seafireliv Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) After having some trouble getting a nice flight in all the Russian planes, decided out of a fit of annoyance to give the FW 190 a test flight. Why not? Looked for radiator, water controls, mix... hmm. Seems automatic. Took off after a bumpy start. Knew she wasn`t a turner so headed for some height... She was nice and smooth and accelerated up really quick. Did some practise booming and zooming on some innocent houses. Wow, she`s nice. straight down, pulled up nice, popped on the throttle and straight up like a rocket, I barrel-rolled and actually found myself really enjoying this bird! In fact i was having more fun than with the P40, I16 and LA5- What heresy is This??? Edited March 23, 2017 by seafireliv
Gambit21 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah fun bird. German aircraft are good for me when I don't fly for a long time and I'm rusty, just get in, push the throttle forward and go. They take less brains to fly, but for me these days that's a good thing.
seafireliv Posted March 23, 2017 Author Posted March 23, 2017 Another thing is she doesn`t do that annoying nose wobble stuff... just smooth. 1
Gambit21 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 ...and by "less brains" I don't mean that as a dig to Lufties...you still have to ACM and that's the hard part. Just nice to concentrate on your ACM and not worry about mixture etc when you lave little stick time to keep 'in shape' with that stuff.
CUJO_1970 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Come to the dark side, we got automatics, big cannons and direct fuel injection 5
Original_Uwe Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Well, obviously I'm a fan. Since 2001 I've been flying the 109 and hated the 190, but with this model of it I see why galland wanted to drop the 109 entirely from production and focus on 190's and 262's.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Indeed, and while my preferred aircraft in IL-2 BoX still is the LagG3, and the one I actually pick the most is probably the P-40, mostly for making me sweat to fly and fight with it, truth is the Fw190 A-3 and A-5 are a charm to fly. The A-3 inherited the flight model changes operated along the update process which gave rise to the A-5, namely the modifications to the wing profile, and adjustments to CoL and other parameters. I look forward for the announced updates to the yaw-roll coupling and slpistream effect on the tail surfaces / sideforces... Also heard about possible updates to the prop physics, specially for the Axis fighters, which might turn their handling on ground even more close to real regarding being a process that requires some "technique"...
Feathered_IV Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 A commercial sim where people no longer whine into infinity about the Focke Wulf 190...??? This must surely be the end of days! 1
seafireliv Posted March 23, 2017 Author Posted March 23, 2017 Come to the dark side, we got automatics, big cannons and direct fuel injection 1
unreasonable Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 A commercial sim where people no longer whine into infinity about the Focke Wulf 190...??? This must surely be the end of days! The bar is still "wrong". But everyone is so stunned by a Fw190 that is not a brick that they have forgotten about that for now. Fortunately a different group of people are now whining about the P-40 all the time, perhaps with good reason, so the forum is still worth visiting if you enjoy blood-sports. 3
19//Moach Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Another thing is she doesn`t do that annoying nose wobble stuff... just smooth. aye, they fixed it here's hoping our beloved "Shittyhawk" will get a similar tune-up.... maybe whence upon cometh the rudder coupling fixes whichof prophecy foretold - and hopefully sooner, rather than later too, 'til then , she can be quite a bitch to keep out of that death-spin... takes a LOT of pedal pushing as it is now my legs hurt.... Edited March 23, 2017 by 19//Moach
Asgar Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) i'm starting to get a feeling that most people expect P40 N performance form the P40 E in game Edited March 23, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Asgar 1
Feathered_IV Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Fortunately a different group of people are now whining about the P-40 all the time Really? I hadn't seen it. Kittymoaners must have a bit more dignity than to drag it into every single topic. I hope they are doing it in broken English with the caps lock on though. I like a bit of continuity. 1
unreasonable Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 You are right in a way - the "Kittymoaners" (nice: more polite than Kittywhores) tend to hang out in the FM section while we all try to work out what exactly is wrong with the dang thing other than a general feeling of malaise and horribleness. As for the broken English and caps lock - most Kittymoaners seem to be yanks, so broken English is standard, while Moach seems to have broken his caps lock key as well....
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 ...and by "less brains" I don't mean that as a dig to Lufties...you still have to ACM and that's the hard part. Just nice to concentrate on your ACM and not worry about mixture etc when you lave little stick time to keep 'in shape' with that stuff. 1
No601_Swallow Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 You are right in a way - the "Kittymoaners" (nice: more polite than Kittywhores) ... Personally, I'm counting the days - nay, hours - until we can start Spit-whinging. 4
unreasonable Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Spit-whinging would surely only be for the RAAF .... the others are perhaps Lickspittles? Edited March 23, 2017 by unreasonable
Asgar Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Really? I hadn't seen it. Kittymoaners must have a bit more dignity than to drag it into every single topic. I hope they are doing it in broken English with the caps lock on though. I like a bit of continuity. i'm sure their English is still better than your French, German, Russian or Swedish 4
StG2_Manfred Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 aye, they fixed it here's hoping our beloved "Shittyhawk" will get a similar tune-up.... maybe whence upon cometh the rudder coupling fixes whichof prophecy foretold - and hopefully sooner, rather than later too, 'til then , she can be quite a bitch to keep out of that death-spin... takes a LOT of pedal pushing as it is now my legs hurt.... No, they didn't fix it. The 190 didn't have this wobble problem. She had other problems which were fixed. Though the 109s still are wobbling, why I'm waiting for the general rudder overhaul as well....
seafireliv Posted March 23, 2017 Author Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Personally, I have no idea how accurate the FW190 is; I just got used to it being a brick to fly. It`s now nice to fly...Is it realistic? If it`s realistic, great. But I dunno... it seems almost too good... Like a vertical flying spitfire. Hmmmm... Spitfire, looking forward to that one. p.s. Well at least now I have an Axis aircraft I can fly when on the servers! Edited March 23, 2017 by seafireliv
Scojo Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I've always found LW aircraft "nicer" to fly due to the simple fact that they all seem to have better power to weight ratios. And for 190s and the 202, the stability while strafing also makes them very pleasant to fly. The 190, both models, have definitely gotten me to jump over to the LW side more at least for ground attack. 1
Thad Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Come to the dark side, we got automatics, big cannons and direct fuel injection The force is strong in this one. 2
Guest deleted@30725 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 p.s. Well at least now I have an Axis aircraft I can fly when on the servers! What of the mc202. That can be quite an entertaining challenge. --- The only funny thing for me is that I got so used to the other fm that it took me a while to get out of the habits associated with how it used to be. I never really found the old one that terrible, but the new fm certainly makes it easier.
seafireliv Posted March 23, 2017 Author Posted March 23, 2017 What of the mc202. That can be quite an entertaining challenge. --- The only funny thing for me is that I got so used to the other fm that it took me a while to get out of the habits associated with how it used to be. I never really found the old one that terrible, but the new fm certainly makes it easier. I was considering it. I did fly it in the old IL2 and it was ok. Dunno what it`s like now, but sure I`ll give it a run at some point.
JAGER_Batz Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 No, they didn't fix it. The 190 didn't have this wobble problem. She had other problems which were fixed. Though the 109s still are wobbling, why I'm waiting for the general rudder overhaul as well.... Actually, the 109s wobbling too much.....
19//Moach Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Actually, the 109s wobbling too much..... to be fair - the G series wobbles very little, compared to the Fs... those are very adept of the jiggly-wigglies.... however, they are virtually immune to departure and almost spin-proof (one has to actively try to get it in a tumble) the Gustaf is a very convincing 109 - I like flying it quite a bit, it spins out when mishandled in a way that seems very correct, and all the expected "quirks" are generally very well balanced - with some noticeable corrections needed to overcome prop forces, axis couplings and whatnot, but none exaggerated enough to be a bigger concern than the enemy behind you (like the P40) the Friedrichs are something that feels like has come out of Crimson Skies - the Yaks seem much that way too... there are almost no "tendencies" - so much that it feels almost like a jet plane - there is the wobble, of course - but as far as the flight envelope goes, a pilot can all but ignore his stall speeds altogether and be perfectly fine, usually free of any consequences might be some sort of "generation" thing that makes for the rather bizarre difference in "styles" we get in the FM for each of the planes.... this is independent of red or blue - it appears far more closely related to the point in the game's development at which a plane was introduced some planes wobble, some lose control simply by looking at them wrong... others don't know or care what a stall is, and may or not wobble... it tells of a fleet that grew with the game, and ended up with lumps and kinks as modeling tried to approximate the historical handling around a changing feature set of the simulation core the result is the current motley medley of handling characteristics that, each of them individually correct, but with very little coherence across one another - often to some frustration in a multiplayer dogfight as far as I can tell, with the new "rudder fix" update comes the need to revise and readjust all the flight dynamics for all planes - due to how they were made to work "around" the lack of these features by parametric measures alone this could be the "one ring to bind them all" for our flight dynamics worries... a great equalizer of sorts - having all planes revised against one same state of the simulation of course it wouldn't make the game "balanced" - because there's no such thing in a realistic simulator... but at least we could maybe expect one plane not to grossly defy what another tells of the basic laws of aerodynamics Edited March 24, 2017 by 19//Moach
Original_Uwe Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 Agree to disagree. The only 109 that seems right is the E-7 and it is spot on for what you'd expect. The F and G somehow behave as if they are much lighter, more sensitive and quirky aircraft not the increasingly weighty and powerful interceptors they evolved into. So far the 190's and E-7 are really convincing, the 109F and G not so much. 1
JAGER_Batz Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 Agree to disagree. The only 109 that seems right is the E-7 and it is spot on for what you'd expect. The F and G somehow behave as if they are much lighter, more sensitive and quirky aircraft not the increasingly weighty and powerful interceptors they evolved into. So far the 190's and E-7 are really convincing, the 109F and G not so much. I agree with you, they even considered revising the 109s G and F, and making them more stable like E The F and G series continue to behave as if they were really lighter.
Blitzen Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Flew "normal" settings yesterday in my old horse the 190 ( actually the bain of my existance for the first year or so of the sim esp with the MSFFB stick) it was a dream as long I used it to boom & zoom. I find it just a ittle touchy trying to center the pip ( gunsight) during firing runs ( this may be something solvable in settings?) Actually the developers have been working on the FM for a while so the improvemants are very notiable & welcome.
seafireliv Posted March 25, 2017 Author Posted March 25, 2017 Flew "normal" settings yesterday in my old horse the 190 ( actually the bain of my existance for the first year or so of the sim esp with the MSFFB stick) it was a dream as long I used it to boom & zoom. I find it just a ittle touchy trying to center the pip ( gunsight) during firing runs ( this may be something solvable in settings?) Actually the developers have been working on the FM for a while so the improvemants are very notiable & welcome. The MSFFB feedback has also been improved, I noticed.
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