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Bullets

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I noticed in DD150 it was mentioned that the FM is being developed for the Spit  :happy: 

Seeing as the last time we saw anything about it was the 29th of December I was wondering if we could have a few new cheeky screenies of it?  :biggrin:

 

I also can't seem to find projected time frame for Kuban aircraft releases so if someone could inform me that would be awesome! 

Thanks  :salute:

 

 

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No601_Swallow

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Was about to ask the same question myself! And thanks for the wee Spitfire-porn taster there. Off to take a brisk cold shower...

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Bullets

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Hmmm yeah it does seem development is a month "ahead" looking at that timeline! May rather than June sounds much better to me hehe  :happy:  :rolleyes:

dburne

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I am really looking forward to the Spit in this sim!

Bullets

Bullets

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I am really looking forward to the Spit in this sim!

 

Same to be honest, as long as it doesn't turn out like flying bathtub, I expect it will become my go to aircraft!  :biggrin:

Bullets

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I read somewhere it should be similar in performance to the Yak1 (Which I would certainly be happy about), I am expecting it to be as good as the Yak 1 or maybe even better and deffo better than the Yak, but I admit I know nothing about historical stats  :wacko: I am just dreaming here  :happy:

Y29.Layin_Scunion

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Being a Mk V....I don't expect it to be anything spectacular when compared to the 190 A-5.

 

Still looking forward to it regardless.

BlitzPig_EL

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The F4, G2 and 4, and the 190s will seal club the poor Spit.

 

Hate to say it, but that's what will happen.

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HBPencil

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I too am looking forward to the Spit Vb, although I'm not expecting much in the way of raw performance. Granted, I don't know jack about the Soviet fighters but I believe they'll have better low and medium altitude performance than the Vb as that's were their engines give their best, as opposed to the Merlin 45/46 giving their best higher up. The 109F/G and 190 will certainly have the performance advantage but I feel that the term "seal club" is a bit excessive when describing their advantages over the Spit.
Having said that, I'm hoping for that Spit to be a pleasant, confidence inspiring aircraft to fly (like the Yak) although I'm not sure how the Spit's sensitive controls will translate to a simple joystick like my Extreme 3D Pro.

II/JG17_HerrMurf

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If it's on par, performance wise, to the 1b it will get me over to the Allied side on occasion.

ShamrockOneFive

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Not that its the best indicator for this sim but if they are at all close to the IL-2: 1946 analogs then it should be an interesting comparison to make RE: Spitfire Vb vs Yak-1B.

 

Assuming that the Spitfire Vb is the Merlin 46 version then it should be 30-40kph slower at sea level than the Yak-1B but 20-40kph faster at all altitudes above 5000 meters. Turn time favours the Spitfire by a couple of seconds and the climb rate is slightly better for the Spitfire as well. I'm guessing that other attributes like the slower roll rate on the Spitfire may also factor into things. Also curious if we may still get a Merlin 45 version seeing as they have done a second engine setup on the La-5 and FW190A-5. I know Jason said they wouldn't have time to do a ton but maybe they will here. Certainly would make for an interesting decision to decide for low or high altitude operations.

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=IL2AU=ToknMurican

=IL2AU=ToknMurican

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Not that its the best indicator for this sim but if they are at all close to the IL-2: 1946 analogs then it should be an interesting comparison to make RE: Spitfire Vb vs Yak-1B.

 

Assuming that the Spitfire Vb is the Merlin 46 version then it should be 30-40kph slower at sea level than the Yak-1B but 20-40kph faster at all altitudes above 5000 meters. Turn time favours the Spitfire by a couple of seconds and the climb rate is slightly better for the Spitfire as well. I'm guessing that other attributes like the slower roll rate on the Spitfire may also factor into things. Also curious if we may still get a Merlin 45 version seeing as they have done a second engine setup on the La-5 and FW190A-5. I know Jason said they wouldn't have time to do a ton but maybe they will here. Certainly would make for an interesting decision to decide for low or high altitude operations.

 

According to the link I posted in my above response - http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3134.html, showing the specs of the Spit Mk Vb - the season of the map should matter.

 

There was a snowguard that could be fitted for winter weather that lowered the altitude for top speed from TAS 371mph @ 20100 feet, to TAS 365 @ 18,800 feet, at which point the top speed would begin to drop again.  Indicating peak performance was beween 18-23k feet during summer, and 18,800-20000 feet in the winter.  This is with the Merlin XLV or the Merlin 45. 

 

According to wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(early_Merlin-powered_variants)#Mk_VB_and_VB.28trop.29_.28Type_349_and_352.29

 

" Several different versions of the Merlin 45/50 family were used, including the Merlin 45M which had a smaller "cropped" supercharger impeller and boost increased to +18 lb. This engine produced 1,585 hp (1,182 kW) at 2,750 ft (838 m), increasing the L.F VB's maximum rate of climb to 4720 ft/min (21.6 m/s) at 2,000 ft (610 m)" 

 

I think it's going to be interesting how this plane plays out.  As in whether or not we'll see the drop in top speed with the snowguard in winter, what engine we get by default, whether any of the Merlin 45-50's will also be a mod. 

 

But I shall not speculate.  These performance charts don't qualify me to critique FM's.. especially ones that aren't released yet >.< 

ShamrockOneFive

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Definitely interesting.

 

I don't think the snowguard will come into play for Kuban because the announced seasons are spring, summer and fall. Also the Spitfire Vb's delivered to the Russian forces and then used in the Kuban battle were mostly Merlin 46 powered but a few were also Merlin 45. If we go majority only then it will be Merlin 46 exclusively.

Bullets

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Would be nice if we could get both engines (One as loadout) like with the LA5 even if it meant waiting a bit longer, seems reasonable seeing as development is ahead of the timeline  :huh:  :happy:

Lusekofte

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Do not antisipate this one to strengthen red side at all. Some will have success with it, but they would have in any other fighter too. I hope the p 39 will make a similar success as it did historically. But I doubt it, some things are hard to simulate. I think the real reinforcement to red side will be A20, it will make more bomberpilots

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TP_Silk

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The only problem with that arguement is that each special interest group for each aircraft could theoretically use it and we would end up massively extending development time.

 

By which I mean that if you do it for the Spit, then the P-39 lovers will find something similar that they want 'because we are ahead of schedule' and so on...........

A_radek

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Do not antisipate this one to strengthen red side at all. Some will have success with it, but they would have in any other fighter too. I hope the p 39 will make a similar success as it did historically. But I doubt it, some things are hard to simulate. I think the real reinforcement to red side will be A20, it will make more bomberpilots

I think the p39 will be a gamechanger. Not performance wise even when stripped of wing guns. But I'm expecting a lot of opinions from current luftwafle only jockeys about damage model once those 37mm cannons are flying around online.

6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

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The Spitfire will compare rather favourably compared to the '42 Russian Fighters

 

-Firepower within Convergence Range will be very good, LaGG-3 with 23mm Level good. 

-Speed will be Slap-Bang in the Middle of the Field, pretty much exactly on Yak-1 Level Low, Yak-1b Level at Altitude. It won't be brilliant, but not bad either

-Same for the Climb

-Armored Glass in the Front, 'nuff said

-Range and Endurance will be quite good, better than the Russian Designs

-Manouverability will be hampered by MGs sitting in the Wing Tips, so no high Expectations for Rate of Roll. 

-Spins and Stalls will be easy to predict, but also quite nasty with a tendency to Flatspin, especially with the Rear Fuel Tank filled. 

-Survivability will be quite Good with Normal Armor Protection, Offset Radiator and Strong Wingspar. (Fuselage Hits won't damage Water or Oil Radiators)

 

That is a lot of Spar to try and destroy:

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Bullets

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Thanks Klaus  :salute:

6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

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With the 50Ms Cropped Supercharger and Clipped Tips it still wasn't a Wonderweapon. It was just about on par with 109F and G, slower than 190 still. Rate of Climb was impressive though, definetly superior to 190 and equal to 109. 

Now, the Test was done with normal Wingtips. so I would expect almost 540 on the Ground for Clipped Tips, to the slightly above 530 with the normal ones on the Ground. 

21.5 m/s Climb is very good as well. 

 

Just a line from one of the Tests though: "The only difference between a Merlin 45 and 50 is the fitting of a "negative g" carburettor and a fuel de-aerator on the latter engine, and these are unlikely to have a marked effect on performance. Comparison is therefore made with the results obtained on a Spitfire V with a Merlin 45 engine fitted."

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Cybermat47

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The F4, G2 and 4, and the 190s will seal club the poor Spit.

 

Hate to say it, but that's what will happen.

Most likely.

 

On the plus side, we get to fly a Spitfire :biggrin:

 

I wouldn't want to be flying a He-111 when Spits, Yak-7s, and P-39s start attacking!

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ShamrockOneFive

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Do not antisipate this one to strengthen red side at all. Some will have success with it, but they would have in any other fighter too. I hope the p 39 will make a similar success as it did historically. But I doubt it, some things are hard to simulate. I think the real reinforcement to red side will be A20, it will make more bomberpilots

 

I'm not expecting the Spitfire or the P-39 to really make a "difference" in terms of capabilities on the Red team vs Blue team. But they both bring interesting features to the table and will be tons of fun to fly.

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=362nd_FS=Hiromachi

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-Manouverability will be hampered by MGs sitting in the Wing Tips, so no high Expectations for Rate of Roll. 

Meh, I'd argue about that. Those two .303 Brownings per wing with what ... 300 rounds per gun or so (?) would not add that much weight to affect the roll rate. I find them useless and impractical in terms of their positioning (so far from center of the plane that firing outside of convergence will be wasting a lot of ammo) but not a concern for maneuverability.

HBPencil

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-Manouverability will be hampered by MGs sitting in the Wing Tips, so no high Expectations for Rate of Roll.

May I ask your source for that claim? I don't recall seeing any test reports myself that state or suggest that was the case, e.g. that the IXc rolled slower than the IXe.

 

As an aside, does this game model flexing/twisting of the wing? I ask as that was something that did affect the accuracy of the outer mgs during tight turns.

 

 

-Spins and Stalls will be easy to predict, but also quite nasty with a tendency to Flatspin, especially with the Rear Fuel Tank filled.
No rear fuel tank on any Spitfire fighters until quite late in the war, long after the V had been withdrawn from front line service. Also, the Spitfire's spin behaviour wasn't nasty nor did it have any tendency to flat spin.
 
Cheers,

 

HB

 

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Finkeren

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Yeah it looks nice enough. If the Spit wasn't such a fugly aircraft, it'd be a work of art.

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BlitzPig_EL

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Spit ugly?

 

Fink, you need to get your eyes checked.

 

The Supermarine Spitfire is one of the most beautiful aircraft, of any kind, ever.

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II/JG17_HerrMurf

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Fink, I think you just hate Western AC. I've never been much of a Spit jockey unless I was limited to it server-side but even I have to admit it is one of the most beautiful AC ever constructed.

Tuesday

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The F4, G2 and 4, and the 190s will seal club the poor Spit.

 

Hate to say it, but that's what will happen.

 

Depends on the driver.

 

If an I-16 can chase off 190s, F4s, and G models, then I have no reason to doubt a Spitfire will too...

 

I can't wait to shoot at the cocky 109 pilots who think they're cheeky with the frequent "can't wait to see it on fire" comments! :P

Bullets

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Yeah it looks nice enough. If the Spit wasn't such a fugly aircraft, it'd be a work of art.

 

I shake my fist angrily at you sir.  :dry:

Gambit21

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I have to admit it is one of the most beautiful AC ever constructed.

Somewhere behind the Tempest, Seafire and Zeke for me...but yep.

=IL2AU=ToknMurican

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Definitely interesting.

 

I don't think the snowguard will come into play for Kuban because the announced seasons are spring, summer and fall. Also the Spitfire Vb's delivered to the Russian forces and then used in the Kuban battle were mostly Merlin 46 powered but a few were also Merlin 45. If we go majority only then it will be Merlin 46 exclusively.

I'm sure we'll see certain servers that allow you to spawn in a spit on a winter map.   Not all action happens in single player. :) 

JAGER_Batz

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Fink, I think you just hate Western AC. I've never been much of a Spit jockey unless I was limited to it server-side but even I have to admit it is one of the most beautiful AC ever constructed.

 

I have to agree with you, spit is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built, the ellipse of the wings, beautiful aircraft....

 

Who flew spit on DCS knows this

Finkeren

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You guys are way too easy to troll. :lol:

 

Of course the Spitfire is beautiful, everyone agrees about that. It's not the prettiest of them all (that spot obviously goes to the MiG-3 - duh!) but it's up there.

 

Now, the P-51 on the other hand....

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Wulf

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The F4, G2 and 4, and the 190s will seal club the poor Spit.

 

Hate to say it, but that's what will happen.

 

 

I'd be a bit surprised if that were the case.  I suspect it will do just fine against the contemporary 109s and it will provide a really interesting match-up against the A-3.

 

The A-5 would obviously out run the Spit but the latter will probably be more maneuverable.  The 'in-game' A-5 is no dog fighter that's for sure.

Dakpilot

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I'd be a bit surprised if that were the case. I suspect it will do just fine against the contemporary 109s and it will provide a really interesting match-up against the A-3.

 

The A-5 would obviously out run the Spit but the latter will probably be more maneuverable.  The 'in-game' A-5 is no dog fighter that's for sure.

 

But you have spent years explaining that FW-190's seal clubbed Spit Mk V's over France and the Channel in 41/42

 

what has changed  :biggrin:

 

 

Still looking forward to the Mk V though, even in a mid 43 environment in certain (maybe rare?)  instances it should be able to hold its own, 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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