News of our Beloved Spitfire?

[ShamrockOneFive]

ANNYYwayyyy, just a quick query, has anyone managed to tell which engine we are getting via the screenshots of the Spit? I seem to remember asking Jason which one are getting when it was announced and he said the Merlin 46 but I can't be 100% sure of my memory     I think it would be pretty cool to get both engines, it would give the spit more usability?? Merlin 45 for low altitude missions where you get more power and then Merlin 46 for higher altitude missions. Only if its not too much work though   How many Kuban Spits had Merlin 45 & Merlin 46 engines out of interest? 

 

I've been trying to find references to how many were Merlin 45 and Merlin 46 but I haven't found anything so far. I understand that more were Merlin 46 than 45 and that there are no visual differences between the two engines. It's all internal changes.

 

TBH The Spit is a weird choice. The Actual La-5F or my beloved La-5FN would have been a much better choice IMO 

 

I don't think its a weird choice. I would have made the same decision for a number of reasons. On the premise that some customers buy based on aircraft over all other choices, adding a legandary aircraft like the Spitfire is a welcome one. Collector Planes have traditionally been slightly off the beaten path choices as well. The La-5 Series 8 was around for the Stalingrad battle but not really a big part of it (I could make the argument that the Yak-7B should have come to the series there) but adding it provided some aircraft diversity. That's what is happening here.

 

I'm still holding out hope for the La-5F.

[dburne]

TBH The Spit is a weird choice. The Actual La-5F or my beloved La-5FN would have been a much better choice IMO 

 

Now that is just blasphemy!

 

[Feathered_IV]

Even my mum knows what a Spitfire is.  She would probably think the LA5 is some effete Californian boy band.

[unreasonable]

Indeed. A WW2 CFS without a Spitfire is like a meal without wine, or a woman without breasts. Functional, perhaps, but sadly incomplete.

[HBPencil]

It seems some are a bit confused about the different types of Merlins used. Both the 45 and 46 were meant for use at altitude, so it's important not to confuse the 45 with the 45M, which was the low altitude version of the 45.
 

Yes. watch the wing from fixed camera position using alt f2 and forward time

Cool, thanks for that, it'll be interesting to see what effect it has on the mg accuracy.

[JG5_Zesphr]

I'm probably just gonna wait until the pacific stuff for the Seafire III. It will be far more effective there as long as the landings go alright 

[ShamrockOneFive]

It seems some are a bit confused about the different types of Merlins used. Both the 45 and 46 were meant for use at altitude, so it's important not to confuse the 45 with the 45M, which was the low altitude version of the 45.

 

Cool, thanks for that, it'll be interesting to see what effect it has on the mg accuracy.

 

You're right. As I understand the Merlin 45 develops maximum power at 11,500 feet and the Merlin 46 at 14,000 feet so the curves are a bit different... short handedly the Merlin 45 is more low altitude oriented than the Merlin 46 is. Nothing compared to the maximum power at 2,750 feet for the Merlin 45M

Edited March 20, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[Finkeren]

TBH The Spit is a weird choice. The Actual La-5F or my beloved La-5FN would have been a much better choice IMO

La-5FN is one of my all-time favourite aircraft, but for BoK the Spit makes pretty good sense, since it saw a fair bit of action there, where as the La-5FN would really only be relevant for the last few months of the BoK time frame.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Copy/paste from another thread:

 

I am hoping the Spit V comes in with whatever the maximum reasonable performance can be expected and it can hold its own in experienced hands. It is among the most iconic aircraft in the west, despite its low appeal in the east, and stands to draw in new customers IF IT REVIEWS WELL. An all western themed planeset/server has real potential, even if the map below is an eastern one. Spits V 109's has a certain familiar sound about it.......

[unreasonable]

Real potential indeed. The skinners can get to work - there are already plenty of Channel Front 109 skins out there, no reason why we should not have a good range of UK-Commonwealth Spitfire skins too.

 

The Kuban map pictures we have seen so far look like Brittany or Devon/Cornwall as well, (if you squint a bit quite a lot ) so we could easily have some cross Channel raid scenarios......

[BlitzPig_EL]

Also with a bit of squinting it could be CBI so when the IJN planes arrive a CBI "map" could be done with the Spit, P40E and whatever IJN planes we get, though IJA would be more appropriate.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't really care which was more numerous between the Merlin 45 or 46. I'm fine fighting against either. Getting guys INTO it is vital - especially after choosing some of the lowest performance figures for the P-40. The Mk V will not be a game changer but they should model the highest performance Spit V they can. Reviews and therefore SALES may very well depend on it. In that regard it could be at least a paradigm shift for those in the West.

[Finkeren]

I'm not sure I agree with that line of reasoning HerrMurf.

 

Try to imagine, if someone had made calls for the MiG-3 to be modelled with the AM-38 engine, so that it would perform better, get better reviews and more people would fly it. LW pilot's heads would've been exploding all over the forums and cries of "dev's bias" would be everywhere (and in this case it would actually be justified)

 

Numbers do matter, at least to an extent.

[Guest deleted@30725]

I'm with Finkeren on this.

 

It's a premium anyway and I would bet more people outside of the forum will be buying standard over the premium version of bok. The premiums have always been placed as alternatives to the 'easier' standard planes with each version. You're not suddenly better than the people who paid less for the standard plane set.

 

The spitfire will add a different flavor to air combat and it will be far from an easy win. I wouldn't mind flying it based on my experience with other planes produced in this game, but at the same time if my wallet can't justify it I'm not going to be too out of sorts.

 

I'm dreading the DCS spit, VS BOK spit debates that are going to be so boring though!

 

Lets hope it never comes to that.

Edited March 20, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Wulf]

Well, I don't know.  I think it would be really interesting if the Spit came in two versions.  A low level 'clipped and cropped' with a merlin 45m and a medium/high with full-sized 'impellered' standard 45 or 46. 

 

I think that would be broadly appealing. 

[Max_Damage]

I think it will have ~ 470 kmh continious speed at 0m and ~500 kmh speed at Emergency power with a ~3-5 minutes limit for full power. This is going to be really slow.

I suspect ~17 seconds sustained turn at 0m.

Double guns are bad. You can hit with only one of them at a time anyway and there is like 40 ammo for each of them.

 

Between this and a lagg i might as well use the lagg because 23 mm is useful in group fights and it does a lot of damage. I think itll be a lot worse then the first yak.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Max_Damage

[AndyJWest]

Well, I don't know.  I think it would be really interesting if the Spit came in two versions.  A low level 'clipped and cropped' with a merlin 45m and a medium/high with full-sized 'impellered' standard 45 or 46. 

 

I think that would be broadly appealing. 

 

Did the Soviets ever use clipped-wing Spits?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't want any numbers fudged. I want the best of the two available in theater/in timeframe. That is all. There is no bias in that. And this from a dedicated Luftie.

Edited March 20, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Finkeren]

Did the Soviets ever use clipped-wing Spits?

That's not what he means by "clipped and cropped".

I don't want any numbers fudged. I want the best of the two available in theater/in timeframe. That is all. There is no bias in that. And this from a dedicated Luftie.

Noone is talking about fudging numbers, but as a general rule, we should aim for an aircraft to be representative of the type, as it flew within the timeframe given, and evidently, the Merlin 46 as far more representative of Soviet Spit Mk. Vs than the 45.

[Wulf]

Did the Soviets ever use clipped-wing Spits?

 

 

All the images I've found of clipped wing Spits, in Soviet livery, have been Mk IXs.  So I just don't know about the Mk V sitch. 

Edited March 21, 2017 by Wulf

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Spitfire...Pfffffffffff!!

 

I am going to be part of the Hs 129 master race, dominating the battlefield with my supreme individual efforts and massive horsepower of my 2 exhilarating Gnome-Rhone 14cyl engines, gnashing out an incredible 700hp each! I will bring forth a new level of annihilation never before seen on the BoX battlefield! Fair warning...Russian staff cars should be afraid...be VERY AFRAID!! Muhuhahahaha!! :lol:

 

Hs 129 FTW!!!!!!!!

 

(Or in reality, I will probably need a train ride back to my airfield after every mission, but perhaps they will serve schnapps in the bar car.)

[ShamrockOneFive]

That's not what he means by "clipped and cropped".

 

Noone is talking about fudging numbers, but as a general rule, we should aim for an aircraft to be representative of the type, as it flew within the timeframe given, and evidently, the Merlin 46 as far more representative of Soviet Spit Mk. Vs than the 45.

 

Agreed... But if they do decide that they have a little extra time to throw in an engine variation then I wouldn't say no to having both as both are historical choices.

 

I want a Spitfire V that is well modeled and representative of the type and performance that fought in the battle generally ignoring temperamental serviceability issues. In other words... a Kuban Spitfire on a good day!

[Bombzey]

Does anyone know what the graphics settings are for this shot of the Kuban Spitfire?

 

Is it a actual screenshot or has it been tweaked/photoshopped? or is it what's to come from the developing Kuban engine?  

 

https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2017/03/18/6713/

 

Bombzey

[Finkeren]

Does anyone know what the graphics settings are for this shot of the Kuban Spitfire?

 

Is it a actual screenshot or has it been tweaked/photoshopped? or is it what's to come from the developing Kuban engine?

 

https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2017/03/18/6713/

 

Bombzey

Those were the shots posted in the latest DD. They are perfectly in line with how plane models look in the sim right now. It's not even a 4K skin, which will be looking much better once the community skinners get to work.

[Bombzey]

Those were the shots posted in the latest DD. They are perfectly in line with how plane models look in the sim right now. It's not even a 4K skin, which will be looking much better once the community skinners get to work.

 

 Now I'm gonna have to dry my pants !!!!!

[Bullets]

I think it will have ~ 470 kmh continious speed at 0m and ~500 kmh speed at Emergency power with a ~3-5 minutes limit for full power. This is going to be really slow.

I suspect ~17 seconds sustained turn at 0m.

Double guns are bad. You can hit with only one of them at a time anyway and there is like 40 ammo for each of them.

 

Between this and a lagg i might as well use the lagg because 23 mm is useful in group fights and it does a lot of damage. I think itll be a lot worse then the first yak.

 

I am sorry but those speed suggestions are a bit off.   Did you pluck those numbers out of thin air ahha ?   I just did a quick google and found that a Mk Vb manages to do 371MPH (597KPH) at 20,000 feet In summer! (So if anything I would expect it to be even faster in our snowy sim 

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-V.html 

 

Edit: I would expect it to hit at least 500 on the deck? 

Edited March 21, 2017 by Bullets

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I am sorry but those speed suggestions are a bit off.   Did you pluck those numbers out of thin air ahha ?   I just did a quick google and found that a Mk Vb manages to do 371MPH (597KPH) at 20,000 feet In summer! (So if anything I would expect it to be even faster in our snowy sim 

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-V.html 

 

Edit: I would expect it to hit at least 500 on the deck? 

Yes, with 16lbs Boost 500 on the Ground and around 600 at Altitude are achievable. But that isn't contnuous. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Fink, you guys get the best Yak 1, in theater, with the 1b. I dont see why hoping for the best Mk V in theater should be out of line.

[seafireliv]

I`ll admit I`m looking forward to the Spit. Can`t deny it.

[Scojo]

Fink, you guys get the best Yak 1, in theater, with the 1b. I dont see why hoping for the best Mk V in theater should be out of line.

To be fair though, Multiplayer-wise, I rarely see many of them available at all while LW always has plenty of their best performing 109s available.

 

But on topic, if both Spits were used by Russia, I would prefer the "better" one for sure.

[Zippy-do-dar]

One my favourite spitfire clips (WARNING CONTAINS SWEARING NOT SAFE FOR WORK)

https://youtu.be/4iOoiEbtf2w

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't even have to open the video to know which one it is. It's a top ten video regardless of topic!

[Max_Damage]

I am sorry but those speed suggestions are a bit off.   Did you pluck those numbers out of thin air ahha ?   I just did a quick google and found that a Mk Vb manages to do 371MPH (597KPH) at 20,000 feet In summer! (So if anything I would expect it to be even faster in our snowy sim 

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-V.html 

 

Edit: I would expect it to hit at least 500 on the deck? 

20 000 ft is ~ 7km. It is very slightly diffirent from deck level .

 

Its going to do 500 kmh at deck... for maybe 4 minutes hehe. The first yak will do 500+ continiously and so will the lagg.

 

And realistically the spit will be fying ~480 kmh at deck. On continious or combat.

Edited March 21, 2017 by Max_Damage

[Guest deleted@30725]

One my favourite spitfire clips (WARNING CONTAINS SWEARING NOT SAFE FOR WORK)

https://youtu.be/4iOoiEbtf2w

 

Now that flying took serious skill - Amazing pilot.

[ShamrockOneFive]

To be fair though, Multiplayer-wise, I rarely see many of them available at all while LW always has plenty of their best performing 109s available.

 

But on topic, if both Spits were used by Russia, I would prefer the "better" one for sure.

 

Technically the Series 127 is more of a Kuban timeline aircraft than Stalingrad so servers have added it but probably the reason why they are keeping it limited.

 

Kuban scenarios I expect it to be fully available and it'll fit in extremely well with the other types of that time period.

[Bullets]

20 000 ft is ~ 7km. It is very slightly diffirent from deck level .

 

Its going to do 500 kmh at deck... for maybe 4 minutes hehe. The first yak will do 500+ continiously and so will the lagg.

 

And realistically the spit will be fying ~480 kmh at deck. On continious or combat.

 

You got proof for your remarks?   EDIT: Apologies I did not realise that speed variance at altitude was so large, I also wasn't thinking about the difference between IAS and Ground speed  

Edited March 22, 2017 by Bullets

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

You got proof for your remarks? I am starting to think you are just trolling.. I struggle to see how its going to dump almost 100kph just because its lower altitude when our other planes speeds vary no where near that much...?? 

Wut?

109F and G both do around the 650 Mark at 6k and around 530 at Sea Level

190s are between 670 at 4.5k and 560 at Sea Level

109E and P-40E does 475 on the Ground and 585 at 6k 

LaGG and Yak-1 both do around 505 at SL and 580 at 4.5k

La-5 does 509 or 545 at SL and 600 at around 6k

 

All Aircraft vary wildy through Altitude. The Spitfire will be on the mild side. 

[HagarTheHorrible]

I have an expectation that the Spit won't be as good as some might hope, but given on-line style of play it might suit many people better. I myself am past worrying and will not get to hung up on either way maybe because VR has a habit of focusing more of my attention on the aircraft and flying it rather than actual combat competitiveness.

 

For me though the first thing that will interest me will be ground handling, take-off and landing characteristics and 777's take on it.  A recently released Spit by another company    can be a real challenge in these areas and requires a good deal of practice to perfect (it has been toned down a bit). The 109, by the same company, on the other hand, at least for me is a lot easier, especially landing despite far less time spent flying, concern for the numbers or practice.  Pilot accounts both historical and contemporary tend to suggest it should be the opposite.  Despite it's narrow track undercarriage and non locking tailwheel it seems the Spit was surprisingly good, providing care was taken with applying to much brake.  

Edited March 22, 2017 by HagarTheHorrible

[Bullets]

As long as it outperforms the lagg in every way (apart from diving) like I read in this report here : http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/    I will be happy   I'm not expecting an Uber Yak but I'm wanting something usable unlike the P40 

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It's not all that hard to outperform LaGG you know ... and besides, I like flying LaGG. It's a great aircraft.