fighting like nothing happened to them....

Edited March 23, 2017 by JAGER_Staiger

[Finkeren]

I dont know about the russian planes, but when I get damaged while flying any german plane I can feel it and have to account for the damage, sometimes it even makes impossible to fly. But I've seen Yaks full of holes, leaking everything, diving, turning and fighting like nothing happened to them....

This is simply not true.

 

I've flown the Yaks for hundreds of hours, and wing damage always affects handling and reduces lift and speed (as it should - I'm not complaining)

 

What you have seen might have been very determined Yak pilots who were good at compensating for the negative effects of the damage. In reality their flying was no doubt severely hampered, though it might not have looked like it from the outside.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Finkeren

[216th_Jordan]

I dont know about the russian planes, but when I get damaged while flying any german plane I can feel it and have to account for the damage, sometimes it even makes impossible to fly. But I've seen Yaks full of holes, leaking everything, diving, turning and fighting like nothing happened to them....

You will then probably not believe me that 109s I smoked and punched holes through turned around and tried to follow me all the way back to base with seamingly no problems. Its all very subjective and when you are not in the cockpit you can hardly know what the pilot is fighting with.

[=VARP=Cygann]

Well, damage is felt, no question about it, but not as much as I'd expect.

Maybe that is correct, I don't know, but I am not sure anyone truly knows here.

 

Can only compare to other sims and our own assumptions.

 

For example, I feel damage much more in CloD even though flight model feels better and less on rails on IL2BOS while planes are undamaged.

 

It's just personal subjective observation but I do like IL2BOS flight model the best in IL2 series, yet I like CloD damage the most, both in flight feel and visual decals. When you get damaged on lets say Spitfire in CloD, thing really fights you, same is for engine damage, one can see and hear all the trouble while in BOS I sometimes don't really notice I am trailing black smoke from engine until I see it and I don't need to fly hundreds of hours to notice this, happens quite frequent.

 

Not complaining either, just saying people should not ask for damage to be less felt on a Yak, but instead think if it should be the same on other planes in the game.

[VesseL]

I fly both sides and for me its very clear that USUALLY rus fighters can take much more damage and still fly ALMOST LIKE nothing wrong. 109 lose controls very often at one hit. Or make it too difficult to continue fighting.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Wing Dihedral is Inherently Stable not unstable..

[novicebutdeadly]

I wonder if the problem is more so how AI aircraft fly with damage, compared to human controlled planes.

I fly German, and sadly 99% off line due to ping and time Zone (I live in Australia),

 

and I notice Russian AI planes flying seemingly unhindered by damage off line, and even at least one example of online (AI controlled), where the plane looked more like Swiss cheese than... well Swiss cheese,

 

the plane was bouncing around trying to maintain level flight, and yet I had to use 80%+ power so that it didn't catch up!!!

Granted it was a couple patches ago, I think it still rings true from my QMB experiences.

My 109 def experiences control problems when it has... "speed holes"...... in the wings.


From memory wing damage and increased drag is modeled, but I wonder (I can't remember) if the increase in force is modeled, like in situations where the leading edge has been damaged, if that causes extra stress on the wing etc.

Edited March 30, 2017 by novicebutdeadly