MoToad Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Is it there? I have read that it's supposed to have it and my mapping settings show it but while elevator trim works and shows percentage wise aileron doesn't. Work, that is, or show.
Finkeren Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Where have you read, that the 110 had adjustable aileron trim?
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Roll and yaw trim are for the weak. Flying without them is sloppy and slow a trimmed plane is always faster / more stable But yea 110 no aileron trims
=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 It makes me wonder if RL Bf 109 pilots had really jacked forearm muscles after the end of the war.
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Flying without them is sloppy and slow a trimmed plane is always faster / more stable But yea 110 no aileron trims Wrong. [flash=]
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) It makes me wonder if RL Bf 109 pilots had really jacked forearm muscles after the end of the war. Well, in the Third Reich Luftwaffe Pilots went through a lot of and constant physical training for strength. German Pilots were probably amongst the fittest ones out there. Especially Stuka and Fighter Pilots went through a lot of exercise for the upper Body. "Zäh wie Leder, Hart wie Kruppstahl und Schnell wie die Windhunde" was the attitude in all german Military Organizations. At no Point before or after was Public Health and Fitness of the general Public as high as in the Third Reich. They were jacked long before they ever set foot in any Aircraft, hence why many german Pilots didn't mind the Control Forces as much as many Allied ones did. Add to that the generally small Average Size (Around 165-170cm) of the average german Male and you have your Answer. I also don't get the whole Point of "Being Jacked". You can't really judge the Strength of people by looking at them. Many of the Strong Men today exercise not only for Strength but for looks as well. Big Abs and Biceps don't make you strong, well exercised Shoulders and Back do. And if you use mostly your own Body for Exercise your Muscles will actually shrink while maintaining the same ability to exert force. So in Conclusion, you won't get Jacked by normal Military Discipline and Training, and as a Pilot you wouldn't want to as well, as it would reduce your mobility inside the Cockpit. The German Pilots tended to be somewhat Srawny but I bet they would give you a pretty hard time Arm-Wrestling. Edited March 21, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
Asgar Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 also the fact, you don't counter the roll with roll input but with some light right rudder
Finkeren Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Many pilots complained, that the Bf 109 was extremely tiring to fly for long stretches because of the need of constant rudder input during level flight. 1
BOO Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Wrong. [flash=] ....what part of Shadows statement was wrong?
=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Well, in the Third Reich Luftwaffe Pilots went through a lot of and constant physical training for strength. German Pilots were probably amongst the fittest ones out there. Especially Stuka and Fighter Pilots went through a lot of exercise for the upper Body. "Zäh wie Leder, Hart wie Kruppstahl und Schnell wie die Windhunde" was the attitude in all german Military Organizations. At no Point before or after was Public Health and Fitness of the general Public as high as in the Third Reich. They were jacked long before they ever set foot in any Aircraft, hence why many german Pilots didn't mind the Control Forces as much as many Allied ones did. Add to that the generally small Average Size (Around 165-170cm) of the average german Male and you have your Answer. I also don't get the whole Point of "Being Jacked". You can't really judge the Strength of people by looking at them. Many of the Strong Men today exercise not only for Strength but for looks as well. Big Abs and Biceps don't make you strong, well exercised Shoulders and Back do. And if you use mostly your own Body for Exercise your Muscles will actually shrink while maintaining the same ability to exert force. So in Conclusion, you won't get Jacked by normal Military Discipline and Training, and as a Pilot you wouldn't want to as well, as it would reduce your mobility inside the Cockpit. The German Pilots tended to be somewhat Srawny but I bet they would give you a pretty hard time Arm-Wrestling. I appreciate the long narrative Klaus, but my question was rhetorical and in jest. Just having a little fun here! Sheesh....some of y'all get testy.
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 ....what part of Shadows statement was wrong?All of it. Roll and yaw trim are for the weak. 2
BlitzPig_EL Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 All of it. Roll and yaw trim are for the weak. Which is of course why all modern aircraft have full axis trim adjustments? Not having rudder or aileron trim is a vestige of very old design thinking, forward thinking designers all included it on their aircraft. But then, the Bf 109 was a really old design coming from 1934. Oh, wait... The Curtiss Hawk 75 dating from the same year has full trim on all axis...
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) As an I-16 Pilot I scoff at you Trim Knobs. Trim is for the Weak, the Strong use Force to keep the Aircraft straight. Edited March 21, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 As an I-16 Pilot I scoff at you Trim Knobs. Trim is for the Weak, the Strong use Force to keep the Aircraft straight.I like your thinking, brother!
Scojo Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 People are considered strong if they hold their digital flight sticks in front of their computer a little to the left or right? I'm finally strong and I didn't even have to lift any weights! :D
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Which is of course why all modern aircraft have full axis trim adjustments? Not having rudder or aileron trim is a vestige of very old design thinking, forward thinking designers all included it on their aircraft. But then, the Bf 109 was a really old design coming from 1934. Oh, wait... The Curtiss Hawk 75 dating from the same year has full trim on all axis... That's because modern pilots are weak. If we could go back to the days where planes had no trim, then we could make airplanes great again.
BOO Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) All of it. Roll and yaw trim are for the weak. [edited] That's because modern pilots are weak. If we could go back to the days where planes had no trim, then we could make airplanes great again. [edited] 7. Comments containing profanity, personal insults, accusations of cheating, excessive rudeness, vulgarity, drug propaganda, political and religious discussion and propaganda, all manifestations of Nazism and racist statements, calls to overthrow governments by force, inciting ethnic hatred, humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation or religion are not allowed and will result in a ban. Edited March 21, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) [edited] Woah there, friend. I'll gladly welcome you into the trimless brotherhood if you so desire. Edited March 21, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Scojo Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Looks like the Sarcasm-12 high altitude fighter just flew right over that 4./JG52
BOO Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) It appears it did - and more so - with all the humble aploogies -the last comment from milo had me laughing out loud hmmmm [edited]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BOO big style!! Edited March 21, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin 1
BOO Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 All edits accepted - apologies made in public and by PM but.....er.......I cant call myself an idiot....even when I have been? 1
Y29.Layin_Scunion Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) hence why many german Pilots didn't mind the Control Forces as much as many Allied ones did. Is that why out of all the books I've read by 109 pilots, they all complained and whined about the constant input needed to keep the aircraft straight? I mean....come on dude. [edited] Edited March 22, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin lenguage
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Flying a plane without Trims does not make your more of a man or betterDriving a car without manual steering and no power assist does not make you a man or better.Intentionally flying a plane without trims just so people think you are tougher makes you a chump and a blockhead.the simple fact a Trimmed plane is Always faster than a untrimmed plane
unreasonable Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 They were jacked long before they ever set foot in any Aircraft, hence why many german Pilots didn't mind the Control Forces as much as many Allied ones did. Add to that the generally small Average Size (Around 165-170cm) of the average german Male and you have your Answer. "Jacked?" Stoned more likely. But did not mind the control forces as much as the Allied pilots because German methamphetamine is superior technology to Allied amphetamine.
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) "Jacked?" Stoned more likely. But did not mind the control forces as much as the Allied pilots because German methamphetamine is superior technology to Allied amphetamine. I was actually surprised how little Pervitin was actually produced and sent out. A total 35 Million Pills is like a Drop on a Hot Stone for a 6 year war and a Force of almost 20 Million Men. It wasn't really all that common at all. My Mother's Brother in Law's Father actually worked for Temmler into the Seventies and they continued producing it almost into the 90s and just last year they lost the Rights to the Name Pervitin. In WWII they could barely supply 1% of the german Troops with that stuff. My Uncle worked for Bayer and Henkel as a Chemist and Partook in the Invention of the Cold-Wash-Formula. And all of these produce some "illegal" Drug or another even today. They just change the Label. Sold in America and World Wide. Good for curing a "cough" in Children. Edited March 22, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann 1
unreasonable Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 "Watch out Canadians" I currently have a chesty cough, am (a little) overweight, and having problems with both sleeping and staying awake. Clearly the WOD is to blame. I need my gf to put some opium on her nipples. I hear toothpaste is also good.... That "20 million men" number is a little misleading. 18 million served in the Wehrmacht in WW2, but more importantly the vast majority of soldiers in all armies - including the German - were in transport and logistics, medical, engineering and reserve units of one kind or another. Compared to the number of drivers, pilots, tankers and so on 35 million is a lot. Which was the pre-war order I understand - not necessarily the same as total war time production, which I cannot find after my cursory efforts. But I agree with your general point that usage cannot have been everyone all the time. I have not read Ohler's book yet, have you? Reviews in English press were rather mixed.
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 As far as I know 1941 was really the last year Pervitin was used for Regular Troops. The Adverse Effects were just too severe. And consider that a Soldier would take several Pills a Day, 2-3 was normal after they built up even a slight Tolerance. 1 Million Marching and Fighting Men would burn through that in 10-15 Days, so just think how little it must have been used. Just Consider that Several Billion Rounds of 8x57 were produced and there still were Shortages. Pervitin Production was severly reduced by Bombings and also Ordered to be drastically Reduced in Favour of Pain Killers and Disinfectants by the end of 1940.
BlitzPig_EL Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 I think milopugdog is pretty good at winding up the trim wheels...
MoToad Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 Where have you read, that the 110 had adjustable aileron trim? When reserching. Just someone else saying so. Had my doubts.
MoToad Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 And WOW. You people have inspired me. Now let me think, what other topic can I post to get you all started? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
DD_Arthur Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 And WOW. You people have inspired me. Now let me think, what other topic can I post to get you all started? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... Lol. Just about anything seems to work!
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